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Post by gingaio on Mar 17, 2015 2:34:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the pics, Anubis. I can't wait to get mine. The comparison pic of the profiles, in particular, emphasize how much nicer the sculpting is on this guy than on the CMs version. I mean, Jeeg is a goofy design to begin with, but the CMs sculpt exaggerates the goofiness, and this version manages to downplay it. I didn't expect the size difference either...an added bonus, it seems.
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Post by reVolVer on Mar 17, 2015 3:31:29 GMT -5
Im wondering if this jeeg will get the panzeroid and the option parts..im gonna check if parts are interchangeable today regardless.. i didnt get CMs Jeeg.. even though it has diecast goodness and its a great figure..they also included Panzeroid, but is sadly made of plastic, so i felt it was overpriced. thankfully, now here comes ZPRO/Action toys Jeeg which is also diecast and costs less than half the price of CMs, but it doesnt have Panzeroid. i hope Zpro will also make its own panzeroid.. if they also consider Big shooter..it will be a bonus. theres an upcoming Evo toys Panzeroid.. but i wonder if it will fit...  |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 17, 2015 7:08:34 GMT -5
The CM's Jeeg comes with a lot more than Panzeroid. I keep seeing post of folks that only focus on the horse, but the CM's set is sooo much more.  }| |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 17, 2015 7:12:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the pics, Anubis. I can't wait to get mine. The comparison pic of the profiles, in particular, emphasize how much nicer the sculpting is on this guy than on the CMs version. I mean, Jeeg is a goofy design to begin with, but the CMs sculpt exaggerates the goofiness, and this version manages to downplay it. I didn't expect the size different either...an added bonus, it seems. Nothing to do with "goofiness". CM's Jeeg is more anime accurate, which is very important for a lot of collectors. ZPro's Jeeg is nice, but not as accurate in it's proportions.  }D |
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Post by anubis20 on Mar 17, 2015 8:06:09 GMT -5
The CM's Jeeg comes with a lot more than Panzeroid. I keep seeing post of folks that only focus on the horse, but the CM's set is sooo much more. }| Agreed, the CM's does come with more but its also reflected in the price. If you own both some accessories could be used like the round spikey shields  I for one am not a fan of Panzeroid so im fine with not having it. I would like new sky, earth, and marine parts for the ZPRO Jeeg. Thanks for the pics, Anubis. I can't wait to get mine. The comparison pic of the profiles, in particular, emphasize how much nicer the sculpting is on this guy than on the CMs version. I mean, Jeeg is a goofy design to begin with, but the CMs sculpt exaggerates the goofiness, and this version manages to downplay it. I didn't expect the size different either...an added bonus, it seems. Nothing to do with "goofiness". CM's Jeeg is more anime accurate, which is very important for a lot of collectors. ZPro's Jeeg is nice, but not as accurate in it's proportions. }D Jeeg's animation varied and I cant say CM's was more anime accurate. The feet are definitely not accurate on the CM's, the forearms were not as fat either as seen on the show at least in some scenes.  Its just like Gakeen in the anime he definitely was not as pudgy and squat as CM's made the figure. But again animation varied a lot in these older shows and its a matter of perception. Is there an official lineart that maybe could be deemed as the source for CM's design? |
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Post by reVolVer on Mar 17, 2015 8:12:13 GMT -5
The CM's Jeeg comes with a lot more than Panzeroid. I keep seeing post of folks that only focus on the horse, but the CM's set is sooo much more. }| its the most visible accessory CMs jeeg thats included, so i think its just normal to primary focus on it. Zpro also has that drill and bazooka part, so that leaves the buckler shield, lance and transforming head as parts that CMs offers more. i wont argue that its cool to have them all though. |
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Post by reVolVer on Mar 17, 2015 8:22:29 GMT -5
the CM's does come with more but its also reflected in the price. the figure smaller than GX-01 and does not transform, with same (or less) number or amount of accessory as SOC Tryder G7.. priced more than half.. i dare say its overpriced. yeah we might say CMs/ Arcadia are not big as Bandai, but then again who the hell is Zpro anyway compared with CMs or Yamato-Arcadia.. hehehe.. i think its about time companies should took notice in how much they would value thier toys. if it falls on deaf ears, then so be it. |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 17, 2015 9:11:00 GMT -5
