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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Dec 24, 2019 9:25:51 GMT -5
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 24, 2019 15:08:27 GMT -5
They aren't losing customers and in fact their fanbase has grown exponentially over the years.
if thats so then how come some of their recent releases are still wildly available with the a close (or lower) price to the preorder ?
even if they have a growing fan base i think their market share is between %2 to %3 just like ET
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Dec 24, 2019 17:39:39 GMT -5
They aren't losing customers and in fact their fanbase has grown exponentially over the years. if thats so then how come some of their recent releases are still wildly available with the a close (or lower) price to the preorder ? even if they have a growing fan base i think their market share is between %2 to %3 just like ET
Go find a Getter Robo Devolution at retail right now. On the flip I can show you multiple listings for stuff like Metal Build Quan T and Astray Blue frame that released ages ago at retail right now. Should I make hyperbolically inclined comments about Bandai losing its fan base because of that? No. It's silly. There isn't a single company that I can think of where everything from every line of theirs selling out immediately, so it's not a good measure for judgement on a grand scale. However you can look at things like the fact that up until say... 2015? about every Sentinel product sat until clearanced out and now we're at a point where it's a sought after brand. G R O W T H. Now, I feel like I've answered your response in full in a respectful, relevant manner so I'm letting it go. I understand that you didn't purchase this product however I not only **DID** but quite enjoy it so I'm going back to discussion about the thread's subject manner. ---------- Thinking about displaying this one outside of the case because of the wing span but I'd die if it ever fell.
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 25, 2019 11:29:34 GMT -5
Go find a Getter Robo Devolution at retail right now. On the flip I can show you multiple listings for stuff like Metal Build Quan T and Astray Blue frame that released ages ago at retail right now. Should I make hyperbolically inclined comments about Bandai losing its fan base because of that? No. It's silly. There isn't a single company that I can think of where everything from every line of theirs selling out immediately, so it's not a good measure for judgement on a grand scale. However you can look at things like the fact that up until say... 2015? about every Sentinel product sat until clearanced out and now we're at a point where it's a sought after brand. G R O W T H. Now, I feel like I've answered your response in full in a respectful, relevant manner so I'm letting it go. I understand that you didn't purchase this product however I not only **DID** but quite enjoy it so I'm going back to discussion about the thread's subject manner. ----------
im not talking about a robot that no one did before, if that was the case some of the ET stuff are rare and very expensive
im talking about other robots that been done by other companies, only some of the hardcore fans will go for it, but most will go for the most accurate, value for money and a well knowing brand
with all respect you cant compare Bandai to Sentinel, Bandai have many successful lines and they are doing this since ever their market share is at least %60, the gx88 sales alone are stronger than half of Sentinel stuff, not to mention how many figures Bandai produce, and the quality of the materiel they used (i know some have QC issues but its not a huge parentage) all that for a reasonable price
for example the GX-76 Grendizer + the GX-76X Spazer Set will cost less that Sentinel Grendizer and it comes with more stuff as well (double Spazer + TFO)
as for this figure, at almost 28k yen its way over priced for what is offering not to mention the sculpt is not good enough for me to by (most parts are from their Grendizer)
at the end its a matter of taste, you like it im happy for you, for me its a pass and im happy with the shin mazinger's i have
have a nice one TJ
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Dec 25, 2019 14:34:29 GMT -5
im not talking about a robot that no one did before,
You're not really talking about anything at all besides off-topic conjecture and that's why we're at an impasse. ---------- Things have be one so buried with allof the extra that I don't know if I showed the scrander. Sorry if double posted and full article/galleryup soon;
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 27, 2019 14:17:55 GMT -5
You're not really talking about anything at all besides off-topic conjecture and that's why we're at an impasse.
off-topic conjecture ?
im positive i wasn't talking about the best taco in the north hemisphere
i was talking about Riobot Shin Mazinger in the thread of Riobot Shin Mazinger and Sentinel in general, so how come its off-topic conjecture ?
listen TJ i understand that you love this company and this line and im happy for you, but take a look around not alot of people are into Sentinel stuff, look at their thread only few people actually bought them the rest are just talking about them
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Dec 27, 2019 14:58:26 GMT -5
**Does not press "Display Post."**
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Something to note about the compatibility between it and grendizer is that Mazinger can utilize the Spazer but Grendizer can't have the scrander fully attached due to not having the part on the upper back to clip (the batteries and switch are there.) I'll see how well it holds with the bottom connector only but I know the stand useage won't be possible.
