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Post by chogokinabdul on Feb 19, 2010 9:49:00 GMT -5
where do I need to start from.... where is aoshima? I have been thinking about making this thread for the longest time now .... yesterday I received my black shin getter two ... I have the pearl white version and I saw this for sale at 50% so i graped it.... when I opened the Box and unleashed the black monster out of his white stereo foam cofin... I was like ..... WOOOOW .... this thing is impressive .... haven't got this satisfying feeling for a long time .... maybe since my last aoshima shin sieki gokin purchase .... that is when I decided: that is it .... I am starting this thread... bring back our shin siki gokin line !! now I know that the soul of chogokin is our number 1 chogokin line .... they tend to do great job on each project they execute... and in general their products are fancier ( lots of accessories in general ... display stand .... with labeled name plate, combiners , transformable ....etc) but for a change every now and then ... aoshima brought us some legendary gokins that are full of metal goodness , great anime accurate sculpt, good amount of articulation !! lets not forget the first gokin they produced... the shin getter 1 !! that thing was just abig deal to me that got me into start collecting chogokins again (along with GX-03/Gx-04). then the neo getter ... then the tremendous Arcadia which is way better than bandai's BPX-01 yamato!! they gave us the mighty mazinkaiser .... and his rival ankoko daishogun... and they nailed the most fragile robot design in robot's design history... the shin getter two !! and they made it good!! at 85% die cast and relatively stabled and very passable!! if bandai were to do it ... it will probably be an all plastic with some metal maiby in the legs or feet!! now that bandai is taking over most of dynamic planing license ... I am thinking .... is it the end of aoshima shin sieki gokin line?!! no please....! what do you think guys? we need to deliver a message to aoshima !
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Post by Actarus on Feb 19, 2010 11:06:20 GMT -5
True, here's my message to Aoshima;
Stop re-releasing every robot you create in 10 different colors scheme. Start working on something new, like Getter 3.
When you start doing this, I'll buy Aoshima.
By the way I have all Aoshima original release, and I really appreciate all of their work. But in order to compete with Bandai, Fewture, Max Factory, & CMs, they need something new.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Feb 19, 2010 11:25:08 GMT -5
I would love an Aoshima Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger! Aoshima truly knows how to make heavy diecast figures...! A classic Mazinger line from them would rock!!! Of course, they need to finish the Getter lines first and then move on to the next Super Robot...
They could also start coming out with famous enemy mechas.
}D
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Post by magengar on Feb 19, 2010 12:21:50 GMT -5
I agree with TheMazingerZ. Although I'm not very familiar with Aoshima (except for all them Mazinkaiser and Getter variations), I'd like ro see them manufacture more of the classic Super-Robots like Maz-Z and Great Maz, as well as many of the classic enemy robots, and many other well-loved classic robot heroes. In my opinon, Aoshima spends too much time and resources making so many variations of any single or few robot characters; it all seems confusing to some, and not many collectors with limited budgets can afford to keep up with all those variations. I'm not dissing that trend- it's quite interesting seeing many versions of, say, Mazinkaiser, and others--- ---but for all those Mazinkaisers made, each one could have been another famous robot hero in that brand line. The sculpts and weight are terrific, and their attention to detail merits the applause of all collectors who wish to acquire these fine specimens. Bandai kicks butt putting out so many different/new SOCs of so many robots. It would be nice to see Aoshima follow that trend as well. Then the competition would be something Fiercely entertaining to us spectating collectors. zozo-Magengar
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Post by zetaking on Feb 19, 2010 14:02:38 GMT -5
to be fair to aoshima, they cant compare to bandai the giant. The tooling cost to make a robot is not cheap.. And given that aoshima has less resources, that is probably why they do what they do...
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Post by gokinrob on Feb 19, 2010 15:42:35 GMT -5
Maybe not take on Bandai, but create a niche/identity like a Fewture. I'm not sure what identity exactly, but maybe focus on detail, heft, and creatively re-imagining these iconic robots they have liscences for. Produce less of them, but really re-think them. Whereas Fewture has the gothic/steampunk thing going, maybe Aoshime can go the modern/sleek re-molding.
