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Post by jwm on Apr 28, 2006 19:29:16 GMT -5
I have to take some blame on the live auction thread. I deleted the first one per request, and then wasn't paying attention when the next one went up. My bad. But please in the future refrain from posting live auctions. It tends to draw more bidders, and drives up prices.
JWM
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Post by nekrodave on Apr 29, 2006 17:45:15 GMT -5
Thanks, man, but you did everything you could have. The link was posted pretty late that night, iirc. And also, sorry if it was my outburst that prompted you to delete the previous thread. It's just become one of my biggest pet peeves and the higher the stakes, the more upsetting it is when it happens. The stress that this auction was, and is, causing me is off the charts. And I can be mean when I'm in a GOOD mood!  |
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Post by boogeyman on Apr 30, 2006 11:17:56 GMT -5
I can't understand..even posting normal auctions let the prices and the offers soar...
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Post by tat845 on Apr 30, 2006 19:56:52 GMT -5
Basically it's the law of supply and demand. If the supply is really really low, just like the case of vintage jumbo garada k7, and the demand is so high, everybody wants a piece of the action. So posting live auction of a very very rare item can create a bid war which causes the price to soar. I too was also interested and can only sympathize to those who are into it, seeing the prices go crazy every minute. It's just frustrating.
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Post by txjumbo on May 1, 2006 13:04:01 GMT -5
I made the mistake of posting a couple of auctions....and will never do so again...
But I still maintain it's awful chicken sh*t to not post auctions....
The simple fact of the matter is that EVERY INDIVIDUAL has a set price they are willing to give for any given JM....IF you get beat out....that is nobody's fault but your own....
And let's get real....some of these JM's are going to be SUPER expensive.....if it's posted here are not....
IMHO....it's a mentality that is selfish as all hell.
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Post by jumbotom on May 1, 2006 13:22:53 GMT -5
If you want to help someone out with an auction link, the best way to do to shoot them an email or call them. If you post live auctions, oftentimes you're just hurting them.
A lot of times you get the following scenario.
Collector A sees a mislabled auction but isn't interested in it.
Collector B sees the same auction and will/can afford to pay five grand for it.
Collector C doesn't see the auction and will/can afford pay six grand for it.
If Collector A posts the auction while it's live, Collector C wins. If Collector A doesn't post the auction, Collector B wins.
Now maybe Collector A doesn't care about Collectors B and C, but sometimes Collector As THINK that they are helping Collector B (someone they know) when in fact they are helping Collector C (someone who just happens to see the link.)
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Post by jwm on May 1, 2006 16:01:26 GMT -5
It's a simple as this:
You find an auction for something you want.
For whatever reason the auction is going unnoticed.
You hope that:
A) the auction will continue to go unnoticed so that you can win the item at a good price.
B) the auction gets posted on several collectors' boards so that now you must compete with a zillion other collectors.
It's a small courtesy we try to extend to one another.
I got my DX Sazabi MISB for fifty bucks a couple years ago. If the auction had been posted here I wouldn't have got a MISB DX Sazbi for fifty bucks.
JWM
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Post by txjumbo on May 1, 2006 16:37:55 GMT -5
Sure...that is one way to look at it...But whose to say that you were not the ONLY person willing to give $50 at that EXACT time....
the simple fact is...nobody knows who is or is not looking at these things. Maybe you just got lucky even though other bidders were watching.
And lets get serious here....any "SERIOUS JM COLLECTOR" is ALWAYS checking out Ebay and the like....so I can't see how posting actually opens it up any more than it would without as all the die hard collectors check these places anyhow.
IMHO...it only holds the hobby back. By keeping auctions on nice items under wraps, you are also denying the guy that just got into the hobby and does not know where to look.
It would just be nice to have a site where true fans of JM could meet and talk JM's AND share information....
BUT....that's never been the case for years as far as I've seen.
