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Post by dme3o on Jun 20, 2004 11:06:11 GMT -5
Word around is that if you see a Zambot SOC w/ out the circular sticker on the box, you may be purchasing a bootleg that is pretty dang exact?
Can anyone confirm this?
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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 20, 2004 11:56:32 GMT -5
Which sticker? The one with the cat in the hat?
Anyways, I've heard of "Hong Kong" versions (sub-standard items shipped to countries like Singapore,and HK), but they aren't considered as boots.
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Post by dme3o on Jun 20, 2004 12:15:35 GMT -5
That's true..they are official circle vs. square. Each sticker is different per character and licensor. The cat and the hat was for certain division of Toei (?).
Now as far as the quality, the non-Japan releases are not what I would exactly call "sub-standard". I mean they are all made in China and they all come out of the same factory. It's just that when they are boxed and split up for marketing, a certain number is allocated for Japan and a certain number is for HK, Singapore, etc. The only way to differentiate is via the sticker. The product content is the same...save for the special HK items such as the Metal Lancer for Combattler, the crystal bases, etc.
Now back to the sticker: In Zambot's case the sticker has his face. check out your box.
I was told of a rumor that there are boots of Zambot w/ out the official licensed sticker....again, right now, it's a rumor. I'm just trying to see if anyone has heard of this as well?
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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 20, 2004 12:20:09 GMT -5
Hmm.....what's supposed to be wrong with the face? Got any pics?
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Post by dme3o on Jun 20, 2004 12:24:44 GMT -5
nothing..i meant that in GX-23's case, the sticker is his face not the cat in the hat nor "Dynamic planning", Toei, etc...
the boots have no sticker at all.
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Post by Jryu on Jun 20, 2004 13:44:41 GMT -5
How different are the ones with the sticker vs without? What elements of the piece are substandard vs. the real deal? I looked in vain on my box for a sticker and there is none  . It has a sticker on the back though that says "distributed by Daniel Distribution" or something to that effect. grrrr. j*ryu nothing..i meant that in GX-23's case, the sticker is his face not the cat in the hat nor "Dynamic planning", Toei, etc... the boots have no sticker at all. |
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Post by dme3o on Jun 20, 2004 13:46:44 GMT -5
So far, it's only a rumor...the one I have has a circle sticker w/ Japanese writing and zambot's face on the front upper left...
Just checked my box...looked on the back for the sticker you mentioned and I couldn't find it....not sure what "daniel distribution" is...hmm.
...makes me wonder if they did this w/ GX-13R!! I HOPE NOT! SheeEsh!
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Post by Jryu on Jun 20, 2004 13:50:57 GMT -5
I just doublechecked and there's no sticker there on the upper left of the box. I went through and checked a few more boxes and some have them, some don't. If the ones that I have without stickers are boots, damn if they're not super high quality regardless. I still love my ba$t*rd children. j*ryu So far, it's only a rumor...the one I have has a sticker on the front upper left... |
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Post by dme3o on Jun 20, 2004 13:53:28 GMT -5
yeah...i know there are boots of the old school vintage chogkins that are up to par with the originals... hopefully, let's just take comfort that perhaps they were not able to place a sticker on them all? (wishfull thinking)  It just messes up collectors as they work hard and save their money to buy an orig and here comes a bootlegger ready to take your hard earned dough... Dang! |
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Post by Jryu on Jun 20, 2004 13:53:37 GMT -5
Daniel & Co apparently distributes in HK. I get a majority of my stuff from HK so I have that particular sticker on more than a few. However, I procured the Poseidon that I have from BBTS and it has the Dynamic Planning sticker right on the "GX" copy on the front of the box. I know this is going to be lingering in the back of my mind all day now. j*ryu So far, it's only a rumor...the one I have has a sticker on the front upper left... Just checked my box...looked on the back for the sticker you mentioned and I couldn't find it....not sure what "daniel distribution" is... ...makes me wonder if they did this w/ GX-13R!! SheeEsh! |
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Post by dme3o on Jun 20, 2004 13:57:48 GMT -5
Hmm..more than a few? You have more than one Zambot? Some have them and some don't? Did they all come from the same source? Dynamic is correct for Poseidon as that is the licensing company for go nagai(?) I believe. Don't sweat it...perhaps it's just a differentiation between HK and Japan markets.. just as they originally did by changing the shape of the sticker (cricle Vs. square). Did'nt mean to get you alarmed but we really should be careful as collectors. Especially if it matters to you on this level as it does to me. Daniel & Co apparently distributes in HK. I get a majority of my stuff from HK so I have that particular sticker on more than a few. However, I procured the Poseidon that I have from BBTS and it has the Dynamic Planning sticker right on the "GX" copy on the front of the box. I know this is going to be lingering in the back of my mind all day now. j*ryu |
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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 20, 2004 14:22:41 GMT -5
Hmm..more than a few? You have more than one Zambot? Some have them and some don't? Did they all come from the same source? Dynamic is correct for Poseidon as that is the licensing company for go nagai(?) I believe. Don't sweat it...perhaps it's just a differentiation between HK and Japan markets.. just as they originally did by changing the shape of the sticker (cricle Vs. square). Did'nt mean to get you alarmed but we really should be careful as collectors. Especially if it matters to you on this level as it does to me. I think it should matter, and we should worry! These babies aren't that easy to come by, and they don't cost a dime a dozen either. When I spend $200 on a toy, I want to make sure I'm getting what I pay for. Thanks for the heads up! Luckily, I always check my toys for the stickers, and I have them. ;D |
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Post by dme3o on Jun 20, 2004 14:28:54 GMT -5
Your right Omni, we collectors should really be wary...I feel the same way you do.
