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Post by S_Gokin on Apr 8, 2016 9:49:20 GMT -5
the old drawing isn't that awful they didn't have ton of technology like they do now but still they gives us ageless shows, honestly you are the first person i know who say that he don't like classic super robots anime, the transformation sequence does matter because you want to figure to be exactly like it was in the anime, i know sometimes they use anime magic to do it in the anime but its for sure a huge plus if the figure transformation is like the anime i understand the pricing factor but sometimes you pay a little extra for the quality for example HL Pro Grendizer and the SRC Grendizer the SRC is a bit more expensive but its well worth it for the quality and for the things you get with it whats the point of you have a good looking figure that you cant touch because you are afraid it will break or something ? these are figures not statues you should be able to move them and pose them freely then simply you are a casual collector regarding the classic super robots, nostalgia play a huge factor in this hobby regardless what you are collecting because simply you are collecting your childhood memories
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Apr 8, 2016 10:44:31 GMT -5
Don't push S_Gokin, please. Not everybody collects the same stuff, but even the people that do might do it for different reasons. Take me for example, I was born in the 90's, classic super robots were long gone by then and neither of my parents watched those shows, so when I found out about them I was an adult already.
And still, classic Japanese super robots are my favourite kind of robot, and I'm concentrating my collecting efforts on them. Not because of nostalgia, but because I think they're cool. I like the colors, the theme songs, the absurd attacks and combination sequences, the heroes and the villains, the fact that they didn't use cheap CGI anywhere (well, it didn't exist at the time). You get the idea. But no nostalgia at all, right now it's my first time watching these shows and I like them for what they are, that's the only reason.
That's not the case for supergetterv, but that's ok too, he likes transformers more than golden age SRs, that's his choice. A choice influenced by nostalgia, nonetheless, just like your love for Grendizer, Astroganger and others.
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Post by supergetterv on Apr 8, 2016 11:22:13 GMT -5
As I've said before, I don't care for anime accuracy on old anime cartoons. They were never part of my childhood. Does it offend you in some way that I am a casual collector? And so, casual collectors can't enjoy collecting chogokin? Can I not buy these toys because they aren't from my childhood. And how do you come to the conclusion that just because I Don't know or care to know about these old characters That I am afraid to play with these toys? I don't just buy the toy and throw them behind glass and get all afraid to touch them. These are toys to me nonetheless. I take a little more care, cause they are expensive. But afraid to touch them I am not. I follow the instructions and directions, toys don't usually break , but if the toys still ends up breaking, then it's probably a pile of sh*t to begin with. With Bandai quality and track record, it doesn't happen much.
In case you skipped over, Here it is again, I primarily collect Transformers and even with their masterpiece line, the transformation sequences are nothing like the cartoon. Which is why I am not bothered by things following the anime sequence. It isn't that important to me. Transformation engineering, where things tab and lock in place making sense is more important. Fun and intuitive transformation, I welcome. My bottom line is, how good does it look in alternate mode and how good does it look in robot mode. This may sound contradictive, As far as anime accuracy for modern anime, yeah, I like my figure to capture the modern look cause the technology is there now. If anything, I want my toys to surpass and be better than the anime model. I like modern animes. Stuff like Gravion, Godannar, Gurren Lagann I like. Stuff like Shin Getter from Getter Armageddon, Mazinkaiser and Maizinkaiser SKL is why reason why I take a liking to MazingerZ and Getters. In preference, for those two robots, I like them to look more like the modern animation model versus the old drawing from the 70's. In the transformers community, there are always collectors that screams for cartoon accuracy. But I for one don't want my modern day figures to look too much like the 85 cartoon. Cause those cartoons are dated and poor by today's standard. Now Teansformers I can be Nostalgic about because it's from my childhood. Some old vintage G1 toys like Soundwave, I like and have in my collection. But in general, I don't want these new release to look too much like the old cartoon.
Back to chogokin, when it comes to older characters, If you care to watch some YouTube reviewer, you will see there are lots of casual collectors like me that buy these toys and know nothing about them. We casual buyer buy them cause they look good, have money to spend, outside of what we usually buy and lastly cause it's a good toy to have. My wish list to Bandai for the SoC line is for more modern Super Robots. Stuff that I've actually seen from the 1990's on up would be appreciated.
