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Post by magengar on Apr 23, 2013 13:19:21 GMT -5
Actually, your comment landed here and started page #197. lol By the 200th page the V V should already be past the bluff and Photoshop stage. Once we've reached page #200 we can celebrate this thread's Bicentennial. ;D C'mon MP, convince us with some solid evidence already; just 6 days, 9.75 hours to go! Damn, by that time the Yamato will reach Iscandar and be back here with all that And a bowl of grits. zozo-mag 196 pages of a product that hasn't been released....
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Post by twoducks on Apr 23, 2013 14:40:20 GMT -5
Robot Kingdom expressing their “frustration” regarding their relation with MP is very telling. For starters, RK sells products from a freaking ton of 3rd party companies that do transformer toys. Dealing with them must not be the easiest thing since they are small, some doing their first project even, and they could get hit with the legal hammer of one of the biggest toy makers in the world at any time. But they deliver. Not only is MP digging their grave with distributors, but looking like a sad joke at the same time. I’ve seen companies start from scratch and deliver their first products with critical acclaim in the time these bozos have been sitting in their asses saying the toy is “in production”.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Apr 23, 2013 17:53:31 GMT -5
There is absolutely no doubt, Miracle Productions suck at managing customer's expectations... }|
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Post by kamenrider on Apr 23, 2013 19:34:56 GMT -5
Kamenrider... Dave hasn't posted because he didn't get anything. And his lack of response is par for this communications to his customers. Exactly. And that's why he should stop saying anything til he actually has it. Until I see MP put out an image like this I doubt we're getting him next month.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Apr 23, 2013 20:29:01 GMT -5
That is an awesome picture kamerider! I see one of them didn't make it... ;D
}D
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Post by B- on Apr 23, 2013 20:49:09 GMT -5
Dave just contacted me and wants to set up a live discussion here.Im going to call him tomorrow evening eastern USA time,so expect news from me tomorrow night,he wants to clear alot of things up.So let you guys know the deal tomorrow,and when to expect a live forum here.Cool?
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Post by GEN1AUTOBOT on Apr 23, 2013 20:59:00 GMT -5
Wow , love those Shockwaves!!! I'll take ten ;D
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Post by B- on Apr 23, 2013 21:11:22 GMT -5
Im gonna try to make it a time that suits all of us,if that is possible!But im gonna get the main info from Dave on the phone tomorrow PM,and then we can conduct a live discussion here with him also at a time TBA.I think this thing is really coming to a head,and he wants to put it all in perspective for us,and try to get a clearer picture on whats going on,so lets please give him respect and have any questions ready,etc etc.Ill let you guys know more details tomorrow. Baron
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Apr 23, 2013 22:19:32 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about that discussion thou. It is clear that Miracle Productions is jerking Dave around too, so... how much will he really be able to say or answer regarding the situation? My guess would be, not much. But I'll try to be around for it. And if I can't be part of it, I'm sure stuff will be posted here, right? }D
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Post by magengar on Apr 23, 2013 22:32:08 GMT -5
Baron, I think that's the best thing that has ever happened in this thread since day One. That would be a big help for Dave, and certainly for everyone here. I'm sure everyone will agree to it, with no quarrels nor heckling of any kind from anyone (not even from Me, lol.) Seriously, we appreciate that very much; and we also appreciate your help in bring this together with Dave having a live discussion with us.
Some of us may not be able to attend this live discussion, namely those of us who work jobs during the evening hours (or whenever the time this will take place)... ...has anyone been designated to record some kind of textual transcript for this meeting? (similar to a documented interview)
That way, for those who miss out and could not attend, a text transcript can be posted somewhere here in this thread for all to read what was discussed.
Again, thanks so much for proposing this live discussion with Dave. And, also, thanks to Dave for taking the time to discuss this matter.
zozo-mag
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Apr 23, 2013 22:40:46 GMT -5
LOL!!! Now that is taking it WAyyyyyyyy to seriously! }D
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Post by magengar on Apr 23, 2013 22:48:35 GMT -5
Aw c'mon, all we are saying is give peace a chance!