By the way, being that we are on a sticker kick, can you tell me if your EVAs have stickers on them?
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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 20, 2004 14:31:27 GMT -5
Your right Omni, we collectors should really be wary...I feel the same way you do. By the way, being that we are on a sticker kick, can you tell me if your EVAs have stickers on them? Sorry, I never really got into the EVA SOC's. I have yet to buy one, and don't plan to. Maybe if I find someone selling a second hand toy with complete accessories, and in good condition. I just want the Chrome, and Black one (see, I don't even know their designations). ;D |
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Post by Jryu on Jun 20, 2004 14:39:33 GMT -5
Sorry bro, I meant on more than a few SOC boxes in general. I wish I had another Zambot to display in vehicle/Zambo Ace mode.  I'm not alarmed so much as a little peeved that pieces that I spend over $100 on should be the "real" deal. I don't want to unknowingly spend the same amount of money on a boot that I could have an official one for. However, I must also say that if I can't tell that it's a boot in terms of major quality points, then I shouldn't be *that* bothered by it. I mean, when I went to bed last night I was still super stoked at my Zambot, boot or not. I think it's the principle of the matter if the store is advertising boots as the real deal and you're paying extra for nonexistent Bandai QC team's seal of approval. Has anyone heard what the reputed quality issues are on the boots (for any SOC)? j*ryu Hmm..more than a few? You have more than one Zambot? Dynamic is correct for Poseidon as that is the licensing company for go nagai(?) I believe. Don't sweat it...perhaps it's just a differentiation between HK and Japan markets.. just as they originally did by changing the shape of the sticker (cricle Vs. square). Did'nt mean to get you alarmed but we really should be careful as collectors. Especially if it matters to you on this level as it does to me. |
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Post by dme3o on Jun 20, 2004 17:06:39 GMT -5
I agree. It should be the real deal. The funny thing is, are there any actual proven Bandai SOC "boots" that we know of? The ones sold without stickers may not be bootlegs for all we know.  |
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Post by Jryu on Jun 20, 2004 19:35:15 GMT -5
I agree, they may not be boots. I know that they can pretty much copy anything these days but that would be a hella lot of effort to make boots of this quality and expect have to a higher margin than if Bandai were to sell them. Also, with HK being a major trading port, I think that stores that were to sell boots would not be able to slip under the radar of someone like Bandai.
Where did the rumor first appear anyways?
j*ryu
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Post by dme3o on Jun 20, 2004 19:45:39 GMT -5
A friend of mine said he heard from someone else. The usual rumor-starter type chain. That's why I posted here to see if anyone has heard of such a thing.
Although, I do recall that there was a boot for one of the classic Mazinger chogokins and it was a big deal. Can't recall the details as I didn't really follow it too much back then...anyone recall this?
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Post by andrewdsz on Jun 21, 2004 6:29:57 GMT -5
DONT WORRY GUYSCTHEREeS NO BOOTLEG SOCS AT ALL OR YOU CAN TELL BY LOOKING AT IT RIGHT AWAY!
look at the quality of the ones without stickers and with stickers, they are exactly the same. They came from the same factory, same mole, and those stickers can be get like 5$ for 100 pieces from yahoo taiwan... ...
Man, i dont know why you guys cares about the SOC bootlegs, they are made of metal, they need special mode and high temperature instruments to make, plus the incredible color painting and the plastic choicing, you guys wont believe how much it is going to cost to duplicate an extra mole.
even if they do have a bootleg, we can tell it is bootleg right away by just looking at it. The quality will be horrible.
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Post by dme3o on Jun 21, 2004 8:28:23 GMT -5
That's true as I said before and I can't agree with you more. But we should always care and be observant about such things and treat them objectively.
The bootleg that I was talking about was for the older 1970's Mazinger chogokin. Not SOC.
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