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Post by anubis20 on Mar 5, 2014 11:54:08 GMT -5
This isnt pointed at anyone in general just the ignorant... When you expect BAndai Quality from every other comapany like ALOT of people do,yes youll be let down by some minor QC.CMs was a great company,there stuff was not overpriced for the size the company is and what they offered,brave outings and THINGS BANDAI SNUBBED AT! Bandai can offer better prices they are a HUGE company! Its awesome CMs could offer these toys for the prices they had,everyone want something cheap,you dont get that in this hobby,go collect modern stamps if you all you think about is $$. 9 out of 10 of my CMs toys were worth every penny,everyone remebers the few bad things but not all the great ones which overshadows all their few minor QC,ofcourse those whos minds cant wrap around anything but Mazinger and Grendizer wouldnt know of teh great stuff CMs put out. Do any of you haters even own Gyakuten-Oh,Sankan-Oh,Goshogun,howabout Gordian? Or Pegas and Tekkaman?Jeeg?The Big shooter?The Italian deluxe parts set for jeeg?Howabout the all diecast Tetyukyojin?The oragamy like transforming Baldios?Or the WAY awesome Time Bokan insects?All 3 are awesome!! Oh I forgot you just SAW a review of one of the few Grendizers with a bad paint app and base CMs super back catalogue on a photo of a robot you dont own. Get real CMs made great toys,you just dont own any,or they are too subversive for your "I never heard of that,but I really like Shin getter and Mazinger!" tastes.Get real,buy a few of these toys,oh wait they are too expensive but that giant SOC is really cheap ill get that...Before you judge educate yourself. I never expected Bandai quality from CM's but I own Gakeen (anime version), Gordian (normal version), Jeeg (anime color), the option set for Jeeg with 3 bodies (anime color), and Grendizer (italian exclusive). By their own standards, not even comparing them to Bandai, Grendizer was pretty bad. From the moment I opened the box and found stuff rattling around something felt off and then we get to the paint, rust, and crap breaking. Hell we are even missing the screw plugs that they've included before! So in my place 1 out 5 was bad with CM's. I like my Grendizer but its a nice $285 statue that im afraid to pose or put into the spazer because of the issues. I couldve never complained about their prices because i bought my Brave Gokins late in the game so the amount i paid for Grendizer was very nice compared to what I paid for Gordian and Jeeg. I was with alot of you that was waiting on a version 2.0 of this guy.
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Post by greengetterguy on Mar 5, 2014 12:21:38 GMT -5
Well, hopefully CMs will rise again under another name...Badder and better! I'm SURE it learned many unforgettable things from Grendy disaster.
If Master@Crap can do it why can't CMs?
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Post by chogokinabdul on Mar 5, 2014 12:28:11 GMT -5
This isnt pointed at anyone in general just the ignorant... When you expect BAndai Quality from every other comapany like ALOT of people do,yes youll be let down by some minor QC.CMs was a great company,there stuff was not overpriced for the size the company is and what they offered,brave outings and THINGS BANDAI SNUBBED AT! Bandai can offer better prices they are a HUGE company! Its awesome CMs could offer these toys for the prices they had,everyone want something cheap,you dont get that in this hobby,go collect modern stamps if you all you think about is $$. 9 out of 10 of my CMs toys were worth every penny,everyone remebers the few bad things but not all the great ones which overshadows all their few minor QC,ofcourse those whos minds cant wrap around anything but Mazinger and Grendizer wouldnt know of teh great stuff CMs put out. Do any of you haters even own Gyakuten-Oh,Sankan-Oh,Goshogun,howabout Gordian? Or Pegas and Tekkaman?Jeeg?The Big shooter?The Italian deluxe parts set for jeeg?Howabout the all diecast Tetyukyojin?The oragamy like transforming Baldios?Or the WAY awesome Time Bokan insects?All 3 are awesome!! Oh I forgot you just SAW a review of one of the few Grendizers with a bad paint app and base CMs super back catalogue on a photo of a robot you dont own. Get real CMs made great toys,you just dont own any,or they are too subversive for your "I never heard of that,but I really like Shin getter and Mazinger!" tastes.Get real,buy a few of these toys,oh wait they are too expensive but that giant SOC is really cheap ill get that...Before you judge educate yourself. It is too late now ! If there is anything we collectors can do for this company lets organize something and bond with members from other forums and try to save our beloved cm's! I love their gokins I have most of what you have mentioned above and I still hate myself for not getting gordian! I was waiting for my paycheck to buy another set of grendizer because I really loved it!Can we do something?Read more: robotjapan.proboards.com/thread/19858/brave-gokin-ufo-robo-grendizer?page=89#ixzz2v6u2vMfZ
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Post by B- on Mar 5, 2014 13:09:59 GMT -5
Gakeen and Bosspalder also awesome,forgot to mention them,as I breifly looked at my shelves to name the others... I own 2 different Gakeens,Bossplader and the 4 MAS Astrobots which are also great!Also love my Combattler Maggie Nanbara female pilot! The only iffy CMs is Barratack and I fixed him with 2 small earth magnets behind the legs.Its exactly what I mean no one considers all teh parts and forms/vehicles Barratack has,but EVERYONE remember she has floppy legs,another great CMS,just add two small magnets and hes awesome!oOr just put him in one of his cool vehicle forms!