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Post by S_Gokin on Apr 8, 2016 19:59:23 GMT -5
i wont call that pushing MF i totally understand that we have our different opinions and thoughts about our collection, but you just dont say i dont know that robot or i dont like its design so bandai shouldn't make it ! i found it odd honestly specially when you didn't even watch the show even if you don't like the drawing of that era you gotta know to at least have a valid opinion and most of the new CGI shows are awful in my opinion why you are taking it aggressively ? lol no it doesn't offend me or bother me at all, you can collect soap bars if you like i wont care that's not my point of view with you, my point was you criticized some characters without even knowing their story or how famous they are and dont twist my words, you said the soc Dancouga was expensive for a robot you dont know, i said sometimes you pay that little extra for the quality you just dont buy a cheap good looking figure of the same character because the quality wont be the same transformers transformation use what i told you in my previous post which is anime magic so they come up with something close to it, and without those classic animes we wont have the modern ones so what you are saying sounded like that the Mona Lisa is dated and poor by today's standers which is very wrong in my opinion back in the day they didn't have anything and yet they created something ageless, Mazinger Z is 44 years old and people still remember him like the show was aired yesterday, they didn't say oh no thats an old show and its outdated and poor in my opinion with robots in general its not the case of Ironman new year new suit no they try to do a minor update and that's it because huge updates are not always welcome look to Grendizer Giga no one that i know like him i honestly never watched a review where a reviewer say i got this but i don't know any thing about it again this is your wish list and its different than others
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Post by bader on Apr 8, 2016 21:04:41 GMT -5
People have different choices and opinions etc...
As for Astroganger I did wrote him in my wishlist, but I don't think Bandai will make this happen lol, but if they do then I'll buy him for sure. I loved him as a kid and still do.
The wishlist is wishlist and nothing more.
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Post by supergetterv on Apr 8, 2016 21:49:22 GMT -5
why you are taking it aggressively ? lol no it doesn't offend me or bother me at all, you can collect soap bars if you like i wont care that's not my point of view with you, my point was you criticized some characters without even knowing their story or how famous they are and dont twist my words, you said the soc Dancouga was expensive for a robot you dont know, i said sometimes you pay that little extra for the quality you just dont buy a cheap good looking figure of the same character because the quality wont be the same transformers transformation use what i told you in my previous post which is anime magic so they come up with something close to it, and without those classic animes we wont have the modern ones I delete quite a bit from your response cause there are lots that I just don't want to respond to or discuss about. Discussions are good. Hey, I don't expect people to like the same things that I do. Everyone's collections should be unique, and collectors should Pursue items that fit their collection. I enjoy the hobby and will continue to do so. I will stop when I no longer find it worth my time and when I no longer enjoy it. Yes I criticized a robot that I don't know. And I don't like one thing about it. Why is that wrong? I don't find anything wrong with that at all. Am I to expect the kids of today to like the old Nintendo games that I played? No. Also, nothing wrong with disliking things of the past that are dated. You are allowed to do that you know. Metal Gear Solid for the PlayStation was one of my best video game experience. But for me to play this game again, I can't. Cause the graphics are dated and I don't mind it if people find it ugly. Compared to the stuff they can do now, the graphics do suck. Reason why they are remaking Final Fantasy VII. I totally ignore your ramblings on Dancouga in my reply. Cause I'm done explaining to you why I'm not buying it. Has nothing to do with paying more for quality. I just choose to buy something else, other things I rather have in my collection versus that, cause I am not stuck with collecting only chogokins. It isn't about price/Qualily. $500-$600 I would rather use it on a 3P Transformers, something I am familiar with. 600$ on a Japanese super robot that I know nothing of, that's not gonna happen. This isn't about paying more for quality. Mona Lisa, I don't even know how to respond to that. I am sure lots of people have called it ugly. Can a painting be out dated, some people may think so. Not that I care though and I wouldn't take offense to it. And who's to say that without classic animes, we wouldn't get modern ones. Big presumption there and logically that doesn't make much sense. Animation cartoons I would presume would happen in Japan. At point in time when they exist, would they be considered modern?
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Post by greengetterguy on Apr 9, 2016 0:32:17 GMT -5
Its cool that everyones different. everyone has a different collection. embrace and encourage the difference. It makes this spaceship Earth fun to live in.
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Post by reVolVer on Apr 9, 2016 7:19:48 GMT -5
ofcourse robot animes that was shown will vary in each region or country.. thats why some are either popular, or the opposite.. were not known in Italy, Midde East, North America or Southeast Asia.. so u flashback urself to thirty, twenty plus years ago hehehe... will more than likely missed some fabulous robots as a kid. but I think in this day and age.. buying a robot figure u know nothing about will never be a big problem. U can always browse the net to get familiar with lots of classic robot series.. just do urself a favor and google wiki, youtube, etc.. I have watched classic robot animes as an adult ive never seen before or not aired in my region when i was a kid like Reideen, Danguard Ace, Zambot 3, Gaiking, etc.. but came to like them and became one of my faves.. to the point of me wanting to buy a chogokin counterpart for it. that is usually the start of having a super robot collection. BTW.. im also a huge Transformers fan.. and half of my collection are Transformers. lets enjoy the hobby.