The CM's Jeeg comes with a lot more than Panzeroid. I keep seeing post of folks that only focus on the horse, but the CM's set is sooo much more. }| Agreed, the CM's does come with more but its also reflected in the price. If you own both some accessories could be used like the round spikey shields I for one am not a fan of Panzeroid so im fine with not having it. I would like new sky, earth, and marine parts for the ZPRO Jeeg. Nothing to do with "goofiness". CM's Jeeg is more anime accurate, which is very important for a lot of collectors. ZPro's Jeeg is nice, but not as accurate in it's proportions. }D Jeeg's animation varied and I cant say CM's was more anime accurate. The feet are definitely not accurate on the CM's, the forearms were not as fat either as seen on the show at least in some scenes. Its just like Gakeen in the anime he definitely was not as pudgy and squat as CM's made the figure. But again animation varied a lot in these older shows and its a matter of perception. Is there an official lineart that maybe could be deemed as the source for CM's design? The screen capture says it all. The Zpro Jeeg looks nothing like those proportions. It is too thin. CM's Jeeg sculpt is more consistant, even with its ugly feet - which aldo vary in the show. But what doesn't vary is that Jeeg was chubby. }D |
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Post by anubis20 on Mar 17, 2015 9:33:58 GMT -5
Agreed, the CM's does come with more but its also reflected in the price. If you own both some accessories could be used like the round spikey shields I for one am not a fan of Panzeroid so im fine with not having it. I would like new sky, earth, and marine parts for the ZPRO Jeeg. Jeeg's animation varied and I cant say CM's was more anime accurate. The feet are definitely not accurate on the CM's, the forearms were not as fat either as seen on the show at least in some scenes. Its just like Gakeen in the anime he definitely was not as pudgy and squat as CM's made the figure. But again animation varied a lot in these older shows and its a matter of perception. Is there an official lineart that maybe could be deemed as the source for CM's design? The screen capture says it all. The Zpro Jeeg looks nothing like those proportions. It is too thin. CM's Jeeg sculpt is more consistant, even with its ugly feet - which aldo vary in the show. But what doesn't vary is that Jeeg was chubby. }D At least im not alone thinking the feet are ugly  |
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Post by gingaio on Mar 17, 2015 12:54:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the pics, Anubis. I can't wait to get mine. The comparison pic of the profiles, in particular, emphasize how much nicer the sculpting is on this guy than on the CMs version. I mean, Jeeg is a goofy design to begin with, but the CMs sculpt exaggerates the goofiness, and this version manages to downplay it. I didn't expect the size different either...an added bonus, it seems. Nothing to do with "goofiness". CM's Jeeg is more anime accurate, which is very important for a lot of collectors. ZPro's Jeeg is nice, but not as accurate in it's proportions. }D Well, the 70s anime proportions were pretty goofy to begin with, which is why being anime accurate only emphasizes the goofiness. Looking at Anubis' screencap, and comparing the two toy Jeegs, the head and forearms on the CMs version actually look more exaggerated and less 'accurate' (CMs' forearms are fatter and the eyes are smaller than they should be). I don't care about 100% anime accuracy, but if your point is that CMs is more 'accurate,' well...in some ways it is, and in some ways it's not--it's CMs' stylized interpretation of the anime design, which probably changed from frame to frame. The thing that's appealing to me about modern toys is that they're NOT proportioned to be as close as possible to the source material. Whenever I see clips of childhood cartoons I loved, I'm reminded of how badly drawn the characters were in a lot of the episodes. If anime accuracy were the sole criteria, we'd have GX-01s shaped like this: img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091207021160/mazingerzgreatkaiser/images/9/92/Mazingerz02.jpgBy and large, modern toys aren't like that. If you have an SOC collection, aesthetically, the ZPro will probably fit in better. |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 17, 2015 14:16:35 GMT -5
Let's just agree to disagree. I don't want to turn this thread into a silly debate. We all have different opinions on what is correct or not. }D |
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Post by B- on Mar 17, 2015 16:36:19 GMT -5
People should own both versions of toys before they debate what is better.That is the problem with alot of collectors.Reminds me of Getter Shadow {Gone} he constantly defended how HLPro stuff was the best yet never owned an SOC or any other gokins for that matter.
People like to say one version is better because its the one they own,or decided to buy,which is silly.
I own both,I agree with The MazingerZ CMs is better,but the Z-Pro one has its good points,they are both very close as far as quality.Its a matter of opinion.But you cant say which is better til you own both,even then,you may play favorites as to which is your favorite company etc.
Again TMZ and I own both,or he is soon to own both,so you really ahve to have both in hand to say which is better,closer to anime,etc etc.
they are both great versions of teh figure BUT they are SO similar,it really doesnt matter which you own,if ist to be your soul Jeeg.
