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Post by B- on Oct 27, 2014 15:18:04 GMT -5
Yes there is another thread for these,but just wanna show those who dont know..the Generals and Robots are big as SRC,the human type villains and pilots are half the size.Its the Italian Go Nagai collection,both of these shipped was 48$ from Italy,took a week.They come with comic size books with about 8 pages of manga,background of character,rankings amongst the villains,the early proto unpainted shots,origins etc etc very nice!!
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Post by magengar on Oct 27, 2014 15:51:03 GMT -5
Those Go Nagai figures, like those Mycenean generals and villains, feel as nostalgic as the classic gashapons of their time which were also fun to collect. You made out good by scoring the whole set! zozo-mag
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Post by B- on Oct 27, 2014 16:09:32 GMT -5
Those Go Nagai figures, like those Mycenean generals and villains, feel as nostalgic as the classic gashapons of their time which were also fun to collect. You made out good by scoring the whole set! zozo-mag True! But No I only have these 2 Magengar the whole set would be well over 1000$.I only want the Mycenean generals basically and Minister argos here..not all the set is out yet either..so.
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Oct 27, 2014 17:06:36 GMT -5
Glad to hear you're enjoying the figures Baron I thought once or twice to get them, but they're just so many (and not really that cheap, not even here where they make them) that I decided to pass. Also, I still wonder why the Great General of Darkness was called "Generale Nero" (Black General) here in Italy... Oh well.
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Post by B- on Oct 27, 2014 17:21:56 GMT -5
Yeah thats odd..maybe black and darkness got confused in translation? but yes i really like them,they are nice and big compared to say the Aoshima type Gashapons that come with Mazinkaiser..Huge in comparison actually!I Cant really call them gashapons,more like mini statues,the robots and generals anyhow..
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Post by magengar on Oct 27, 2014 18:20:01 GMT -5
about General "Nero"....According to this wiki information, Nero was a Roman emperor from 54 to 68 A.D., and the last Roman emperor of the Julio-Claudius dynasty. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero...He was famed for enhancing the cultural life of the Roman Empire, and later on during his reign he was also known as an evil tyrant. The wiki explains in greater detail about emperor Nero's background. Great Mazinger's enemy was the Great General of Darkness ( Dark General). In Spanish, the name is el General Negro (the G in General is pronounced as an " H" in Spanish). Loosely translated, the name would be "General Black" or "Black General"... ...but the term "black" would have sounded so generic; therefore "Dark" suited best for the character of Ankoku Daishogun, given his evil nature. Black in Spanish is " Negro", and in Italian it is " Nero", as an adjective the word is associated with black, dark, sable, gloomy, dire, tanned, obscure, clandestine, menacing, threatening. So then, for the character of the Dark General, the Italians fitted the name as General Neroto the character Ankoku Daishogun as he is portrayed as an evil underworld tyrant. The Italian spelling and translation are correct. zozo-mag
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Oct 27, 2014 18:27:11 GMT -5
Great score bro! I'd love to get the seven Mycene Generals, Jeeg's Big Shooter, and the three evil generals from Jeeg.
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Post by B- on Oct 27, 2014 19:12:25 GMT -5
about General "Nero"....According to this wiki information, Nero was a Roman emperor from 54 to 68 A.D., and the last Roman emperor of the Julio-Claudius dynasty. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero...He was famed for enhancing the cultural life of the Roman Empire, and later on during his reign he was also known as an evil tyrant. The wiki explains in greater detail about emperor Nero's background. Great Mazinger's enemy was the Great General of Darkness ( Dark General). In Spanish, the name is el General Negro (the G in General is pronounced as an " H" in Spanish). Loosely translated, the name would be "General Black" or "Black General"... ...but the term "black" would have sounded so generic; therefore "Dark" suited best for the character of Ankoku Daishogun, given his evil nature. Black in Spanish is " Negro", and in Italian it is " Nero", as an adjective the word is associated with black, dark, sable, gloomy, dire, tanned, obscure, clandestine, menacing, threatening. So then, for the character of the Dark General, the Italians fitted the name as General Neroto the character Ankoku Daishogun as he is portrayed as an evil underworld tyrant. The Italian spelling and translation are correct. zozo-mag VERY well done Magengar LOVE the research and knowledge !!