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Post by S_Gokin on Apr 9, 2016 14:54:50 GMT -5
why you dont want to respond ? you deleted the key points man it was suppose to end this discussion lol, you should respond to it in order to have a decent conversation btw you dont have to quite all of it just delete the post and keep my avatar so i know that you quoted me i will make it as simple as i can do, you cant criticize a restaurant without eating in it so your criticism will be based on a true experience not on feelings, same with robots anime HOLD UP you know most of the hardcore gamers actually prefers the old games not the new ones, and no one find MG ugly at all, in mater of fact when Konami did an HD version for Playstation 3 it was a hit again, also the thing with new games even with the 1080p definition you find ton and ton of glitches so that take the fun out of the game, some games are basically a glitch with a mini game in it (Tomb Rider) and that FF XII remake will be an epic thing to have here is my point ones again, your nostalgia is driving you to buy Transformers that you know and grow up watching rather than a super robot that you don't know anything about the Mona Lisa point was supposed to make you speechless only trolls find it ugly its the world most famous and most expensive painting, painting is art and art don't age, in matter of fact its get better with age i said it, every thing have a beginning and with anime it begin with Mangas then classic anime, just like the super robots era started with Mazinger z with classic anime they used hand drawing that's why you see the proportion differ from scene to scene and episode to episode because they used different artistes, while in the modern anime they are using compute and ton of CGI from your posts i know now you are not a fan of the classic things, which is totally normal for me im all about classic things, things that were made with true passion for me i watched the main robots i guess i only missed Voltes and Getter robo i never said its wrong to buy a robot you dont know or dont care to watch, my point was the judgment on things you didnt watch is not fair thats it lets enjoy the healthy diecast
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Post by chogokinsnake on Apr 9, 2016 16:12:50 GMT -5
Everyone buy and collect things with their own reason. We can share them. Like it or not, we should never force their idea to others
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Post by supergetterv on Apr 9, 2016 16:42:42 GMT -5
why you dont want to respond ? you deleted the key points man it was suppose to end this discussion lol, you should respond to it in order to have a decent conversation btw you dont have to quite all of it just delete the post and keep my avatar so i know that you quoted me i will make it as simple as i can do, you cant criticize a restaurant without eating in it so your criticism will be based on a true experience not on feelings, same with robots anime HOLD UP you know most of the hardcore gamers actually prefers the old games not the new ones, and no one find MG ugly at all, in mater of fact when Konami did an HD version for Playstation 3 it was a hit again, also the thing with new games even with the 1080p definition you find ton and ton of glitches so that take the fun out of the game, some games are basically a glitch with a mini game in it (Tomb Rider) and that FF XII remake will be an epic thing to have here is my point ones again, your nostalgia is driving you to buy Transformers that you know and grow up watching rather than a super robot that you don't know anything about the Mona Lisa point was supposed to make you speechless only trolls find it ugly its the world most famous and most expensive painting, painting is art and art don't age, in matter of fact its get better with age i said it, every thing have a beginning and with anime it begin with Mangas then classic anime, just like the super robots era started with Mazinger z with classic anime they used hand drawing that's why you see the proportion differ from scene to scene and episode to episode because they used different artistes, while in the modern anime they are using compute and ton of CGI from your posts i know now you are not a fan of the classic things, which is totally normal for me im all about classic things, things that were made with true passion for me i watched the main robots i guess i only missed Voltes and Getter robo i never said its wrong to buy a robot you dont know or dont care to watch, my point was the judgment on things you didnt watch is not fair thats it lets enjoy the healthy diecast Lots of people criticizes a restaurant prior to eating there. This has nothing to do with fairness. I do that cause that just the way I am. Ugly old beat up restaurant, if people walk by it, there are reason to that. And that reason is usually my reason. Food could be the best thing ever but few would care to know because lots of people do judge a book by it cover. Reality isn't fair. Prettier girls get a bigger loaf of bread from the bakery because that's how the world works. So I am not a hardcore gamer. I didn't claim to be. My point was HD remake happen cause them old graphic sucks and is dated, my opinion. I still have the original psx copy of the game somewhere. Last time I booted it up, was probably after I finished MGS 2 on the PlayStation 2. That was maybe 2001-2002. Couldn't play it cause them polygon graphics, it just sucks. Couldn't stomach it no more and it just kills any great memories I have about it. Even the GameCube remake version of Metal Gear Solid feel dated to me now. Ever talk to kids, younger kids, young gamers. Asks them how they feel about them old PlayStation games. My buddies, lots of cousins, most still have the old game systems. My experience, in talking with young cousin, cousins children, buddies children, pretty much all of them don't like them old games. They have their game system, and they have their music. So I side with the group of trolls in regards to the Mona Lisa and old classical art. It isn't like I woke one day and decided old classical stuff sucks. I've learned about some of it and I don't like. Old Anime movies and series, I've watch some and I don't like it. To me, the past is in the past. Their are great memories there. I don't dwell in the past, and I don't like to press or preach to people how great it is. I am Not the type of guy that claims my generation is better than your. As for collecting super robots, I would rather have the next Gurren Lagann as opposed to some old super robot that hasn't been made or where there is no modern rendition.