I'll get the gallery done tonight and posted tomorrow.
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Post by faelon on Dec 28, 2019 0:01:23 GMT -5
They aren't losing customers and in fact their fanbase has grown exponentially over the years.
if thats so then how come some of their recent releases are still wildly available with the a close (or lower) price to the preorder ?
even if they have a growing fan base i think their market share is between %2 to %3 just like ET
Not having followed this debate too closely, I can probably still answer that question. If the Sen-Ti-Nel stuff isn't instantly selling out, and you can actually get it at retail, more often than not it means that they have increased production numbers and distribution network. Not decreased sales. Most retailers actually like a little bit of overproduction, such that they can actually have product on shelves when a customer asks. While something selling out from pre-orders alone is seemingly great for the manufacturer, it is horrible for the retailer because they end up with demand that they are unable to fill. Which pisses customers off and drives them elsewhere. Sentinels increased availability most likely more corresponds to them moving out of an extremely select niche market and moving a bit more into a broader market. We've seen some other signs of this, such as some Sentinel products showing up on the shelves in US Thinkgeek Mall stores (Gamestops nerd merch chain of stores)
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 28, 2019 0:30:26 GMT -5
if thats so then how come some of their recent releases are still wildly available with the a close (or lower) price to the preorder ?
even if they have a growing fan base i think their market share is between %2 to %3 just like ET
Not having followed this debate too closely, I can probably still answer that question. If the Sen-Ti-Nel stuff isn't instantly selling out, and you can actually get it at retail, more often than not it means that they have increased production numbers and distribution network. Not decreased sales. Most retailers actually like a little bit of overproduction, such that they can actually have product on shelves when a customer asks. While something selling out from pre-orders alone is seemingly great for the manufacturer, it is horrible for the retailer because they end up with demand that they are unable to fill. Which pisses customers off and drives them elsewhere. Sentinels increased availability most likely more corresponds to them moving out of an extremely select niche market and moving a bit more into a broader market. We've seen some other signs of this, such as some Sentinel products showing up on the shelves in US Thinkgeek Mall stores (Gamestops nerd merch chain of stores)
thank you for your point of view
there is no debate here, there is facts vs emotions
some times you get it even on lower price than the retail, the way i see maybe some people canceled their preorder for whatever reason
at the end their market share is still among the lowest, and only some of the hardcore fans will go after their already available figures (im not talking about figures that no one did before)
a tiny comparison ?
how many people own the GX-76 vs how many people own Sentinel Grendizer ? check the threads to find out
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Post by faelon on Dec 28, 2019 0:42:40 GMT -5
Not having followed this debate too closely, I can probably still answer that question. If the Sen-Ti-Nel stuff isn't instantly selling out, and you can actually get it at retail, more often than not it means that they have increased production numbers and distribution network. Not decreased sales. Most retailers actually like a little bit of overproduction, such that they can actually have product on shelves when a customer asks. While something selling out from pre-orders alone is seemingly great for the manufacturer, it is horrible for the retailer because they end up with demand that they are unable to fill. Which pisses customers off and drives them elsewhere. Sentinels increased availability most likely more corresponds to them moving out of an extremely select niche market and moving a bit more into a broader market. We've seen some other signs of this, such as some Sentinel products showing up on the shelves in US Thinkgeek Mall stores (Gamestops nerd merch chain of stores)
thank you for your point of view
there is no debate here, there is facts vs emotions
some times you get it even on lower price than the retail, the way i see maybe some people canceled their preorder for whatever reason
at the end their market share is still among the lowest, and only some of the hardcore fans will go after their already available figures (im not talking about figures that no one did before)
a tiny comparison ?
