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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 13, 2014 23:58:13 GMT -5
A warning:
I don't know if any of you got the email but PayPal is now moving to 180 day windows to file disputes. It's blowing up on forums from ebay community to TFW2005 etc. Goes into effect November 18th.
I will be trying to frantically list all my remaining vintage non-robot toys if I have the time and then get the hell out of dodge. Then I will open my own online store. No way am I giving toy scalpers and scammers free loans on my money and losing $1000 items. I'm not sorry.
This will be a swindler's paradise. I've seen the horror stories that people in the transformer community have lost AFA 1 of 1 figures, rare sealed items, etc. and their money. No way could I take a financial hit like that.
It also says that if you do business internationally that you are bound by the laws of the country your winning buyer is in!
The return shipping is on the seller, and no refund of PayPal feed either, no exceptions on both, and I bet they will say that you're out final value fees as well.
Also, this is not only on eBay but on ALL platforms that accept PayPal...it is PayPal wide...we need to find a new payment method or I'm taking the LLC I registered and looking into a merchant credit card account which I am sure I cannot afford...
I'm waiting to see what else comes of this...
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 14, 2014 0:00:06 GMT -5
Also apparently it has been in effect in the UK for a while now and it doesn't apply to every item.
One area in particular it doesn't apply to is custom items (I am guessing handmade, one of a kind, etc.) so you guys doing kitbashes and sculpted parts etc. should be okay.
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Post by glane21 on Oct 17, 2014 22:21:48 GMT -5
Can you post a link to the discussions?
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 17, 2014 22:38:43 GMT -5
If you just google PayPal 180 day or ebay 180 day they should come up but I'll see if I can find a few threads on other sites to link.
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Post by Philo Beddoe on Oct 18, 2014 11:43:53 GMT -5
I agree. As a seller this causes substantial concern regarding potential fraud and/or claims of 'not as described'. To allow a buyer to make a claim 6 months after purchase just seems asinine and continues the trend of protecting the buyer while leaving the seller open for abuse. Why the hell would it take someone 6 months to figure out there's an issue with an item they bought? The issues go on and on.
Is it any coincidence that Ebay has made plans to separate from Paypal?
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Post by repairtechjon on Oct 18, 2014 12:34:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I latched on to the details of the initial paypal policy email right away, that 6 month time jumped out at me as "WHAATT!!"
From ebay's point of view, they must be frantically trying to scheme up new ways to desperately keep their former online almost-monopoly of market, as the competition has to be boiling their butt, with SO much market share shifting to other online venues like AMAZON, Etsy, etc, as well as all the traditional real space auction houses getting on board all the online platforms like AuctionZip, Auctiva, and others.
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Post by crpdiablos on Oct 21, 2014 10:05:44 GMT -5
I'm in the middle of something right now where I was smart and did research on the buyer I almost lost a 2500.00 item. Before the item shipped the buyer showed his rear and when he though it was shipped just like i thought the scheme went into action but I still had the item unknown to him and his plan failed. I will fill you guys in more eventually but this news sounds just awful. I have been thinking about opening a store at my shop. I have a large storefront with a good location this may push me that directions as well
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Post by repairtechjon on Oct 21, 2014 21:06:27 GMT -5
Oh yes!! We'll be right over to stock the shelves with piles of yard sale Barbie's with missing limbs, and beater Shogun Dangards with no head! Yeah, if you've got the space, do it. Gets easier over the years as you get "regulars" buying from you. I know a few guys from our parents generation in the Atomic Era space toy/robot/raygun collecting scene, that still do ok mostly analog, travelling to buy and sell at real toy shows, and an at-home warehousing setup. Come to think of it, a big part of the current Transformers/GI Joe/ Wrestling toy scene is done this way, off ebay/paypal.
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 21, 2014 21:41:24 GMT -5
I am so close to doing an online store with my brother, and starting to look at brick and mortar. Once I open up, you can all come visit. If I do brick do mortar it will only be temporary though, so most likely online. My inventory will be insane.
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Post by tetsuryu on Oct 22, 2014 2:22:56 GMT -5
Unless you didn't ship internationally to begin with, I guess all us foreigners are shafted... er.
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 22, 2014 8:53:52 GMT -5
Unless you didn't ship internationally to begin with, I guess all us foreigners are shafted... er. Actually I did for certain items, based on demand or a buyer's feedback (I did have restrictions in some cases) and obviously, I would ship to countries with reliable postal systems for known RJ members.