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Post by chogokinsnake on Apr 9, 2016 17:03:50 GMT -5
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Post by S_Gokin on Apr 9, 2016 23:44:14 GMT -5
then those people criticism is not valid at all if they didn't personally eat there then its just talking, some restaurants are over 50 years old and if they were ugly or beat up like you said they wont stay in the businesses that long at all for me personally only shallow people judge a book by its title and that's was in 1999s welcome to 2016 where business come first even if the girl looked like an angel and no HD remakes because of many reasons first the gaming industry is ruining out of ideas and they want to milk every thing out to last drop possible even old releases, also its a tool used to attract more people to the game you got a point that the graphics are not good comparing to today standers, but that doesn't make those old games are ugly or awful by any chance for me personally my little bro is 12 years and he enjoy most of my ps1 and ps2 games more than ps3, i also know couple of people who still play games on their ps1 its about the enjoyment not to mention the PC gamers i know who put simulators in their system to play old games from multiple consoles as fans we want to see that, but actually some writers believes that there is no need to do a modern rendition for their old work because it ended the best possible way and they don't want to touch that
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Post by mrclean08 on Apr 13, 2016 21:16:21 GMT -5
1. SOC Albegas 2. SOC Albegas 3. SOC Albegas 4. SOC Albegas 5. SOC Albegas 6. SOC Albegas 7. SOC Albegas 8. SOC Albegas 9. SOC Albegas 10. SOC Golion
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Post by S_Gokin on Apr 13, 2016 21:26:21 GMT -5
1. SOC Albegas 2. SOC Albegas 3. SOC Albegas 4. SOC Albegas 5. SOC Albegas 6. SOC Albegas 7. SOC Albegas 8. SOC Albegas 9. SOC Albegas 10. SOC Golion so you want a release for every dimension
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Post by mrclean08 on Apr 17, 2016 11:45:00 GMT -5
1. SOC Albegas 2. SOC Albegas 3. SOC Albegas 4. SOC Albegas 5. SOC Albegas 6. SOC Albegas 7. SOC Albegas 8. SOC Albegas 9. SOC Albegas 10. SOC Golion so you want a release for every dimension Haha! My answer is a little biased because I'm obsessed with Albegas. I think I would literally faint and hit my head if Bandai announced an SOC version ever.
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 8, 2017 0:03:57 GMT -5
thank you Bandai for giving us the GX-71 Golion and the GX-72 Daizyujin now please focus on this list 1-AstroGanger 2-Bismarck 3-Golion (Voltron)4-Jehuty 5-Albegas 6-Big Dai X 7-Zanda Cross
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Post by faelon on Feb 8, 2017 2:31:58 GMT -5
Look at some of the lists that we have been asking for, forever. Look how many have suddenly started to turn up. the long begged for SOC GoLion! And it's PERFECTION! We have a perfect SOC Daizyujin/Megazord up next. A DX Combatler V followed by a DX Grendizer. Likely a SOC Mazinkaiser followed by a SOC Jeeg. Maybe a SOC Brave GGG Chouryujin. We see signs of a Bandai SOC Gordion. We even have ET starting to make Die Cast robots and starting with a Dai Appolon. We are seemingly moving into our best year f Robot collecting ever, and its only February. Rejoice! It suddenly seems like we will eventually get everything we desire, Robot wise. Even the more tightly wound and crazy among us who have more specialized needs.
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Post by Watari on Feb 8, 2017 4:05:45 GMT -5
I just wish this guy can get some gokin love. CM's Corp version doesn't count, plastic
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Post by faelon on Feb 8, 2017 9:32:27 GMT -5
I just wish this guy can get some gokin love. CM's Corp version doesn't count, plastic I think 5pro studio has one in development. He was in that painted poster they showed off a few weeks ago.
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