I don't know...just a thought. But the old Aoshima (release the same Getter in new color varaiations) is tired.
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Post by xiombarg on Feb 19, 2010 15:48:23 GMT -5
I think Aoshima lost a ton of money when they tried to re-release the Toynami Alpha. It seemed like nobody bought it because of the bad reputation the mould had.
As a die cast figure company I really don't think making another Mazinger is the way to go if the company is actually trying to move forward, unless they have something new or innovative to offer, which I kind of doubt would be the case. The average collector doesn't collect every rendition of a single character, they try to collect one, whichever one is the most ideal. So even though collectors like The Mazingers would be running out to buy a new Aoshima Mazinger Z, most collectors wouldn't unless it had something better to offer than what is out there right now.
I don't see Aoshima doing anything soon, but my advice would be to scoop up some of the cool bots that haven't been made lately or at all, or do what Fewture does and add a new level of coolness to a classic bot.
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Post by magengar on Feb 19, 2010 16:20:06 GMT -5
You have a point there, Xiombarg. I'm always hoping for something new and cool from these manufacturers. But, perhaps I'm seeing things narrowly, as far as new innovations are concerned...
...Example: What new innovation can I expect from a Mazinger-Z figure made by Aoshima, besides its sculpt and heftiness (it would also be my first Aoshima). There's nothing new about the robot character itself, besides a new version of it (the Shin Mazinger- which is almost the same as the classic Maz, except for his armor, his power, and that God Scrander). Mazinger's known for his common weapons, and when it comes to making Mazinger toys and collectables there's not much anything new to expect from Mazinger besides his basic features and weapons. How many Maz figures, from various companies, all have the RocketPunch routine? The Jet Scrander routine? The Missile Punch routine? How many Maz figures are out there in the world, ranging from very simple designs to extremely detailed, intricate sculpts? What else is new?
New: How about LEDs in the eyes to simulate the Photon Beams? How about a small speaker installed inside, with a chip, to playback sound effects and pilot shouts from the series? How about a Mazinger Alarm clock which you can choose whatever series sound effects to wake up to? How about a Mazinger-head shaped coffee mug, or a Mazinkaiser-head shaped electric guitar body? How about better-looking Mazinger Tshirts besides the crappy bootlegs I see at ebay? How about a Mazinger figure Dart set, which you can air-pump to shoot drill missiles at a Dr.Hell-face dartboard (you can also replace the picture with Baron Ashura's face, or even George Bush's face)? How about a remote-controlled Hover Pilder and Brain Condor that can actually FLY by wireless remote-control? How about some 8" poseable action-figures of the Maz pilots from the series (Koji, Tetsuya, Sayaka, Boss Shiro, and Jun) all in their uniforms, and with accessories? How about a Mazinger-Z series Chess set? How about more Maz enemy mechas? A Mazinger-Z series Xbox 360/PS3 game?
This doesn't have to apply to just Mazinger; apply these things to ALL of our favorite robot heros.
Yeah, Fewture has their own style of rendering a Maz figure, and that identifies them in their own class. Bandai's put out sooo many renditions of Maz, from plastic models to SOCs, paperweight crystals, and even keychains! (I'd be surprized if they put out Mazinger UNDEROOS! LOL)
I dunno, just my wishful thinking and wild speculations. Perhaps it seems like these manufacturers are stuck in some kind of limbo with no where to go and have run out of ideas... stuck in the same rut these past couple of years. They all have great potential to break new ground, and set new trends.