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Post by gingaio on Mar 17, 2015 18:12:13 GMT -5
People should own both versions of toys before they debate what is better. When it comes to robot toys for adults, "better" sometimes simply come down to looks. You may be thinking diecast heft, quality of joints, accessories, and so forth, but I never mentioned those qualities. What if my criteria for "better" in this case is that one Jeeg looks better than the other? There may be times when you need to have two figures in hand to see which one is built better, but the first time I saw a pic of the CMs/Arcadia Jeeg, I knew I would never buy it (because of the face and the proportions). If ZPro didn't come out with its Jeeg, I wouldn't have a toy of this character. I'd rather have nothing than the CMs figure. That's why ZPro's Jeeg is better...because it's better than nothing. And I really didn't need to buy both figures just to wave my otaku flag and say, "Hey, I ponied up another $300 to get both figures so I can talk smack about them and you can't!" I'm not sure why people are so sensitive to my saying the CMs Jeeg looks goofy. If you feel differently, great for you. There's another thread that celebrates the genius of the CMs Jeeg. And no need to bring in irrelevant points (playing favorites with companies)...CMs' Goshogun is one of my favorite diecasts, and I don't know anything about ZPro/Action Toys. Anyway, I've collected this stuff for a long time, and I've never been told I have to own a figure to have an opinion about the way it looks. That's new. And strange. |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 17, 2015 18:34:38 GMT -5
No. I agree with Baron 100%. If someone does not have, or at least is able to put their hands on - and experience a figure (or anything for that matter), his or her opinion are irrelevant. Going on someone else's review or opinion is not a valid point of view, no matter who does the reviews. Folks can like the item, but if they haven't experienced it for real, that is about the extent of their knowledge on said item. Wow, this is getting too serious for my taste. I've said what I had to, so I'm done here. }D |
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Post by gingaio on Mar 17, 2015 18:42:16 GMT -5
No. I agree with Baron 100%. If someone does not have, or at least is able to put their hands on - and experience a figure (or anything for that matter), his or her opinion are irrelevant. }D You're making this sound like fine dining, a sports car, or a relationship. I can assure you, these things a shelf-displayed action figure is not. |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 17, 2015 21:28:58 GMT -5
Drop it please. It is what it is, even if you like it or not.
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Post by gingaio on Mar 17, 2015 21:41:07 GMT -5
Every time I respond to one of your points, instead of responding back, you say, "Oh, this is a silly debate!" or "Drop it." This really isn't how conversations tend to go, you know?
Also, I thought you were done here.
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Post by B- on Mar 17, 2015 21:41:22 GMT -5
No. I agree with Baron 100%. If someone does not have, or at least is able to put their hands on - and experience a figure (or anything for that matter), his or her opinion are irrelevant. }D You're making this sound like fine dining, a sports car, or a relationship. I can assure you, these things a shelf-displayed action figure is not. Oh i completely disagree..I've owned sports cars... a corvette... 20000 $ ww2 uniforms etc etc and I take my figures just as if not more serious than those things.You can't put $ on what you value most.Not about how much an item is how it tastes or looks that makes it have value..its how dear it is to you. |
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Post by B- on Mar 17, 2015 21:44:32 GMT -5
Every time I respond to one of your points, instead of responding back, you say, "Oh, this is a silly debate!" or "Drop it." This really isn't how conversations tend to go, you know? Also, I thought you were done here. maybe he doesn't wish to continue conversing with you.BTW I was talking about looks when it comes to the jeegs and you still need both in hand to tell how they look in 3d..in reality. |
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Post by gingaio on Mar 17, 2015 21:47:06 GMT -5
You're making this sound like fine dining, a sports car, or a relationship. I can assure you, these things a shelf-displayed action figure is not. Oh i completely disagree..I've owned sports cars... a corvette... 20000 $ ww2 uniforms etc etc and I take my figures just as if not more serious than those things.You can't put $ on what you value most.Not about how much an item is how it tastes or looks that makes it have value..its how dear it is to you. You know, you don't have to start every post by telling everyone about the supah awesome schwag you own. I believe you. You're a toy gangsta and pimp supreme. Anyway, the reason I brought up sports cars in relation to toys is that cars and food have an experiential component that are crucial to appreciating them (that's what you and the other guy have been saying about toys). But I think that while toys can also be enjoyed through handling, that's not always a requirement. Hence, you have collectors who put their stuff on a shelf and don't touch them. And if you read my response to your post, that's pretty much what I was saying. And if you don't get it, then there's nothing I can say to help you. |
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