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Post by sketcher on May 1, 2006 17:58:40 GMT -5
Sure...that is one way to look at it...But whose to say that you were not the ONLY person willing to give $50 at that EXACT time.... the simple fact is...nobody knows who is or is not looking at these things. Maybe you just got lucky even though other bidders were watching. And lets get serious here....any "SERIOUS JM COLLECTOR" is ALWAYS checking out Ebay and the like....so I can't see how posting actually opens it up any more than it would without as all the die hard collectors check these places anyhow. IMHO...it only holds the hobby back. By keeping auctions on nice items under wraps, you are also denying the guy that just got into the hobby and does not know where to look. It would just be nice to have a site where true fans of JM could meet and talk JM's AND share information.... BUT....that's never been the case for years as far as I've seen. Ease up a bit bro. Not everyone is always looking for a piece at a given time. Some items are missed by the way they are posted. Some are mislabeled, misspelled etc. If you are looking at a piece and hoping the price will end at a reasonable price, then someone posts it live in the forum, the price can skyrocket! It has nothing to do with how much money you are willing to pay for something. It's all about hoping you might save some of it. Peace! |
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Post by nekrodave on May 1, 2006 18:41:02 GMT -5
"The simple fact of the matter is that EVERY INDIVIDUAL has a set price they are willing to give for any given JM....IF you get beat out....that is nobody's fault but your own...."
So, you believe that if someone places a bid and is outbid by someone who didn't know about it until you told them, that you are not affecting the outcome of the auction? That's flat out delusional.
"IMHO....it's a mentality that is selfish as all hell."
Yeah, so? I look out for #1, first and foremost! Damn right.
But guess what? When I realise I can't make it happen for me, I THEN look out for others, PRIVATELY. Whereas people who post live auctions seem to not give a damn about anyone else. Like I said before, it's always people who aren't bidding who make the posts. If you don't have a stake in the auction, please just leave it alone to those who do.
I've NEVER seen anyone come to a BBS and say "Hey, everyone! Look what I'm bidding on! Wish me luck!". (And if anyone did do that, they must not really care about the item, or just be flat out stupid.) And that tells me that people know damn well that posting an auction will increase the price and decrease your (or others) chances of winning.
"And lets get serious here....any "SERIOUS JM COLLECTOR" is ALWAYS checking out Ebay and the like....so I can't see how posting actually opens it up any more than it would without as all the die hard collectors check these places anyhow."
Maybe if this item were listed as "Popy Jumbo Machinder Villain Garada K7", it would be less offensive (though I still wouldn't agree with it). Sure, everyone would see it then. But with it so poorly labelled, it gives the diligent searcher the upperhand. Only to have that advantage ruined by someone who doesn't have a stake in it.
"IMHO...it only holds the hobby back."
Do you follow Jumbo prices? If we're holding the hobby back, we sure as hell aren't doing a good enough job of it!
"By keeping auctions on nice items under wraps, you are also denying the guy that just got into the hobby and does not know where to look."
Why would you care more about Joe Schmoe who just arrived on the scene, then, say, Tom who's been looking for this forever and has given more to the hobby than practically this whole BBS combined? Would you rather a friend or a total stranger acquire his holy grail? Maybe it is elitist but I say consider the oldschoolers first and let the newbie pay his dues. And if you don't care either way, why possibly affect the auction outcome?
I don't know. I just can't see your logic, I'm afraid.
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Post by txjumbo on May 2, 2006 0:21:32 GMT -5
This is exactly the mentality I speak of. Of course you will be all over this topic as you were the ONE SINGLE poster that had a sh*t fit when I posted the Tryder G-7 auction.
Why would I "care about Joe Schmoe".....
Maybe because I know the feeling of grabbing a much coveted JM.....that feeling you get when you FINALLY get the one you have been wanting for years and years.....that's a GREAT feeling...a feeling that IMHO EVERY JM collector SHOULD have the opportunity to feel.
AND you are correct.....it is "eletist" in EVERY WAY! AND...you know it!
Really your entire post can be reduced down to one simple quote that sums up the mentality on posting auctions.
"Yeah, so? I look out for #1, first and foremost! Damn right."
And that's your own right to do so....but it's also my right to state that I think that kind of thinking is total BS!
I'm going to adhere to the elitist rules of the board, as it's clear I'm outnumbered on this topic....hell even the mods go along with it and take posts down at others request.....so I'm not rocking the boat by posting anything else.....but...I'm entitled to my own stance on this.
I'll always maintain it is total BS....