I know Patlabor and Griffon are excellent too although i dont collect anything after 1984 they are graet too!
So basically all the bad stuff and hate of CMs stems from and comes down to the bad hips of GGG,the paint apps and few QC joint issues of grendizer,because Makenda isnt metal,the floopy legs of barratack and the Mospead bikes? Get real,the good outweighs the bad like a 600 pound man to a feather.
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Post by twoducks on Mar 5, 2014 14:33:24 GMT -5
This isnt pointed at anyone in general just the ignorant... When you expect BAndai Quality from every other comapany like ALOT of people do,yes youll be let down by some minor QC.CMs was a great company,there stuff was not overpriced for the size the company is and what they offered,brave outings and THINGS BANDAI SNUBBED AT! Bandai can offer better prices they are a HUGE company! Its awesome CMs could offer these toys for the prices they had,everyone want something cheap,you dont get that in this hobby,go collect modern stamps if you all you think about is $$. 9 out of 10 of my CMs toys were worth every penny,everyone remebers the few bad things but not all the great ones which overshadows all their few minor QC,ofcourse those whos minds cant wrap around anything but Mazinger and Grendizer wouldnt know of teh great stuff CMs put out. Do any of you haters even own Gyakuten-Oh,Sankan-Oh,Goshogun,howabout Gordian? Or Pegas and Tekkaman?Jeeg?The Big shooter?The Italian deluxe parts set for jeeg?Howabout the all diecast Tetyukyojin?The oragamy like transforming Baldios?Or the WAY awesome Time Bokan insects?All 3 are awesome!! Oh I forgot you just SAW a review of one of the few Grendizers with a bad paint app and base CMs super back catalogue on a photo of a robot you dont own. Get real CMs made great toys,you just dont own any,or they are too subversive for your "I never heard of that,but I really like Shin getter and Mazinger!" tastes.Get real,buy a few of these toys,oh wait they are too expensive but that giant SOC is really cheap ill get that...Before you judge educate yourself. Nonono expecting that the toy won’t brake after handling it for a while or to not see melted paint blots and rusted screws should NEVER be called “expecting Bandai Quality”. A finished, working toy that does not brake shortly after opening it should be the most basic thing. In no way those that have to do with Bandai’s size as a company. Bandai can make more complex engineering at much lower prices and that is it. Everything else should be a given with any company, big or small. Everything below that clear line is the quality you can expect from a cheap knockoff. Yes, CM switched plastic and was finally making consecutive decent toys… which were basically action figures with normal articulation. CM just couldn’t make good combiner or transforming toys that were a step above “simple”. Their ambitious ones broke. That is not small QC issues, that is cheap materials and bad engineering right there. How many times did they do GGG until they got it right? Every new experiment was sold as a finished product to the consumer. MMC, FP, TFC, Maketoys, UT, FanToys.... any of these companies have made products with more complex engineering than CM and sure as hell don’t have Bandai’s low prices. And some of them have gotten slack for a loose joint here of there or questionable transformation choices or bad color schemes. Those 3P companies that have done the level of QC problems CM has had have directly gone under or gave replacement parts to make up for their crap. Companies that work today know that delivering the basic quality a customer expects is basic if they want to make money. That CM made subversive unknown robot #36 doesn’t give them a free pass to deliver anything but a working decently finished toy. 3P companies that make subversive unknown transformer #36 do it right or get f**ked. That is not “Bandai quality” that is the most basic thing a manufactures should do if it want to be taken seriously. The whole “haters” thing is just the cheap internet insult for “I don’t like it when you don’t like what I like”. Of course everybody has different standards as to what their money is worth. To me CM chucking out 15000-25000 YEN action figures compared to Sentinel or 3P companies (that makes actions figures that transform and combine) does raise questions as to what you are actually getting. As you can see I’m not talking about Bandai. I don’t need to make comparisons with them. At the end of the day what it all comes down to is this: company A’s comfort zone was making action figures with simple articulation of obscure things with sooty QC versus company B’s amazing articulation engineering vs companies C.D,E,G….. solid transformer toys. All for basically the same type of prices. Too much competition for our money as you can see. Those that deliver are still making business, CM didn’t and now they went under. Their licenses got them as far as they could but nowadays you have to make a solid product or GTFO; not enough obscure robots left to stand up to the great products coming out now.