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Post by magengar on Oct 27, 2014 19:28:28 GMT -5
lol... thanks, Baron! Hey, we learn new things every day. So much anime and manga are inspired from events, characters, places, and things throughout world history. It's fascinating to see how it's all somehow connected. zozo-mag
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Oct 28, 2014 2:06:54 GMT -5
about General "Nero"....According to this wiki information, Nero was a Roman emperor from 54 to 68 A.D., and the last Roman emperor of the Julio-Claudius dynasty. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero...He was famed for enhancing the cultural life of the Roman Empire, and later on during his reign he was also known as an evil tyrant. The wiki explains in greater detail about emperor Nero's background. Great Mazinger's enemy was the Great General of Darkness ( Dark General). In Spanish, the name is el General Negro (the G in General is pronounced as an " H" in Spanish). Loosely translated, the name would be "General Black" or "Black General"... ...but the term "black" would have sounded so generic; therefore "Dark" suited best for the character of Ankoku Daishogun, given his evil nature. Black in Spanish is " Negro", and in Italian it is " Nero", as an adjective the word is associated with black, dark, sable, gloomy, dire, tanned, obscure, clandestine, menacing, threatening. So then, for the character of the Dark General, the Italians fitted the name as General Neroto the character Ankoku Daishogun as he is portrayed as an evil underworld tyrant. The Italian spelling and translation are correct. zozo-mag Yes, emperor Nero, also called Neròn in Spanish and Nerone in Italian. I don't know if there's a direct correlation between him and Ankoku Daishogun though... While it is true that the term "black" by extension may very well refer to evil and darkness, I still wonder why they didn't go for a literal translation. Like "Grande Generale della Oscurità" or something like that
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Post by magengar on Oct 28, 2014 5:08:57 GMT -5
about General "Nero"....According to this wiki information, Nero was a Roman emperor from 54 to 68 A.D., and the last Roman emperor of the Julio-Claudius dynasty. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero...He was famed for enhancing the cultural life of the Roman Empire, and later on during his reign he was also known as an evil tyrant. The wiki explains in greater detail about emperor Nero's background. Great Mazinger's enemy was the Great General of Darkness ( Dark General). In Spanish, the name is el General Negro (the G in General is pronounced as an " H" in Spanish). Loosely translated, the name would be "General Black" or "Black General"... ...but the term "black" would have sounded so generic; therefore "Dark" suited best for the character of Ankoku Daishogun, given his evil nature. Black in Spanish is " Negro", and in Italian it is " Nero", as an adjective the word is associated with black, dark, sable, gloomy, dire, tanned, obscure, clandestine, menacing, threatening. So then, for the character of the Dark General, the Italians fitted the name as General Neroto the character Ankoku Daishogun as he is portrayed as an evil underworld tyrant. The Italian spelling and translation are correct. zozo-mag Yes, emperor Nero, also called Neròn in Spanish and Nerone in Italian. I don't know if there's a direct correlation between him and Ankoku Daishogun though... While it is true that the term "black" by extension may very well refer to evil and darkness, I still wonder why they didn't go for a literal translation. Like "Grande Generale della Oscurità" or something like that I think the shorter name reference is for the sake of subtitles. Such a long name as "Grande Generale della Oscuritá" would be too long and too fast to read on screen while watching and listening to the character speak his/her part. The subtitles must closely match in synchronization and speed of appearance with what is being spoken otherwise the lag will confuse the viewers. The correlation between emperor Nero, and Ankoku Daishogun is quite simple: Ever since Dr.Hell's defeat, and the appearance of the mightier robot Great Mazinger, an evil character was needed to heighten the menacing threat of world conquest by an evil ruler who could subjugate humanity to his will. Dr.Hell was not good enough to carry out the role of this new evil character. Count Brocken was even more sinister, but not evil enough for this role, and he later turned out to be an android anyway. Baron Ashler? Puh-leEez. This new ruler has to have a heart and soul of pure evil nature consumed with such dark wicked ambition for absolute power to ensure total annihilation of the weak and inferior race, and hell-bent on eliminating any opposing force that stands against him, someone so reminiscent of the Beast (as described in the New Testament book of Revelations, chapter 13); in that case, it may as well be Satan himself, right! lol... ...what better character than Rome's emperor Nero, who was very well-versed in politics and a successful military genius. Emperor Nero sought to elevate the supremacy of the Roman Empire as a global super-power; and he would do so at any cost, even if it meant he had to execute his own citizens, dissidents, heretics, political rivals, and anyone who opposed his rule and stood in his way. You can't just draw a bad guy and throw him up on screen in some super-hero cartoon. In anime, the bad guy character has to be very convincing. You'd feel that conviction when you find yourself literally hating that bad guy or arch-enemy or villain henchman in every episode of the anime, your reaction would make you wanna smash your TV in such anger and bitterness for the evil tyrant. Emperor Nero was the perfect embodiment of tyranny and darkness. Therefore he suited as the perfect reference model for the development of the character Ankoku Daishogun. You have to admit, he even gave Koji Kabuto such a hard time as well. Go Nagai was always deeply fascinated by ancient Greek/Roman mythology. While the Great Mazinger series itself failed to be as popular as Mazinger-Z, Ankoku Daishogun earned high scores for being one of the most wicked villains in classic anime history. zozo-mag
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Oct 28, 2014 5:37:42 GMT -5
Nagai was interested in Classic European mythology, true. But Ankoku Daishogun's name doesn't remind me of emperor Nero. Nor does the Italian translation.
You may be right on something though: the Great General of Darkness could be a representation/personificaion of many Roman generals and emperors. Many of them were in fact wicked people, strongly desiring absolute power and many of them killed both relatives and superiors in order to achieve that power. Only to be killed by someome under their command, who had the same ambition.
