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Kamen Rider: The Next
« Thread Started on May 8, 2008, 3:55am »

The torrent has been out of TV Nihon for a couple of days, offering two versions. One is the Full DVD version and other is a fan version that consists of the extended version with the deleted scenes and footage with some re-arrangement of the scenes.

I don't want to ruin it for anyone, so please don't read or participate until you've seen it.

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1 The First was way, way, way better than this.
2. The action was bland and the timing was very slow. Martial Arts was choreographed very well, about on par with the first movie. It is the "saving grace" of this movie. Story, there really was no story.
3) Characters are bland and out of character, Hongo has become this uber dork, dumba$$ that teaches High School. He gets punk'd way too much by the baddies and mostly everyone else. I really kinda got sick of Hongo playing this pseudo homo affections to Ichimonji.
4) They totally with no respect to the old origin changed V3's origin.
5) They used Drake from Kamen Rider Kabuto as the V3 actor, he's a little on the pretty boy with a hint of homo side. Maybe it was because he played a MUA in Kabuto...
6) Overall not very exciting, I can't believe I anticipated great things from this movie. 2 out 5 with much riding on the martial arts and the 3 riders being present. Otherwise there's nothing really there.

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Re: Kamen Rider: The Next
« Reply #1 on May 10, 2008, 11:58am »

I wanted to thank you for putting a big enough picture to act as spoiler-space but to have mentioned #TV-Nihon up top so that I clued in on where to get it!

Well, I won't comment on the over-acting and "timed drama" that is staple to the tokusatsu style. But I will mention a few oddities I that threw me for a loop... what happened to Hongo's mask? Its eyes turned red. Other than that there were a few major plot holes. I'm not talking about the elder teacher's attitudes (from what I'm told, Japanese school teachers are in a tough spot and generally are forced to "ignore the problem kids"). But I'm really talking about the police in general. Several points in the story hinge on the idea that Shocker is up to no good and it always involved major operations (like when they recruited V3 from his IT company): such incidents killed a hundred bystanders at a time! And the movie is telling me "nobody knows?" When Chiharu's vengeance killed and bystanders saw it, the police are uninvolved. Hongo just brought Kikuma home and left that fan-club guy lying in a puddle of his own gore?

Anyway, to me the movie did some things right and dropped ball elsewhere. The First bothered me in that while the story was tight, the pacing wasn't - they'd flip flop between Hongo's tale and with the 2 kids (the ones who are later revealed to have become Shocker operatives). In this one, V3 gets introduced and you sort of understand that his company vice-president (or whatever role she served at the company) became that female chain-saw-wielding operative... but you don't know anything about her. In fact a lot of the characters are simple plot devices and discarded later on. I think that imbalance is what struck me the most.

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Re: Kamen Rider: The Next
« Reply #2 on May 10, 2008, 12:29pm »

I actually like that about The First, it created a bit of a mystery. They attempted that with The Next, though apparently unsuccessful, it was poorly executed. They were trying to make a divide between the lives of Chiharu and her best friend and Hongo, and #2...it was just a great big mess! The story felt like they threw together and got the Kamen Rider and Kamen Rider V3 references from a picture book, rather than having to actually watch the show. Much like Many American movies based off TV shows...Star Trek the Last Frontier, I think that what it was when Kirk died? Well, that was so far a Roddenberry influenced movie, it was scary...LOL...Then you have movies based of a show which has very little reference, again, as if they bought the coloring and pop-up books as their research materials and worked out for them: I will probably get some heat for this, but: Like Michael Bay's Transformers! LOL

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Re: Kamen Rider: The Next
« Reply #3 on May 22, 2008, 10:49pm »

I really enjoyed the first Ill have to watch this as well thanks for the post...

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Re: Kamen Rider: The Next
« Reply #4 on May 23, 2008, 1:02am »

Watch and come back...LOL

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Re: Kamen Rider: The Next
« Reply #5 on May 26, 2008, 3:12am »

Whats so damn funny....

Not has good has the First but I have seen worse...

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Re: Kamen Rider: The Next
« Reply #6 on May 27, 2008, 1:04pm »

Why do you think you needed to curse?

No it wasn't, yes it could have been worse, but it wasn't. It was flat.

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Re: Kamen Rider: The Next
« Reply #7 on Jun 30, 2008, 2:15pm »

I agree with Garret. If it weren't for the Riders and the fights..it's "OK". Too bad cuz I'm a Rider fan. I do have the DVD though. LOL!

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Re: Kamen Rider: The Next
« Reply #8 on Jul 9, 2008, 7:58am »

I just figured out what bugged me about Kamen Rider the Next: it didn't feel like a Kamen Rider story. It had all the plot points in place but it just didn't play out properly.

I thought of this because Zip (Canada's version of Netflix) sent me some Iron Eagle sequels last week.

I remember when I was little, Iron Eagle was a kid's dream: a kid using all his know-how to steal a fighter jet to fly into combat and rescue his father?! But the sequels... oh boy. Bleah. They all involved a rogue pilots' adventures and Louis Gossett Jr.'s character, but other than that, none of them had the same feeling as the original.

Despite the shortcomings of Kamen Rider The First, at the very least, it very much felt like the Kamen Rider shows what with its surreal story-line...

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Re: Kamen Rider: The Next
« Reply #9 on Jul 10, 2008, 1:56pm »

True. For all the Filipino's out there who speak tagalog. I liked the part where a neighbor is speaking to someone on her cell phone in tagalog. haha.. Totally unexpected and cracked me up.

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