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Post by repairtechjon on Aug 24, 2014 12:31:34 GMT -5
This is looking quite nice! Interesting seeing the smaller tech gap between and SOC, and the original toy.
The Takara G-01 is a much newer toy than a lot of the old super robot toys made into SOC, and has a really ingenious transformation, without a huge amount of room for basic improvement,except of course adding all the improved articulation joints, real cockpit canopies, and working rubber tracks (which the CMs had too).
Nice to see Bandai filling in the wish list of lots of kids (us!), adding metal where the original toys had none, similar to the updated Legacy Power Rangers Zord toys.
Taking a quick skim thru pics, is there yet a shot showing this new SOC next to the original Takara toy? The old one is quite big, 12-13 inches, but not that heavy, being all plastic.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Aug 24, 2014 12:44:52 GMT -5
I don't think Bandai will advertise it's SOC figures next to another companies' releases. Wr are going to have to wait until a third party takes that picture. But I would like to see it next to the CM's version instead. }D
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 24, 2014 14:10:09 GMT -5
Also, "Chogokin" is term that comes from Go Nagai's Mazinger. It means "Super Alloy". The term for diecast is "Gokin". Bandai's Soul of Chogokin figures don't necessarilly have to be full of Gokin. }D The term Cho. Go. Kin. Or Geum means super high quality alloy in Chinese, Japanese and also most Koreans know the term even before Bandai or the show Mazinger Z coin the term and spelled it out for us to eastern Asian nationalities.... When Bandai introduced the line, it implied a flagship line collectible with enough metal to merit the term chogokin not only because the show mazinger introduced it. The dual meaning of the word for the purpose of marketing. whether the content of the metal should be more or less 50 percent is my own. I should of said it should have atleast that much metal. It made sense to me for this particular line. I saw NHK,s ....Gear and when the rep from Bandai talked about its SOC line. He heavily emphasized metal content as one of main focal point of this line. Time and time again he said the words, toy, feeling and quality of metal gives. So to imply metal content in SOC is secondary in anyway is something that I have bit of contention with especially Bandais own market it as such. Then for them to possibly cheesing out of metal in this line without a good solid reason it's not.....cool. Especially for this particular $300 high end gokin. I dont want Aoshima 90 brick or CMs QC issue ridden 70 content ....50 asking too much for 300 dollar Bandais flag ship soc? Dont settle for less , or we ll have to contend with the way of Takaratommy BS masterpiece...now practically only the screws are diecast on thier flagship line
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Post by Chen on Aug 24, 2014 14:53:01 GMT -5
I think we're only assuming the diecast from what we see. There could be more just from internal structure that we can't see. Also there's a "breaking" point where toys become so heavy they overpower their joints and posability suffers. Right now I'll wait for in-hand reviews for definite pros and cons.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Aug 24, 2014 15:10:16 GMT -5
Also, "Chogokin" is term that comes from Go Nagai's Mazinger. It means "Super Alloy". The term for diecast is "Gokin". Bandai's Soul of Chogokin figures don't necessarilly have to be full of Gokin. }D The term Cho. Go. Kin. Or Geum means super high quality alloy in Chinese, Japanese and also most Koreans know the term even before Bandai or the show Mazinger Z coin the term and spelled it out for us to eastern Asian nationalities.... When Bandai introduced the line, it implied a flagship line collectible with enough metal to merit the term chogokin not only because the show mazinger introduced it. The dual meaning of the word for the purpose of marketing. whether the content of the metal should be more or less 50 percent is my own. I should of said it should have atleast that much metal. It made sense to me for this particular line. I saw NHK,s ....Gear and when the rep from Bandai talked about its SOC line. He heavily emphasized metal content as one of main focal point of this line. Time and time again he said the words, toy, feeling and quality of metal gives. So to imply metal content in SOC is secondary in anyway is something that I have bit of contention with especially Bandais own market it as such. Then for them to possibly cheesing out of metal in this line without a good solid reason it's not.....cool. Especially for this particular $300 high end gokin. I dont want Aoshima 90 brick or CMs QC issue ridden 70 content ....50 asking too much for 300 dollar Bandais flag ship soc? Dont settle for less , or we ll have to contend with the way of Takaratommy BS masterpiece...now practically only the screws are diecast on thier flagship line I don't want to be conflictive, but just because "we" like more diecast, doesn't make it so. Anyway, like I said, "Chogokin" is a Mazinger thing. I even recall reading that Bandai stated so... maybe when the GX-45 was released. Also, too much diecast on an articulated. action figure is definitely bad. Can you spell Miracle Production Vehicle Voltron? If it was a limited articulation figure, like the Marmit Dai Gokins, which sport KILOS of diecast, then it's fine. Not so much for this GaoGaiGar SOC. The steep price tag comes from the amazing engineering it has. Way better than what Studio Half Eye did with GaoFighGar. }D
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Aug 24, 2014 15:26:05 GMT -5
I think we're only assuming the diecast from what we see. There could be more just from internal structure that we can't see. Also there's a "breaking" point where toys become so heavy they overpower their joints and posability suffers. Right now I'll wait for in-hand reviews for definite pros and cons. Totally agree with you Chen. General Franky comes to mind, we're already talking about a relatively heavy figure: feet, legs all the way up to the "crotch" and part of the bowl area are made completely out of metal, plus all the joints in the arms and in the inner structure (transformation joints). So, not much right? joints + legs were metal, the rest is plastic. And General Franky is shorter than the upcoming GGG by 3 centimetres or so, just to put things in perspective. Well. GX-63 is heavy. Quite heavy, and thank god the center of mass is that low, because even like this, it's not the easiest thing to pose it with its legs bent. It has good ratchet joints, but everything has a limit. Bandai saw this and gave us the pedestal to let the legs rest when not action-posed. GX-68 will be taller and I'd be careful asking for more metal in the toy, if I were you. GaiGar's knees will need to support all the extra weight of Liner-Gao and Stealth-Gao. If there's any diecast in those, ouch. As Chen said, I'll wait for reviews of this toy before making any wrong assumptions.