how many people own the GX-76 vs how many people own Sentinel Grendizer ? check the threads to find out
Sentinel is still a smaller producer. And has nowhere near the marketshare of robot toys that Bandai or Takara have. But they are expending beyond the ultra niche collector market that they have had up until this point and starting to become more widely known. Up until recently the only way to get a Sentinel product was to be aware of it and pre-order it months if not a year in advance. With a very narrow window until the limited production sold out. That's a great model for a small specialty company catering to it's narrow dedicated fanbase. But there's not a huge amount of growth there. Getting some durable presence on retail shelves such that their product is more widely available is needed to grow beyond that highly specialized niche market. Like I said in the US they have been starting to sporadically show up at the GAmestop specialty chain Thinkgeek, and I've seen some at Hobbytown USA stores (although they are franchised so it may be individual owners importing them). Personally I think it remains to be seen how well Sentinel is able to achieve that spreading market penetration. From what I have seen they have mainly been getting the wrong products in the wron places, and they are horribly overpriced at storefront retail. For example ThinkGeek has the Tatsunoko Heroes Action figures, in US stores. At $80-100. While they are fantastic, they aren't subjects that American's have a huge familiarity with beyond G1 and maybe Tekkaman Blade (for the weebs) the others look kinda lonely standing next to Sailor Moon and My Hero Academia. If Sentinel had been able to put the Mospeada Ride Armor ther einstead it would have done much better (yeah yeah I know the evil that is Harmony Gold).
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 28, 2019 13:50:42 GMT -5
Sentinel is still a smaller producer. And has nowhere near the marketshare of robot toys that Bandai or Takara have. But they are expending beyond the ultra niche collector market that they have had up until this point and starting to become more widely known. Up until recently the only way to get a Sentinel product was to be aware of it and pre-order it months if not a year in advance. With a very narrow window until the limited production sold out. That's a great model for a small specialty company catering to it's narrow dedicated fanbase. But there's not a huge amount of growth there. Getting some durable presence on retail shelves such that their product is more widely available is needed to grow beyond that highly specialized niche market. Like I said in the US they have been starting to sporadically show up at the GAmestop specialty chain Thinkgeek, and I've seen some at Hobbytown USA stores (although they are franchised so it may be individual owners importing them). Personally I think it remains to be seen how well Sentinel is able to achieve that spreading market penetration. From what I have seen they have mainly been getting the wrong products in the wron places, and they are horribly overpriced at storefront retail. For example ThinkGeek has the Tatsunoko Heroes Action figures, in US stores. At $80-100. While they are fantastic, they aren't subjects that American's have a huge familiarity with beyond G1 and maybe Tekkaman Blade (for the weebs) the others look kinda lonely standing next to Sailor Moon and My Hero Academia. If Sentinel had been able to put the Mospeada Ride Armor ther einstead it would have done much better (yeah yeah I know the evil that is Harmony Gold).
but been wildly available doesn't mean its popular, its just good marketing
if you think about it they are selling an expensive plastic figures with very minimum diecast and a design that is not for everyone, the only good things they did right is the articulation and some of the gimmicks
tough bargain if you ask me, specially that the competitors offers more for less
at the end its a matter of personal tastes
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Post by bocasas on Dec 28, 2019 17:43:22 GMT -5
To prove you wrong is the fact that sentinel is being successful. They are releasing more figures and you dont see many at retail price (most of the riobot and metamorforce stuff tend to go up in price at secondary market). If they were failing and loosing money they would have probably cancelled the line. They are a small company and cannot afford losses in many consecutive products. Sentinel is being true to themselves and their fans, even if you dont like their products (I agree with you it's a matter of taste as I said I dont like fewture stuff but I recognize that they do good stuff). There's no point for them in trying to do what bandai do cheaper and probably better. I'm pretty sure they have considered doing an anime mazinger but in the end it would have been almost the same as bandai and 50% more expensive, so no point in trying to defeat bandai there. What they can do is a unique mazinger or a getter that bandai never did (or other obscure cool characters like the SRX they showed earlier this year), and take their share from that market (that in fact seems to grow, there are more bros interested in their products than 3 years ago for example). I think you are mislead to think that they are failing because they are small, when in fact they are growing. PD: all companies are selling us expensive pieces of plastic and metal this is what this hobby is about.