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Post by sketcher on May 2, 2006 0:42:39 GMT -5
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Post by JoshB on May 2, 2006 8:46:38 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is, that's the law of the land. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion - nobody is disputing that. But i'd say 90% of the board members and 100% of the admins agree on this policy.
personally, I work hard to find obscure auctions. And I work hard to keep my auctions private. The seasoned ebayer knows that there are a LOT of tricks to find auctions that have gotten missed. Once you have done all this work, it's only natural to get a little annoyed when some newbie announces it to the world. "LOOK WHAT I FOUND A RARE MEKANDA LOLOLOL". And you aren't even bidding on it!
Just try to see our point.
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Post by joweone on May 2, 2006 12:29:25 GMT -5
I agree with Dave on this bigtime.There is a group of JM collectors who help each other out but when it comes to certain pieces it is every man for himself....
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Post by txjumbo on May 2, 2006 12:34:00 GMT -5
I see your point....
I just do not agree with it.
But...really all of this is moot as I've repeated several times....that I am not going to post auctions.
It's just that...over the years I've been involved in many, many hobbies....and none more exciting IMO than JM collecting. However, at the same time....I have never seen a hobby so far removed from new fans....or so secretive. I honestly belive it holds the hobby back.
But...that's just my two cents. At the end of the day...it don't change a thing.
It's just that it's a shame that the hobby is so isolated.
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Post by KingboyD on May 2, 2006 15:30:13 GMT -5
Gotta chime in... When I was a newbie to collecting and the forums, I posted a link to a live auction over at TBDX, and got TOTALLY FLAMED by an old-timer. Many chimed in (on both sides), but after reading the arguments, I understood both sides, and respected the majority / accepted decision. Actually, I switched my stance, and realized (or came to the position) that I was wrong to have posted. I apologized for my actions, but I doubt that it made a difference. Everyone claimed that it was a long-standing, well known rule, but as a newbie, I was unfamiliar with it. It reportedly happened many times prior, and certainly has happened many times since. There are always discussions on how to educate members on the "rule," but nothing concrete ever comes from it (it was felt that Rules of Posting threads generally go unread). Anyway, I digress. Now that I am more ensconced in the hobby, I feel even more strongly about this. I spend countless hours each week surfing ebay and other sites for hard to find deals. It would really suck if I finally found one where I can finally afford to pick up a long coveted item, only to have many others alerted to it despite the lack of time and effort to properly research it themselves. If I put in the time, I should reap the benefits. One thing to keep in mind is that Jumbos seem to be more rare and expensive than other bots. Considering this, it is all the more critical that effort be rewarded. One extra bidder can cost the winner hundreds, if not thousands! If someone is really that interested, then they should do the research themselves. Why reward someone who is sitting on their arses when others are busting theirs to find that special item? Why shouldn't I think of myself first? And I don't really agree that the collectors in this hobby are holding it back. As a newbie, I've had many positive encounters with other collectors. I've seen more Jumbo collectors helping out others to find missing parts than I see with other collectible items. I think they're generally more gracious and appreciative of fellow collectors (not to say that other collectors are not nice!). For example, I often see people say they are just glad someone who buys their items are appreciative of the medium, even if they don't get top dollar. And many eat shipping costs, which almost always exceeds the estimate. Also, I've had other collectors contact me if they see I'm bidding on something they were considering. We discuss it, and see what we can do (i.e., not drive the price up on a bidding war). I've never had that experience with non-jumbo collectors. Anyway, just rambling, but I have been seeing a lot of live auction posting lately. But who am I to speak up, considering my past?  |
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Post by nekrodave on May 2, 2006 20:11:13 GMT -5
Just a couple more quick points regarding these comments: "Maybe because I know the feeling of grabbing a much coveted JM.....that feeling you get when you FINALLY get the one you have been wanting for years and years.....that's a GREAT feeling.." I agree. It's an amazing feeling, which I why I would never want to jeopardize it for anyone else by hurting their chances to make it happen. (Unless I'm outbidding them! ) "...a feeling that IMHO EVERY JM collector SHOULD have the opportunity to feel." Every collector DOES have the same opportunity. We're all connected to the same internet. No one has an advantage over anyone else that didn't arise through their own diligent, hard work. I think KingboyD summed it up pretty well. Posting a live auction punishes someone who has worked hard and rewards someone who didn't. |
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Post by boogeyman on May 10, 2006 6:58:25 GMT -5
you tried to join one?
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