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 24, 2014 16:00:04 GMT -5
;)Then you'd be very happy if soc goes the way of Takaratommy s MP. Awsome engineering , justifiably high price , with very little diecast if any, for reasons of paint chips, high transport cost, balance issue, engineering issues...ect, ect.... Again....i agree too much diecast is bad. I know that first hand too. I have Franky and i have CMs Jeeg and numerous Aoshima. I said about 50 well placed diecast to be fair to how it's marketed. Again you think Bandai cant or wont do that out of engineering issues? To put metal on feet and lower Legs? And i guess when i say we...i meant we who expect what is expected by how Bandai market SOCs as diecast toy. dont know about Go Nagais but Bandais definition of Chogokin always meant as diecast for its own admission. From the inception of the line in 70s chogokin always meant diecast toy of a super robot to Bandai. Lastly, just because apple is trade marked, doesn't mean it only has one meaning and owns the entire whole meaning of apple.... factually doesn't matter the company says they own the right to the name. They will sue and prob win legally but still cant change the fact apple is just an apple... It will always retain true meaning in the end. Chogokin means metal...yes a super high quality metal if you want to get technical.
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 24, 2014 16:19:11 GMT -5
what is the term Chogokin is used in Soul of Chogokin ? What does that imply? I guess it did revolved from original concept. But then if diecast is not that important, then Bandai really should not focus on it. It's just strange to say something to imply and market it such and decides to say....oh well use less because. Reduce what we did for over three decades and give them something little else. Im glad the metal Damashii is not call Damashii chogokin as I might get flustered on that one too if they decide to slowly reduce metal count for various reasons...
I obviously have not much to do atm.. So i better get busy. but Please do have the last word at your convenience and liking. I wont say another word about it.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Aug 24, 2014 16:28:46 GMT -5
We can rant all you want. You'll believe what you want, and I'll stick to what I know. It's all good. You do know that Mazinger is what started Bandai's chogokin line, right. Coincidence... not! But the fact remains Bandai is still holding all the cards and is still making their SOCs as they want, with as much or as little diecast as they feel like... and a huge percentage ALWAYS SELLS like crazy! Good thing is that nobody is forced to buy anything if they don't like it. Me, HELL YEAH I'm getting it. }D
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Post by tetsuryu on Aug 24, 2014 17:04:28 GMT -5
SoC is pretty f***ing far from going the way of Takara's MP line, in regards to the die cast content. The only MP with SoC level die cast was MP-1; after that, it dropped harder and faster than Milli Vanilli's record sales after the lipsync scandal.
I think greengetterguy is just painting overly pessimistic picture of the future here.
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Post by clayrebel on Aug 24, 2014 17:15:15 GMT -5
Everyone's expectations and desires out of an SOC is going to be different. For some they want articulation. For others, die-cast content. Maybe even overall design, looks, gimmicks etc, etc. For me, I'll take overall balance. I am no engineer nor am I a toy designer. So I'm just going to trust Bandai, a company who's been doing this chogokin toy thing for decades that they will give us the best version of these super robots. (with as much or little die-cast or not) Sure there will be flaws, nothing is perfect. Bandai can't satisfy everyone. But like TMZ said, I don't have to buy it if I don't want to..... But you better believe I'm picking this up!!!
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Post by kamenrider on Aug 24, 2014 17:40:42 GMT -5
I understand peoples arguments about too much diecast ruining a figure. However, with such a high price you'd expect him to have more than whats shown. Perhaps Bandai will surprise us with metal content in the gao machines (at least the drill gao's). I wonder if GX-70 could be GGGG.
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Post by reVolVer on Aug 24, 2014 17:43:59 GMT -5
i dont think its appropriate to compare MPs to that 90's fraud pop group... Its brutal hehehe. Until all TF characters been done(which still a ton).. there will be strong demand for the line. unlike super robots, TF franchise keeps getting new blood to thier fanbase, thanks to the movies and new animations. only downside of these MP line being almost all plastic.. it can easily made into bootlegs or knock-offs.