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Post by B- on Mar 5, 2014 15:09:46 GMT -5
Lets not fight here,Im just trying to get a point across than there is more than just a few QC issues to CMs great legacy.
No the haters comment is based on those who judge without actually owning the toys,and yelling Bandai is god constantly.
Baldios was great combiner.Also what CMs toys do you own? Just curious.any off the list I named? Any of the classic robots,or do you just have experience with grendizer photos and a couple more modern SR types like Legioss? Im wondering because if you owned goshogun,Jeeg,Gakeen,GyakutenOh or any of those others youd see solid paint jobs,great sculpting,anime accuracy etc etc.And they do combine! Several of them!!And well!! Gyakuten,sankan,Gordian,baldios,barratack are all combiners.If you do own them thats great,but if you dont your very wrong about teh company as a whole basing it on Grendizer and a couple obscure modern SRs.Their Classics ARE on par with SOC,their Jeeg BLOWS away SOC crappy floppy Jeeg.I love SOC,and yes they are better in a lot of ways,but CMs was a great company. All im saying is people point out a few bad photos of teh few collectors who gat bad QC products and then say that is what CMs has to offer.Its a disgrace.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 5, 2014 17:36:43 GMT -5
Bro, I own Baldios since it was released... and at least mine is not a great figure. Loose, floppy, small for the price I paid (upon release). Goshogun is a brick of metal, it reminds me of an Aoshima. It looks cool but it is nothing really special, but at least it was not expensive upon release. Jeeg rules all. Barattack... well, you now own mine! Ga-Keen is cool, but the little robots magnets are weak. The GaoGaiGars were cool, but not really well engineered and ended up not very play/pose friendly. The Patlabors that I have are awesome, but I don't own them all so I can't say they are ALL awesome. The Panzer Galient robot is beautiful, but it could have been a lot better for the price. The Grendizer is okay... I should say "my Grendizer is okay", but the Spacer sucked ass! I definitely agree with you on the fact that is not fair to judge a figure or give an opinion of it unless YOU have at least handled it. Reading reviews and looking at pictures is never the same as personally handling the figures. So, I will say that CM's had potential to be the greatest, but their lack of care and vision killed them. }D
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Post by twoducks on Mar 5, 2014 18:15:47 GMT -5
I've had a few:
- DX GGGG. Crumbled to pieces. Literally. - Star GGG Complete Ver 2. After sooo many tries CM finally got a working GGG. Great articulated fingers the rest is rather stiff due to chunky design. Finish reminds me of a Power Rangers toy. The hammer bot is the definition of loose joints. - Mospeada bike Ley. Windshield broke. Small size made it fidly. No pait made it look unfinished. The bigger version by Beagle blew it out of the watter. - Mospeada bike Scott. Same as above. - Mospeada bike Rook. Another toy that disintegrated into little pieces in my hands. - Mospeada Legioss & Tread Blue. NOTHING locks, Legioss has very weird hip and specially knee articulation. The Tread is great, best CM product ever… but it can’t attach to the Legioss. Another case of a unfinished design. f**king expensive compared to other small companies. - Mospeada Legioss & Tread Red. Same as above. - Mospeada Legioss & Tread Green. Same as above. - Patlabor Ingram. Got it on a crazy sale. One of only two instances were I have paid for a CM toy and didn’t feel ripped off. - Patlabor Griffon. Same as above. - Grendizer. Superglue damage on one side of the face. Paint bubling on horns. Scratched on upper legs. Rusted screws. KO level paint apps. Spacer can’t open….
I’ve read numerous cases of broken parts on CM toys on this very forum many times and a more than a few of Gold's reviews ending with the recommendation to get it only if you are a diehard fan of the show.
Still, I read the reports of happy people with their latest toys and so went for Grendizer. Too bad I didn’t realise before that a robot held together by magnets (Jeeg) being considered as their best product yet wasn’t really that good of a sign.