If this were to be a live In-Person meeting, I'm sure some of us would come armed with pies and water-balloons. ;D
zozo-mag
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Apr 23, 2013 22:51:42 GMT -5
But why? I can see that if it was a rep from Miracle Productions, but this is just Dave from Toyfreakz. If people are that angry at Dave, they should just ask for their money back. It's like getting angry at ToysRUs because Hasbro delayed the release of the new GI Joe action figures... }D
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Post by magengar on Apr 23, 2013 23:40:33 GMT -5
Believe me, I understand what you're saying. But still, even if it's just Dave from Toyfreakz, he hasn't said anything nor have we heard from him since the beginning of this thread (let alone since this new Vehicle Voltron figure was ever announced). The only time he's ever communicated was via emails with other RJers outside this forum, and that too was back in the early day. We've barely heard from Dave in the past several months while this new item had been delayed again and again and still no concrete updates as to the status of this new item. If a live discussion is necessary with either Dave or with MP, at least one of them should take this opportunity to step up to the plate and let us hear that person's side of the story. While it's true that Dave let some cats out of the bag in the beginning, and MP feeding him even more bluff, no one here is really out to hang Dave. It would be to His benefit, and to our benefit, that he take this opportunity to speak his mind. It is also an opportunity for him to tell us what he's learned from this experience. In the long run, let's look at it this way: MP is venturing into new territory with a figure of this kind... ...is this their first time manufacturing die-cast figures? Okay, fine. A young guppy wigglin its first swim in an ocean already occupied by veteran big fish like Bandai, Aoshima, Popinica, Max Factor, to name a few... Even those big companies had to start out small somewhere when they made their first die-cast toys. Dave of Toyfreaks, or Anyone from Any retailer (for that matter) having a live discussion with us over this topic......... ....it's to everyone's advantage to learn something new about the business aspects of this hobby from a retailer's perspective. This would be an educational opportunity even I wouldn't wanna miss. zozo-mag But why? I can see that if it was a rep from Miracle Productions, but this is just Dave from Toyfreakz. If people are that angry at Dave, they should just ask for their money back. It's like getting angry at ToysRUs because Hasbro delayed the release of the new GI Joe action figures... }D
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Apr 23, 2013 23:45:18 GMT -5
But then again, what can Dave possibly say if it does not come straight from Miracle Productions? And we all know how accurate and reliable Miracle Productions information is. ;D But I will try my best to join in, at least to check it out. }D
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Post by magengar on Apr 24, 2013 0:02:58 GMT -5
;D Perhaps, and just for right now, at least just for the live discussion, perhaps we don't Wanna hear what MP has to say through Dave. ;D Seriously. If Dave has anything to say from MP, okay, fine. We'll take it for what it is. But Dave really Doesn't have to speak for MP, if he chooses Not to do so. He can just tell us His view of the situation. He can probably tell us what's going on with the status of that V V prototype.... >>perhaps the die molds were still undergoing tweaking to get things right? >>Perhaps the manufacturer needed a much more reliable source on which to base the construction and appearance of the Vehicle Voltron figure? >>Perhaps there was also some technical delays from Other material sources which the manufacturer relied upon? They gotta get their dies made and cut from an outside source, ya know. >>Perhaps the paint color process still needs more tweaking? Mixing paint is not as easy as it seems, and the same shade must be consistent from one production piece to the other. Mixing paint and colors by volume ratios is a friggin Headache! Who knows what Dave might discuss. Would it be His word against MP's? Maybe, maybe Not. Damn, this lengthy reply, I gotta take a dump. ;D zozo-mag But then again, what can Dave possibly say if it does not come straight from Miracle Productions? And we all know how accurate and reliable Miracle Productions information is. ;D But I will try my best to join in, at least to check it out. }D
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Apr 24, 2013 0:55:58 GMT -5
And all those comments would be coming from MP anyway. It is possible that I may not giving Dave the credit he deserves, and he has more control and say so on the Voltron manufactoring process. Maybe he truly knows what is exactly happening and not just by way of mouth from MP. However, I really doubt he is in such a position... but who knows, maybe he does. If the live discussion does happen, I guess we will find out tomorrow. ;D
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Post by magengar on Apr 24, 2013 1:04:37 GMT -5
Okay, I'm back. Did I miss anything? ;D
zozo-mag
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Post by B- on Apr 24, 2013 5:28:33 GMT -5
Ill let you guys know everything tonight.
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Post by twoducks on Apr 24, 2013 6:25:21 GMT -5
So, good old “damage control” time, huh? Cute. I would like to say “finally!”, only problem is that the one thing we know for sure is that Dave knows crap nothing other than the MP lies so “meh”.
But setting this up like it was some kind of press release instead of just directly posting something creates build-up. I now expect a full barrage of pics of a real in hand production sample. Anything else is just bullsh*t, grade A bullsh*t. Really tired of the thingy jerking to now expect to read excuses at this point, especially from a webstore and not the actual people making the figure.
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