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Post by mpchi on Dec 28, 2019 19:38:07 GMT -5
Sentinel is in fact growing. 1000toys, Flame Toys and Sentinel are all one and the same. You can even find their TF model kits at local Barnes & Nobles these days. They are indeed expanding with more toylines, whether they are being financially successful or not.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Dec 28, 2019 23:49:19 GMT -5
I stepped away from this but looking here there's been so much fact thrown out there by so many users on the fact that the company is in fact growing/expanding that it's inarguable. I don't want to throw out anything disparaging like troll feeding because I believe the user is more stubborn than anything else but at this point it seems like one of those things to where even someone who googled the figure would see this thread and know what is what on the particular issue so I'd just like to request getting back to the figure. If someone wants to make a general thread discussing Sentinel's moves and their thoughts as a whole why not just do that?
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 29, 2019 3:36:57 GMT -5
To prove you wrong is the fact that sentinel is being successful. They are releasing more figures and you dont see many at retail price (most of the riobot and metamorforce stuff tend to go up in price at secondary market). If they were failing and loosing money they would have probably cancelled the line. They are a small company and cannot afford losses in many consecutive products. Sentinel is being true to themselves and their fans, even if you dont like their products (I agree with you it's a matter of taste as I said I dont like fewture stuff but I recognize that they do good stuff). There's no point for them in trying to do what bandai do cheaper and probably better. I'm pretty sure they have considered doing an anime mazinger but in the end it would have been almost the same as bandai and 50% more expensive, so no point in trying to defeat bandai there. What they can do is a unique mazinger or a getter that bandai never did (or other obscure cool characters like the SRX they showed earlier this year), and take their share from that market (that in fact seems to grow, there are more bros interested in their products than 3 years ago for example). I think you are mislead to think that they are failing because they are small, when in fact they are growing. PD: all companies are selling us expensive pieces of plastic and metal this is what this hobby is about.
i think you have half of the facts my friend
first you are mistaken between me and some one else, i NEVER said they are not growing i said they are losing customers (as not alot of people are interested in what they are offering) specially in those two recent releases
main point, how many people in this thread own this figure ? so far there is one lonely user, but even if there was 10 its still a small number comparing to other figures not to mention for Mazinger z fan specially in RJ, even in my personal circle of collectors so far only 1 guy bought because he never skip any Mazinger figure
speaking of Mazinger, its a bit complicated because according to a friend of mine Bandai have the long term license for making an anime accurate diecast figures for Mazinger z which is why we hardly see any anime accurate diecast figure for Mazinger z, but again correct me if this info is wrong
another point, there is a huge different between interested or talking about something and actually buying it, you will find me talking about the 2020 dodge charger hellcat wide body but i never bought the thing lol
*all companies are selling us expensive pieces of plastic and metal this is what this hobby is about*
this would be %100 true IF you were talking about ET or Sentinel however other companies sells us expensive (to affordable) METAL and plastic figures which mean the percentage of the metal is way higher than the plastic and other materials so it kinda justify the high price tag
lastly its just wrong to compare Fewture to Sentinel, the fact that Fewture came up with Shin Mazinger Zero alone is amazing a figure was so damn good it got it own manga
not to mention most of art storm products specially these newer ones are way higher in quality than Sentinel
Sentinel is in fact growing. 1000toys, Flame Toys and Sentinel are all one and the same. You can even find their TF model kits at local Barnes & Nobles these days. They are indeed expanding with more toylines, whether they are being financially successful or not.
in my part of the world its really rare to find a store selling Sentinel stuff, most sell Bandai, Fewture and other non diecast non robots figures
even Grendizer and you know how big Grendizer is in my region
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Post by Chen on Dec 30, 2019 7:42:55 GMT -5
Let's move on, this discussion is already heading in a direction I don't like.
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Post by getterjehuty on Dec 31, 2019 18:06:30 GMT -5
I paid off my preorder for this guy. Since I got Grendizer, might as well get this dude.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Apr 6, 2020 18:20:18 GMT -5
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Post by Magmatron on Apr 8, 2020 2:35:57 GMT -5
Nice pic. I like this one but since I already own Mb Mazinger I feel I already have this niche covered, though Sentinel went ever further with it.
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Post by Coletron on Aug 29, 2020 20:17:20 GMT -5
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