I love collecting things with cool engineering even if I have zero idea what show they come from. But the engineering on the CM releases that do something isn't anything special. Specially compared to other stuff out on the marked right now like the ·p Transformers I mention so much. The Sentinel Dancouga has me pumped because I've seen what they can do. I already have six of their releases and have not been let down. Even how they do a simple knee joint is a joy to see.
CM didn’t get a bad reputation just because. There are a lot of heavy QC problems associated with their products and, more importantly, design flaws that were the real culprit of a lot of their problems. Otherwise they wouldn’t have gone belly up like they did.
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Post by twoducks on Mar 5, 2014 18:17:07 GMT -5
So, I will say that CM's had potential to be the greatest, but their lack of care and vision killed them. }D Yep.
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Post by Gettershadow on Mar 5, 2014 21:16:55 GMT -5
I think it was poor financial strategy. If they came out with 1/4 of the stuff they did but with twice the quality, they would have succeeded. Instead, they just went for "quick scores" to keep the bank notes away.. they had to swim harder and harder to keep their heads above water..
I say this just in terms of the numbers of different characters they released not the sales volume.. see, a truly great figure can be released multiple times bc it never really ever meets demand...and they cost less to release each time.. a real winner is like the SCR Mazinger, it just releases over and over all the color variants and everything.. had they used that strategy CM would still be here and going strong..
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 6, 2014 18:58:19 GMT -5
Bro, you should become a U.S.A. distributor - like Bluefin or PBM Express! }D
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Post by Gettershadow on Mar 6, 2014 20:09:33 GMT -5
I thought about getting into the Japanese robot business but the US market is so tiny it would be real hard making anything on the US alone.. you gotta have the far East and Europe too. and to do that you gotta have big coinage. If you want to make the big bucks in the US you gotta mess with Marvel and DC, Star Trek and Star Wars.. right now if you want to mess with anything new in the US that can also go global.... hands down its "Walking Dead".
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Post by magengar on Mar 7, 2014 1:55:51 GMT -5
Zombies are the IN thing now... ...Just ask any of the ones on Lark Street. zozo-mag
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Post by Robot Lover/Fighter on Mar 7, 2014 14:11:08 GMT -5
I thought about getting into the Japanese robot business but the US market is so tiny it would be real hard making anything on the US alone.. you gotta have the far East and Europe too. and to do that you gotta have big coinage. If you want to make the big bucks in the US you gotta mess with Marvel and DC, Star Trek and Star Wars.. right now if you want to mess with anything new in the US that can also go global.... hands down its "Walking Dead". Walking Dead Baby !!! Love the show and the characters... Their toys look great, thank god its all plastic... I can't break my rule buying die cast toys only... Otherwise, I'll have another (zombie)toy outbreak to contain ...
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Post by Gettershadow on Mar 7, 2014 14:38:42 GMT -5
I thought about getting into the Japanese robot business but the US market is so tiny it would be real hard making anything on the US alone.. you gotta have the far East and Europe too. and to do that you gotta have big coinage. If you want to make the big bucks in the US you gotta mess with Marvel and DC, Star Trek and Star Wars.. right now if you want to mess with anything new in the US that can also go global.... hands down its "Walking Dead". Walking Dead Baby !!! Love the show and the characters... Their toys look great, thank god its all plastic... I can't break my rule buying die cast toys only... Otherwise, I'll have another (zombie)toy outbreak to contain ... would you buy a diecast Daryl Dixon?
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Post by Robot Lover/Fighter on Mar 7, 2014 22:07:18 GMT -5
Maybe... Just saying I look forward to new episodes and I've never like zombie themed productions before this...
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 8, 2014 15:07:05 GMT -5
I like the show and the comic, but definitely not into the action figures. Not that they are not very cool, I have seen them in person and they are awesome, but they are not something I personally like to collect. }D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 16:04:44 GMT -5
I honestly do not understand people's infatuation with zombies. Then again, those same people might say the same thing about my robot collection.
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Post by mrclean08 on Mar 8, 2014 17:28:03 GMT -5
I honestly do not understand people's infatuation with zombies. Then again, those same people might say the same thing about my robot collection. I actually know some die-hard zombie fans who couldn't care less about the robots we love. So your assumption is true.
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Post by Gettershadow on Mar 8, 2014 19:20:49 GMT -5
I give a flying flip about zombies.. I like the Post-apocalyptic aspect of it.. I never found zombies to be scary at all..
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