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Post by magengar on Oct 28, 2014 6:05:58 GMT -5
Nagai was interested in Classic European mythology, true. But Ankoku Daishogun's name doesn't remind me of emperor Nero. Nor does the Italian translation. You may be right on something though: the Great General of Darkness could be a representation/personificaion of many Roman generals and emperors. Many of them were in fact wicked people, strongly desiring absolute power and many of them killed both relatives and superiors in order to achieve that power. Only to be killed by someome under their command, who had the same ambition. Ankoku Daishogun's name (in Japanese)... 暗黒大将軍 ...translation: "dark warlord". In this context, darkness is associated with evil. During the era of feudal Japan, a military general was called a shogun. And as the emperor's military deputy, the shogun was the actual ruler of Japan from the 12th century to the 19th century. Emperor Nero was a brilliant military genius during the time of his rule. zozo-mag
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Post by B- on Oct 28, 2014 10:32:04 GMT -5
Nagai was interested in Classic European mythology, true. But Ankoku Daishogun's name doesn't remind me of emperor Nero. Nor does the Italian translation. You may be right on something though: the Great General of Darkness could be a representation/personificaion of many Roman generals and emperors. Many of them were in fact wicked people, strongly desiring absolute power and many of them killed both relatives and superiors in order to achieve that power. Only to be killed by someome under their command, who had the same ambition. Ankoku Daishogun's name (in Japanese)... 暗黒大将軍 ...translation: "dark warlord". In this context, darkness is associated with evil. During the era of feudal Japan, a military general was called a shogun. And as the emperor's military deputy, the shogun was the actual ruler of Japan from the 12th century to the 19th century. Emperor Nero was a brilliant military genius during the time of his rule. zozo-mag Magengar funny you should mention "the Beast" and "Nero" as at the time some believed Nero was the Antichrist ...some biblical scholars believe the Antichrist would be a reincarnation of Nero! penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/gladiators/nero.html
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Oct 28, 2014 12:33:27 GMT -5
Nagai was interested in Classic European mythology, true. But Ankoku Daishogun's name doesn't remind me of emperor Nero. Nor does the Italian translation. You may be right on something though: the Great General of Darkness could be a representation/personificaion of many Roman generals and emperors. Many of them were in fact wicked people, strongly desiring absolute power and many of them killed both relatives and superiors in order to achieve that power. Only to be killed by someome under their command, who had the same ambition. Ankoku Daishogun's name (in Japanese)... 暗黒大将軍 ...translation: "dark warlord". In this context, darkness is associated with evil. During the era of feudal Japan, a military general was called a shogun. And as the emperor's military deputy, the shogun was the actual ruler of Japan from the 12th century to the 19th century. Emperor Nero was a brilliant military genius during the time of his rule. zozo-mag I mean, why did you mention emperor Nero in the first place? How do we know if Nagai was referring exactly to him when he created the character of Ankoku Daishogun? Let's not forget that the term "nero" in Italian has nothing to do with the Latin word "Nero", which was in fact the name of said emperor. Our "nero" comes from the Latin word "niger", and that's just the colour, nothing more.
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Post by magengar on Oct 28, 2014 21:45:12 GMT -5
Emperor Nero was the closest quickest reference that came to my mind. Nagai may have had some other character reference to work with, who knows. I understand the Latin word "niger" translates to colour. In Spanish, we have the word "negro" which means Black in English. When the Great Mazinger series was broadcast in Spanish, Ankoku Daishogun's name was translated to "El General Negro". As for the Italian translation of the series, the name was translated to Generale Nero... ...I thought perhaps there was a common similarity between the Italian and Spanish languages for that name, since both languages share a Latin base.
Ankoku Daishogun was a dark character, that dark face (not the old man speaking face) on top of his body was portrayed as being dark blue-grayish with black stripes around his face and black shadowing around his eyes... it was dark green-grayish in the Mazinkaiser OVA; and later on it was grey with more black shadowing in the Shin Mazinger series. For the Latin and Spanish broadcast studios, "Nero" and "Negro" were convenient references to use for the villain character.
In the case of such classic super-robot anime shows, some of the villains were often portrayed with darker gloomy colors to visually reflect their evil personalities.
zozo-mag
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Post by B- on Dec 30, 2014 11:53:19 GMT -5
Just got this one yesterday from Italy..Marquis Janus
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Post by darkfriar on Dec 30, 2014 13:20:50 GMT -5
Just got this one yesterday from Italy..Marquis Janus Those are some scary nails... Congrats on your new find
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Dec 30, 2014 13:38:03 GMT -5
I think I read somewhere that... since the line got so popular, they decided to extend it? With more items coming out in the next few months...?
Like, 11 new items, at 20 euros each (ugh). But the official site says nothing yet.
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Post by B- on Dec 30, 2014 14:58:27 GMT -5
I think I read somewhere that... since the line got so popular, they decided to extend it? With more items coming out in the next few months...? Like, 11 new items, at 20 euros each (ugh). But the official site says nothing yet. Oh yeah they end up being like 40$ each,but if you by up to 3 or 4 they charge only for one shipping,some places anyways.I had to have at least a few of these,want all the generals but waiting to see if someone puts a set together to buy instead of getting them as they come out,remember some are BIG like the ones I have at 4-5 inches,some are half that size.see top pic with SRC Maz to see teh big ones like I have..
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