Aoshima has its own identy... if they can break new ground, they'd be rockin with new products.
zozo-Magengar
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Post by Chen on Feb 19, 2010 17:16:25 GMT -5
Well we don't even know if Aoshima has the license to make any more Getters. I for one think it's not just coincidence that Aoshima has stopped producing Getters from the OVA but Bandai suddenly released two from that series.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Feb 19, 2010 18:28:12 GMT -5
As a die cast figure company I really don't think making another Mazinger is the way to go if the company is actually trying to move forward, unless they have something new or innovative to offer, which I kind of doubt would be the case. The average collector doesn't collect every rendition of a single character, they try to collect one, whichever one is the most ideal. So even though collectors like The Mazingers would be running out to buy a new Aoshima Mazinger Z, most collectors wouldn't unless it had something better to offer than what is out there right now. Completely disagree. The true collectors WILL buy any rendition of their favorite character. This has been proven time and time again with the Gundams, the EVAs, the Macross, the Getters, and the Mazinger figures. Lets not forget that just because some people don't want Bandai, Aoshima, CM's or any other company to continue making more versions of the same famous characters that bring in the PROFITS, they are just going to stop. This may suck for some fans of more obscure and less famous robots, but as always, majority rules. ;D }D
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Post by Lanmandragoran on Feb 19, 2010 19:44:15 GMT -5
As far as I Know the Shin Seiki Gokin line is not dead, just switching from robots to big spaceships.
I got their fantastic Atragon and Queen Emeraldas and their new Nautilus looks great and certainly will join the others in my spaceship collection! (that curiously doesn,t have the plastichy BPX-01...
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Post by zamboace on Feb 19, 2010 20:40:44 GMT -5
I have their Neo Getter next to me on a shelf. I'm very pleased with it.
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Post by Gold on Feb 19, 2010 22:07:01 GMT -5
I love some of Aoshima's releases but they repainted most of the existing molds to death it just made me lose interest in the line. But if they release a new mold like say Shin Getter 3 I'd be more than happy to place a pre-order.
Gold
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Feb 19, 2010 22:10:24 GMT -5
As far as I Know the Shin Seiki Gokin line is not dead, just switching from robots to big spaceships. I got their fantastic Atragon and Queen Emeraldas and their new Nautilus looks great and certainly will join the others in my spaceship collection! (that curiously doesn,t have the plastichy BPX-01... You know, I forgot about the spaceships! An Aoshima Space Battleship Yamato, with the same quality and diecast content as the Harlock and Esmeraldas shipd would just be AWESOME!!! See, that's another example of fan based wishful thinking... I already have the Bandai BPX-01, and besides being mostly plastic, I think is great. However, I wouldn't hesitate one microsecond in ordering the same Space Battleship Yamato if Aoshima decided to make one too. }D
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Post by xiombarg on Feb 20, 2010 0:07:25 GMT -5
Completely disagree. The true collectors WILL buy any rendition of their favorite character. This has been proven time and time again with the Gundams, the EVAs, the Macross, the Getters, and the Mazinger figures. But if you look at most collections, like the one's posted here on this board, the majority of them don't have numerous versions of a single character. The reason Bandai makes different versions of the same character at the same time is to try and market to a lot of different types of collectors who have different budgets, are different ages, modellers, die cast only, etc. Bandai has even stated this about their Gundam lines. Sure Bandai hopes to sweep in the guys that will buy every version of a figure, but if that was really an effective sales strategy Bandai would just be another Aoshima using a few moulds over and over again with slight variations. Besides, if it were as simple as this, don't you think Aoshima, CM's, Max Factory and every other company would be doing this right now? Lets not forget that just because some people don't want Bandai, Aoshima, CM's or any other company to continue making more versions of the same famous characters that bring in the PROFITS, they are just going to stop. This may suck for some fans of more obscure and less famous robots, but as always, majority rules. ;D }D I wasn't really trying to say that using a popular or familair character isn't a good idea, but what's the point unless it has something new, ideal, or cool to offer?
