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Post by greengetterguy on Feb 21, 2021 18:35:11 GMT -5
Get out of my head Moleman! Yeah, I'm supporting ThreeZero.
If I'm spending $400 plus, it needs tobe a game changer or "knee buckling" gorgeous....
At sub $200 shipped price with "$400 quality" , ThreeZero is a complelling value. Many companies can learn a thing or two from its joint engineering too...more specifically DLX OP's joints.
Now THAT thing is a "MASTERPIECE."
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 22, 2021 4:03:38 GMT -5
alot of points of views in this page, i was among the first people who said Sentinel is charging more for less, at least with other companies like Pose + you get what you paid for in term of size, die cast, engineering, accessories and the high end feel, something Sentinel is lacking
Magmatron gave a key point, there is a trend of overcharging us the collectors for less than what we should pay, it will be extremely hard for a huge % of us to keep the wheel going if they are going to keep overcharge us, they are forgetting most of us get our stuff from over sea's stores, which means we pay for shipping, tax's and VAT, to add to the original price which is overwhelming, like moleman said the enjoyment of the brand new figure is becoming less and less since ALL of us have other responsibilities
i think this trend started from Sentinel with the riobot Mazinkaiser, a non combiner, smallish figure, little amount of diecast, for the price of a huge SOC combiner with tons of accessories
if Bandai and other companies who think and study the market before releasing pricing info saw that, there is an amount of people who are ok and welling to pay that price for something like that, what the outcome will be ? of course they will increase their prices as well since they know they have the better product, and who is suffering from this ? us
i know raw materials prices might increased over the time but its one of many reasons why we are paying more for less,
for me i will pay ONLY for something im %100 sure it deserve the asking price, if something have a funny price tag i will completely ignore it
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Post by shintitan on Feb 22, 2021 4:56:17 GMT -5
I think the current state of sales for the majority of figures speak for themselves. When is the last time you heard an item sold out in minutes or seconds? ( not talking about sneakers or consoles ). Most of the time you even see them on sale.
The price, shipping and Delays seriously made this hoppy a chore. Am not enjoying my self and to be honest am beginning to hate it.
Sorry. I need to get it out of my system.
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Post by bocasas on Feb 22, 2021 11:29:49 GMT -5
Shintitan most of us are in the same page. A hobby should be something enjoyable. This is getting too expensive and too many issues with shipping, productions cuts, scalpers, ect... I now sentinel ask a lot (i think 25~30% over the right price), but I am happy with the releases I got from them (riobot line: jehuty, tsugumori, oubu, godzila x eva, shin getter). But they are raising the bar, this figure is too overpriced (I can justify the price of their SRX for example). And at least in my figures QC has always worked (not even one flaw), this figure seems to have many QC issues, I had an issue with bandai for the first time last year too, anyone think that the pandemic is affecting QC from this companies in some way?
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Post by Magmatron on Feb 22, 2021 13:55:19 GMT -5
alot of points of views in this page, i was among the first people who said Sentinel is charging more for less, at least with other companies like Pose + you get what you paid for in term of size, die cast, engineering, accessories and the high end feel, something Sentinel is lacking
Magmatron gave a key point, there is a trend of overcharging us the collectors for less than what we should pay, it will be extremely hard for a huge % of us to keep the wheel going if they are going to keep overcharge us, they are forgetting most of us get our stuff from over sea's stores, which means we pay for shipping, tax's and VAT, to add to the original price which is overwhelming, like moleman said the enjoyment of the brand new figure is becoming less and less since ALL of us have other responsibilities Even if someone feels the pose+ line is worth it, $400-500 is not an easy ask. And they're now asking almost $600 for Gaogaigar, though I appreciate that unlike Sentinel they included all the essential accessories and is a combiner. I feel tgat more and more companies are going to rely on high income individuals to carry the brand, but that will end up killing some companies, like what happened with the anime figure industry. I think the current state of sales for the majority of figures speak for themselves. When is the last time you heard an item sold out in minutes or seconds? ( not talking about sneakers or consoles ). Most of the time you even see them on sale. The price, shipping and Delays seriously made this hoppy a chore. Am not enjoying my self and to be honest am beginning to hate it. Sorry. I need to get it out of my system. I think we all share that jaded feeling regarding the current situation. There are some figures that immediately sell out, but they're the DX Chogokin and Metal build lines, which are still in the $200 range that people tend to find comfortable. Unfortunately, many seem to be scalpers hoping for an easy buck.