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Post by droutmaster on Aug 24, 2014 17:55:02 GMT -5
i think people are getting ahead of assuming if it has little or non die-cast but joints only, lets wait for more info about it. Beside, it still has diecast and for the cheer size been at 26cm tall(equivalent to 10.246 inches) I'm surprise is at 30,000 yen ($300). Comparing to Studio HalfEye's GaoFighGar figure he was all plastic, 16 cm tall(6.299 inches) and is double the price when it was release at 60,000 yen($600). SoC is pretty f***ing far from going the way of Takara's MP line, in regards to the die cast content. The only MP with SoC level die cast was MP-1; after that, it dropped harder and faster than Milli Vanilli's record sales after the lipsync scandal. I think greengetterguy is just painting overly pessimistic picture of the future here. i have to disagree, the MP-01 was a total fiasco, it didn't look nothing like Optimus Prime and it was way to big for any line to go with (specially megatron, ugh he was horrible looking). Even though he had a lot of diecast (which is true, possibly more than all the SoC combine) it was extremely unbalance and there was a risk of it falling off and possible breaking the piston in the arms from impact (seen it happen to one of my friends, not pretty). Now that the MP evolve into more accurate versions base on the cartoons as well in scale it out surpase the MP-01 by a mile (granted made more in plastic). not everything has to be made in diecast to be awesome, even in plastic for would also been just good as well as long is done right and captures the look of the character and scale thats what all matters. having diecast in the most omportant areas or for balancing the figure is not bad, but having the figure made pretty much 95% of it deicast there are gonna be some issues from balancing and pricing.
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Post by actionawesome on Aug 24, 2014 21:40:09 GMT -5
Also, "Chogokin" is term that comes from Go Nagai's Mazinger. It means "Super Alloy". The term for diecast is "Gokin". Bandai's Soul of Chogokin figures don't necessarilly have to be full of Gokin. }D You beat me to it TMZ. I get tired of people using that word incorrectly. Talking about Word Crimes!
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Post by Coldbreakar on Aug 25, 2014 2:40:52 GMT -5
Now, if this product will deliver a great success in the market and i'm sure it will, and Bandai has licenses for the rest of the Brave Series From Exkaizer to Dagwon Add Baan Gaan if they have it's licenses which i hope so I will say GO For It Bandai! Will never happen. The rest of the Brave shows don't even come close to the popularity or success that GaoGaiGar has. SOC GGG will undoubtedly sell(Hell, those newer pics above are getting me tempted and I told thing's pricetag to f**k off earlier), but Dagwon or Baan Gaan would never sell. Who knows time will tell, yes GaoGaiGar is popular and it got my attention back then to watch the series Thanks to it it got the Brave Series in my radar to watch them and i have say they do deserve the SOC treatment "The Main Two Robots" Bandai is Sitting on a Goldmine If they use their minds they can do it.
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Post by tetsuryu on Aug 25, 2014 5:15:11 GMT -5
i have to disagree, the MP-01 was a total fiasco, it didn't look nothing like Optimus Prime and it was way to big for any line to go with (specially megatron, ugh he was horrible looking). Even though he had a lot of diecast (which is true, possibly more than all the SoC combine) it was extremely unbalance and there was a risk of it falling off and possible breaking the piston in the arms from impact (seen it happen to one of my friends, not pretty). Now that the MP evolve into more accurate versions base on the cartoons as well in scale it out surpase the MP-01 by a mile (granted made more in plastic). not everything has to be made in diecast to be awesome, even in plastic for would also been just good as well as long is done right and captures the look of the character and scale thats what all matters. I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the quantity of die cast and nothing more. But I agree, I would rather have more plastic than die cast than a heavy, floppy mess.
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Post by tetsuryu on Aug 25, 2014 8:45:37 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with Bandai's minds. Also, calling the Brave franchise a "goldmine" is stretching it big time. People love GGG, but the majority of those same people couldn't care less about the other series, or at the very least, wouldn't go out of their way to buy SOCs of their respective lead robots. Yeah, apart from GGG, haven't the Brave SRCs shelfwarmed like crazy?
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Post by quinjester on Aug 25, 2014 9:09:11 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with Bandai's minds. Also, calling the Brave franchise a "goldmine" is stretching it big time. People love GGG, but the majority of those same people couldn't care less about the other series, or at the very least, wouldn't go out of their way to buy SOCs of their respective lead robots. Yeah, apart from GGG, haven't the Brave SRCs shelfwarmed like crazy? I bought my SRC Might Gaine and Choryujin brothers for $5 each!
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Post by Chen on Aug 25, 2014 13:58:46 GMT -5
Besides the Armored core stuff the Brave figures beside the GGGG, GGG, and GFG have been average sellers at best catering to those that want a full cast but on average the Sentai stuff sells better.
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