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Post by rodman75 on Aug 11, 2012 23:30:59 GMT -5
Hello all,
To those familiar with this forum, I have no problem replacing broken or missing parts with reproduction parts. I'd rather have a perfect or near perfect Jumbo that's been repro'd in some way than a broken Jumbo in original condition.
I think the repro artists are phenomenal and do work that is indistiguishable from the original. That being said, I know that anything that is not 100% original can affect the value of a collectible.
My question is, how much? What do you guys think? Would you rather an original jumbo in inferior shape or a repro'd jumbo that looked like it was just removed from the box in 1978? If I were to sell a repro'd jumbo, I'd definitely inform the buyer as I'd want to be informed.
Let's get some dialogue going.......
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Post by truecrud on Aug 12, 2012 0:48:14 GMT -5
I don't think I would have a problem buying a repro'd jumbo. I think It would be amazing to have access to these rare jumbos in any form. I have a very limited jumbo budget and will probably never even see let alone own some of my grail jumbos. if I could get a repro of some of them for $200-$300 I would in a heart beat. I do agree that any potential buyer would have to be told though.
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Post by devoidofemotions on Aug 12, 2012 4:57:52 GMT -5
I would think that repro work lessen those complete JMs since now there is "choice" to buy broken/incomplete pieces and fix it up. On the other hand, i do see broken/incomplete pieces rise in their value..it use to be really worthless and no one is chasing the handless legless Jms...nowadays more people are buying them. So depends on which angle you are looking at it. I support repro work because I think it is good to give the broken ones a new life and let more people have the chance to collect a JM piece. If i ever sell one JM with repro parts, I will 1000% explain it all out to the buyer, I am sure the buyer will also appreciate that  |
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Post by bourno on Aug 12, 2012 19:35:01 GMT -5
I prefer having original parts when I can get them myself. But, as you know, I have made many repro parts in the last year and half.
I am sure when selling a jumbo and stating it has repro parts, it isn't going to command the same as original, even if those not as nice.
But, on more rare jumbos, just like my Combattler, there was no way I was going to buy another one just to have a nicer chest piece. Lucky for me, I had a fellow member loan me his piece in which I could make a very nice replacement piece.
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Post by willohio on Aug 13, 2012 13:24:57 GMT -5
I don't think that Repro parts lessen the value ... without the repro parts, those parts would be missing or damaged. And would sell for less. But Jumbos with repro'd parts would not sell for as much as the same Jumbo that was completely original. Which is a good thing for most of us here w/out the funds to get pristine or complete rare Popy/Clover/etc originals....
I can say we are fortunate to have the likes of Buorno, Kitsir, WTFunks, Illavada(Derik) and a few others whom are creating reproduction parts of a very high quality. And are intent on bringing the most accurate reproductions to us. And some are even doing custom parts which is extremely cool for those of us with multiples of the US~Shogun line. As we can make them a little more unique. Or we can more closely imitate the Popy look for those whom were stripped of the uniqueness in the translation across the pond...
~Will
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Post by lexcars2007 on Aug 13, 2012 20:13:58 GMT -5
The only problem I see with repro parts, is this, when you die, and your estate is sold off, will anyone know that their was repro parts added ? Me? I dont care if it is 100% repro, if I can get it for a better price, it give people with a lower income a chance to own greatness, It's not easy to pull 2,000.00 out of my pocket for a toy...and I know a lot will roll over in their grave for that, but my kids play with all the Jm's in my house, even my original Evel Knievel stunt cycle get taken to the driveway !!!! The truth is, the guy's making the repro parts are getting better, and it's getting harder to tell the difference. But I don't care, I'm in the process of re doing all the Jm line with a new company using blowmolds..and the such, I think they will have to have some slight changes..copyrights and all, and some of the villains that got their asses stomped on by our favorite super robots !!! Repro parts will lessen the value for a while, but in time, the ones that got reworked to their full glory, will go up in value too.....Because sad to say, but every year great toys get thrown in the trash !!!!! I have gotten hold of thousand of rare toys that were thrown away.Guy who make the parts...KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.
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Post by 1oldrobot on Aug 13, 2012 20:58:40 GMT -5
im not sure repro parts are getting better and better. there arent many people doing repo parts, but as for better, that would pretty much be left to the materials used. the resins used and the molding processes are the limitations. i think the materials used for current repros would have been possible 20 years ago. as for the molding process itself, that process has been the same for a long time. repro pieces certainly dont increase value, but they dont replace the value of lost pieces. 100% repro in terms of something that follows the original process (blow molding) is awesome. id buy them all before the company folded. to be able to tell the difference in a repro part is pretty easy. i dont know if you work with plastics regularly or not, or if you have a lot of repro pieces, but you can tell the difference right away by looking at the inside of the casting, by the weight, and by the material itself, overall. again, not to knock repro at all, but shoot a repro fist down some concrete stairs and youll see the difference pretty quick.
how are you going to repro the line without the originals? if youve got someone to sculpt them, that is a nice situation to have. if they are issued by a toy company and carry the same character name as the original, i think you will have some bumps in the road. one being a proper company simply would not issue them. 2, even if you switch up the design 25% (well above and beyond copyright protection laws) and still call it "Hasami Jaguar" or "Tetsujin" youll receive a cease and desist order. these copyrights are not only owned by the toy companies (they hold some of the EXCLUSIVE toy manufacturing rights), but are also held by media companies like Toei, in alliance with other companies. garage kits are probably the only way to do this without getting into some trouble. but if you make it to that point, like i said, id buy them all in duplicate.
i dont see a japanese company EVER giving any foreign toy company independent manufacturing rights. in japan, the toy biz is almost a monopoly by bandai (which is also about 10 other subsidiary companies). those that are free from bandai still have to get the nod of approval for a lot of the stuff they make like marmit, etc.
a great example of how bandai DOES act swiftly with cease and desist orders is the "fully licensed" Most Wanted GDX Box Set of GaiKing. they manufacture for bandai, etc. and had licensing to issue the line. the only changes made were the actual size of the bandai supplied designs and the packaging. the line was ceased immediately after release. anyone here got that set, btw? awesome toy. bandai stomped that one into the ground instantly.
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