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Post by rodimus1138 on Feb 22, 2021 14:35:07 GMT -5
Yeah be nice to see this side by side with SoC GGG. Though that wing span makes me think twice buying this. Not my photo but pretty small... kinda disappointing View AttachmentThere goes my interest
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 23, 2021 9:11:26 GMT -5
Even if someone feels the pose+ line is worth it, $400-500 is not an easy ask. And they're now asking almost $600 for Gaogaigar, though I appreciate that unlike Sentinel they included all the essential accessories and is a combiner. I feel tgat more and more companies are going to rely on high income individuals to carry the brand, but that will end up killing some companies, like what happened with the anime figure industry.
i agree with you but from what i remember the only figure that hit + $500 from pose + was Baikanfu, but if you look to it you are buying 2 figures (3 if you count Rom Stol) and those figures have some really impressive engineering, not to mention the size and the diecast so its "kinda" understandable, i guess the other one is Baxinger but it comes with the huge bird so another "kinda" understandable
im not defending them by any means im just explaining my point of view, but mostly like i said i agree with you, they should reconsider the prices specially in times like these, the high income individuals are a minority, they wont carry them for long, nut i think most companies will make sure alot of people will buy from them so the price tag is always a top priority for them
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Post by GetterBoi on Feb 23, 2021 15:11:02 GMT -5
Yeah be nice to see this side by side with SoC GGG. Though that wing span makes me think twice buying this. Not my photo but pretty small... kinda disappointing View AttachmentThat is... much smaller than I expected.
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Post by Magmatron on Feb 23, 2021 15:33:27 GMT -5
That is... much smaller than I expected. Then saying it was 24 cm was misleading, since it counts up to the tip of the crest. It's actually closer to a 21 cm figure in hight.
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Post by GetterBoi on Feb 23, 2021 15:52:08 GMT -5
That is... much smaller than I expected. Then saying it was 24 cm was misleading, since it counts up to the tip of the crest. It's actually closer to a 21 cm figure in hight. Very misleading, esp on D4Toys site, it says "head to toe approx 24cm"
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Post by GetterBoi on Feb 23, 2021 15:53:34 GMT -5
This should have been a SOC FA figure at $200-250
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Post by getterjehuty on Feb 23, 2021 19:10:07 GMT -5
So I got this figure from AmiAmi CONS: Scale is small for Gaogaigar The v fin that is connected to the head tends to disconnect if you do not handle with care PROS Paint job very good die-cast heft premium figure Articulation very good Is it worth the $500? No. Had it been bigger or same size as SOC then I would agree. I would price it as $399 Gx-50 or Gx-31 is a bit taller than Genesic Sentinel. Any questions let me know.
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Post by mpchi on Feb 23, 2021 19:53:24 GMT -5
So I got this figure from AmiAmi CONS: Scale is small for Gaogaigar The v fin that is connected to the head tends to disconnect if you do not handle with care PROS Paint job very good die-cast heft premium figure Articulation very good Is it worth the $500? No. Had it been bigger or same size as SOC then I would agree. I would price it as $399 Gx-50 or Gx-31 is a bit taller than Genesic Sentinel. Any questions let me know. Does it feel like the FlameToys TFs, like how the joints move and feel, the finish, and the engineering? Curious if Sentinel using similar engineering knowledge on the figure structure, or was this GGGG handled by a completely different team and different approach from ground up.
