Palasides Question

[Kidchuckle]

Baron Kazza.. their take on it, Parts of the leg and a few other places I noticed were hollow.. like pretty thin. As a kid I don't remember the plastic or the shell being so thin.. Is this my imagination?? like how close is their version to the original?

[jalien]

when these first got released i remember alot of complaints,weak magnets and firing springs poor quality plastic and some of the toys were broken before they were put on the shelfs......and the old baron was alot more heavy duty then the new ones at least the ones i have held.

[hypnotator]

I have a vintage Karza and the two transparent Pallisades ones to compare. The fact that the quality is inferior on the latter is immediately noticeable. Heads that don't screw properly onto the metal neck ball, so the head sits too high, metal pins that slide out of the legs when they should be glued in place. The transparent red Karza's fists do not stay in place. The catches don't engage so the fists fire across the room when you try to put them in. I used a couple of transparent rubber bands, that came with new Star Wars figures, around his wrists, and now the fists stay in. They look lovely, though, and I never expected to own transparent Karzas. I wouldn't buy a black reissue, though, when vintage ones are not too expensive and they are made so much better.

[johnnyhaggis]

The Karza figure is bad but tolerable - the real catastrophe is his horse Andromeda. Within 10 minutes, mine had broken three legs, which are now glued. It's make of translucent red toilet paper, it's unimaginably awful. It looks cool, but not with three broken legs. You need to loosen and tighten the screws on the horses neck each time you want to either put the horse head on or Karza's body.

To keep the fists less trigger happy, you need to loosen (or tighten, I forget) the screws on Karza's forearms.

[hypnotator]

Now you mention it, my red Andromeda had two rear left calves, and one leg broke when I breathed on it.

[Kidchuckle]

ouch... thanks for the info guys... Sounds like I'll pick up the vintage at some point.. either that or a black Jeeg!

[gothica23]

Here's another quick question for you palisades experts. Are the parts for the palisades version interchangable with the vintage stuff?

Cheers.

[KingboyD]

I never owned the vintage Baron Karza, but I picked up the Palisades version, and man, am I upset. As mentioned by others, mine seems to have all the flaws mentioned (fists do not stay in place, Baron torso does not attach to the steed without adjusting the screws and forcing it in, etc.), but mine ha one additional flaw - it came with two of the same fist (I don't recall if it was the right or left)!!! I don't know if the seller switched it, but I suspect it could have been another Palisades error. I can't believe that a company can produce such a crappy item with a clear conscience. They obviously need a better QA/QC department. I rarely complain about toys, but this one is just plain bad.

I never tried adjusting screws on the arms to keep the fists in - I'll have to try that. I was thinking of putting some type of putty on them. Thanks for the tip.

[GUYx1]

The vintage toys were much more heavy duty than these new figures. Even the Red Falcon BOOTLEGS from the early 1990's are more durable.

I noticed many problems with all the figures from this toyline. cracks in the plastic (while still boxed or carded) 2 right hands, 2 right forearms. Floppy joints.

Almost made me have GOOD thoughts about the 80's Hour Toy INTERCHANGABLES toyline. A good chunk of those toys were really light weight plastic as well.
It was hit and miss. However even the "count magno"
was a lot more durable than the modern baron karza.

Every once in a while I have gotten a nice reissued 3 3/4" figure and it has really been amazing. At least a decent bunch of decicated people kept buying the new micronauts despite the problems. Unfortunately that is the only way to keep the toyline thriving in the USA.