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Post by zambot3 on Oct 22, 2014 9:52:09 GMT -5
The only problem with opening your own online store is you won't get nearly the number of eyes on your items as you would on ebay. Part of the reason lots buy from it is because there is that buyer protection. But I do agree, these policies hurt sellers. Have a friend who sells regularly tell me he's sold lots a few times and the buyer saying some of the toys in the lot were not in the delivery. This was a US to US sale. The buyer mentioned he didn't want to file a item not describe claim and would be happy just to get his money back, sending the items back to the seller. Not saying this was a scam but easily could be. Also, my friend told me that ebay does keep tabs on buyers who do multiple returns and do suspend buyers who do that.
My friend who sells a lot sees things like this as a cost of doing business. I guess he will get out once that cost exceeds what he makes for it not to be worthwhile for him to sell.
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 22, 2014 12:02:08 GMT -5
I agree but I think I know my market pretty well and this is a hobby for me. So while I would run it like a business, I won't be strapped to move stuff immediately or depend on it to live (I have a regular job and also my own business in addition to that). I'd just rather be able to locate, find and supply important things that people are looking for and have some fun while I do it.
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Post by mtmte586 on Oct 22, 2014 17:23:31 GMT -5
Well, hurry up! :-)
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Post by bowhntr66 on Oct 22, 2014 19:03:39 GMT -5
I agree but I think I know my market pretty well and this is a hobby for me. So while I would run it like a business, I won't be strapped to move stuff immediately or depend on it to live (I have a regular job and also my own business in addition to that). I'd just rather be able to locate, find and supply important things that people are looking for and have some fun while I do it. And lets not forget the fun of looking, and purchasing items for friends! Hell, I get as much enjoyment out of finding a Grail for someone else as I do when I get a decent item for myself.
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 22, 2014 20:42:42 GMT -5
I agree but I think I know my market pretty well and this is a hobby for me. So while I would run it like a business, I won't be strapped to move stuff immediately or depend on it to live (I have a regular job and also my own business in addition to that). I'd just rather be able to locate, find and supply important things that people are looking for and have some fun while I do it. And lets not forget the fun of looking, and purchasing items for friends! Hell, I get as much enjoyment out of finding a Grail for someone else as I do when I get a decent item for myself. Yup! Tom is one of the guys I always keep a look out for things for and repairtechjon helped me big time this week with a very small part I desperately needed. Always help out the RJ fam!
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Oct 23, 2014 11:17:45 GMT -5
Well, the 180 days is only good when you use Paypal for pre-orders. The current 45 day buyer protection sucks if you have to pre-pay (like in places like AE and Angolz) for pre-orders. I recently had Paypal tell me to go pack sand when a online store I had prepaid for an item, decided to close my account. I could not even get emails to them because they would bounce back. They had over $200 of my money already, and Paypal told me that since I had made the payment over 45 days before I submitted my claim, they could not help me. Lucky for me, I had used my Capital One Visa to fund the Paypal payment, and they got me my money back.
But as far as Ebay purchases, or any regular non-preorder payments, yeah, that 180 day claims period sucks. The claims period should be no more than 10 days after the item has been delivered. There is no need to wait any longer than that IMO.
}D
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Post by ancestral on Oct 28, 2014 0:06:30 GMT -5
What about creating a Facebook Robot Japan For Sale group? This has been successful in selling to other collectors in my X-Plus Godzilla Facebook group! Invite only!! I would definitely support cutting out eBay fees! Plus collectors can buy from a trusted group!
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 28, 2014 8:24:55 GMT -5
I don't really care much for facebook...
I'm working on choosing store formats over the next week or two. Have a couple options I'm reviewing. The biggest holdup is looking into alternate secure payments, other than PayPal.
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Post by xtrlowz75 on Oct 31, 2014 12:41:05 GMT -5
Well it will be interesting to see what happens after Paypal separates from eBay and what dumb things Paypal does on its own. Alibaba's auction site Taobao is also looking to purchase eBay. In business facts, Taobao pushed eBay out of most of Asia and Eastern Europe, and is looking at the south American markets along with actually buying out eBay. So that may create more changes, and Taobao is supposed to be much better for the seller along with the buyer. I have also read it cost the seller about 20% less in fees and final fees to sell on Taobao than eBay. Thats why Taobao crushed out eBay in Asia. I would also love to buy a brick and mortar store here too as I have an option, but need the $150,000 to buy the guy out and all of his inventory, and he has a massive inventory in storage. If Mr. Ginrai would hurry and jump on a plane, we could do this together haha.
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