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Post by getterjehuty on Feb 23, 2021 20:02:03 GMT -5
So I got this figure from AmiAmi CONS: Scale is small for Gaogaigar The v fin that is connected to the head tends to disconnect if you do not handle with care PROS Paint job very good die-cast heft premium figure Articulation very good Is it worth the $500? No. Had it been bigger or same size as SOC then I would agree. I would price it as $399 Gx-50 or Gx-31 is a bit taller than Genesic Sentinel. Any questions let me know. Does it feel like the FlameToys TFs, like how the joints move and feel, the finish, and the engineering? Curious if Sentinel using similar engineering knowledge on the figure structure, or was this GGGG handled by a completely different team and different approach from ground up. Flametoys have looser joints. This does not. The finish and engineering is similar to Flametoys. The size is not good but it makes it up for the finish /premium and engineering/articulation. Maybe if you put this at the same shelf as the Riobot/Sentinel line, it will look good but don’t set it side by side vs SOC Gaogaigar
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Post by Magmatron on Feb 23, 2021 22:53:22 GMT -5
Very misleading, esp on D4Toys site, it says "head to toe approx 24cm" Them saying it was 24cm up to the head was part of what made me justify ordering it, so I'm very disappointed in then now. At least I only paid $400 instead of $5₩₩, though.
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Post by gpa on Feb 25, 2021 1:13:47 GMT -5
Well, based on Pose+ preorder state and aftermarket prices of their items I think they're safe for now. Sentinel have to be careful though lest they become the new CM Corp. They still have hits but a good number of their stuff fails to hit the mark and go on sale, only becoming high value years later when they don't benefit. But yeah with stuff regularly reaching $400, I can see $500 being the new norm a few years from now, meaning that further people will be priced out of this hobby and shrinking the already small robot fanbase even further.^ This is sadly what is becoming of the robot / mecha toy collecting community is becoming as more and more companies keep raising the stakes on prices while also giving the consumer less. This GGGG while beautiful, at $500 and it needed an upgrade set to complete it, just feels scummy. The enjoyment factor becomes less and less for me as prices just keep going up and the quality doesn't quite match the price.2 I'm glad threezero realized that there are plenty more people they can reach out there with their more affordable yet excellent Robot-dou and Transformers DLX line. I REALLY REALLY love my Threezero gokins, definitely the best bang for your buck these days. I've said it everywhere, and their EVA 1 is my favorite figure of that mech ever. I love it so much. I really hope they try their hand at GGGG eventually (or Metal Build). Can't wait for Threezero Megatron, EVA-2, and I really hope we get an Ultron from them soon.
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Post by Magmatron on Feb 25, 2021 11:12:24 GMT -5
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Post by mpchi on Feb 25, 2021 15:53:15 GMT -5
Not excited at all. In fact, I am not sure I want to buy them, even though I have ordered the GGGG. A lot of the accessories I don't really care for with the exception of the Will Knife and the Protect Wall effects. Some of the others are nice, but I can do without. Without them, GGGG for sure feels incomplete, but at the same time, these are no Fin Funnels. They don't really add that much to the figure for that amount of money. Almost feel like cutting the lost on the accessories to make the price more acceptable, rather than sinking deeper into the hole. Would I rather have these accessories than the Riobot R-1? Easy choice there.
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Post by quattrobajeena on Feb 25, 2021 22:58:32 GMT -5
Fair warning, got mine in the mail today. Was working with it and the fang on the lion mouth popped clean off with very little pressure while manipulating the joints.
Looks like a lot of small bits are glued on, likely very poorly.
Very nice looking toy, but the fact that I broke it within minutes of opening it is pretty disgusting for a 500+ dollar figure.
Should be able to apply epoxy to fix it, but I really shouldn't have to deal with this at the price point. Especially with the scale in mind.
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Post by Vendetta on Feb 26, 2021 0:21:21 GMT -5
Ridiculous pricing, but I'm a sucker and will likely still buy it if only just for the cool energy effects.
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