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Post by jeeg448 on Feb 20, 2010 0:14:09 GMT -5
Lead me on this guys, only have the mazinkaizer, whats the good version of aoshima of Getter 1 and shin getter. Thanks
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Feb 20, 2010 1:18:14 GMT -5
Completely disagree. The true collectors WILL buy any rendition of their favorite character. This has been proven time and time again with the Gundams, the EVAs, the Macross, the Getters, and the Mazinger figures. But if you look at most collections, like the one's posted here on this board, the majority of them don't have numerous versions of a single character. The reason Bandai makes different versions of the same character at the same time is to try and market to a lot of different types of collectors who have different budgets, are different ages, modellers, die cast only, etc. Bandai has even stated this about their Gundam lines. Sure Bandai hopes to sweep in the guys that will buy every version of a figure, but if that was really an effective sales strategy Bandai would just be another Aoshima using a few moulds over and over again with slight variations. Besides, if it were as simple as this, don't you think Aoshima, CM's, Max Factory and every other company would be doing this right now? Lets not forget that just because some people don't want Bandai, Aoshima, CM's or any other company to continue making more versions of the same famous characters that bring in the PROFITS, they are just going to stop. This may suck for some fans of more obscure and less famous robots, but as always, majority rules. ;D }D I wasn't really trying to say that using a popular or familair character isn't a good idea, but what's the point unless it has something new, ideal, or cool to offer? Collections... let's see, Tsurugi's, LancerX, mine, etc... numerous versions of the same characters. Let's face it, fans of a certain character will buy anything related to it (if they can afford to AND have the space to put it). And no, not everyone collects the same things. Some like diversity and some have their favorites, that's all. These companies know exactly what they are doing and what they are doing is very profitable... or they wouldn't do it. Even Aoshima with it's infinite repaints still makes a profit, and so does Bandai, Max Factory, CM's, etc... People buy these things, and will continue to buy them in the future. That's just the way it is. Hell, most of the times these repaints are dubbed EXCLUSIVES and they sell for two or three times the price of the original. In my book thats called good business. }D
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Feb 20, 2010 1:27:27 GMT -5
Lead me on this guys, only have the mazinkaizer, whats the good version of aoshima of Getter 1 and shin getter. Thanks Well depends what you like. Anime color or metallic? Black version? Limited versions? Weathered versions??? In my case I went for the anime color Getter-1 and Neo Getter initially. I also purchased the first version of the Shin Getter (1 and 2). However, I also purchased the Black versions of the Shin Getters and Neo Getter, the Training, Cloaked and Damaged version of Getter-1, the Training Neo Getter, and the Shin Getter "W" version. They're all good, so you can't go wrong. ;D }D
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Post by chogokinabdul on Feb 20, 2010 7:24:28 GMT -5
I like how this thread is going so far... it certainly shows the interest in aoshima's shin seiki gokin line ... what aoshima need to do is: -start doing new molds... for new characters.. -include more accessories with each character -less color variations (maybe 3 is good !! original , metallic & black) -better gasha ... it was a good idea to include a gasha of a character with each of their robots ... but the gasha quality were really sloppy .... good idea just need to be fixed. -include some kind of display base!! at least to hold the non used accessories. I think that would be enough to put the line back in action.. I hope that somehow aoshima get to read this thread ,... I hope they get our message.. we love their products ... just be up to date with the rest of the gokin lines out there. again ... aoshima released a super cool chogokin which is the shin getter 1 waaay back when bandai released the gx-02 great mazinger !!! remember that ?... when you still had to cut some of mazinger limbs off a plastic tree to assemble his plastic forearm !! look at the difference in quality between the two lines!! I am not dissing the SOC line (which came a long way and remained my No.1 line) I am just saying that aoshima back then was ahead of their time !! just wishing they continue producing classical super robot ... not only big ships and terminators!!
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Post by SuperAnimeRobot on Feb 20, 2010 10:53:19 GMT -5
i love aoshima. outstanding design and detail, superb anime accuracy and loads of diecast. mean looking too. decided to get only the normal coloured, anime accurate getters, including one black version devilwing and a couple of kaisers. bandai, max factory and cm's has merits on its own, but for me aoshima stands above the rest. i wish aoshima will make the following: - shin getter 3 - texas mac - navy blue robot piloted by an american (from armageddon ova, dunno the name) - shin getter robo morphed version (from neo getter ova with red wings) - neo getter 2 - neo getter 3 - shin dragon - shin liger - shin poseidon - space ship set of shin getter 1,2,3 (scaled with bandai) - space ship set of neo getter eagle, jaguar and bear i wish, i wish, i wish....
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