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Post by jwm on Nov 27, 2005 12:58:36 GMT -5
The Evangelion Units are cyborgs: cybernetically controlled organisms. They may be partially yoked to the pilots' control, but they also exhibit consciousness of their own at times. If you prick them they bleed. They are not machines, hence not mecha. Gundam is mecha. Super-robot is mecha. Eva is not. Eva is actually closer to kaiju than mecha.
JWM
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Post by xiombarg on Nov 27, 2005 13:52:14 GMT -5
Hey, my cell phone is mecha! I pilot it, and I use it to fight the forces of evil every day at work! ;D
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Post by demizer on Nov 27, 2005 19:20:32 GMT -5
The Evangelion Units are cyborgs: cybernetically controlled organisms. They may be partially yoked to the pilots' control, but they also exhibit consciousness of their own at times. If you prick them they bleed. They are not machines, hence not mecha. Gundam is mecha. Super-robot is mecha. Eva is not. Eva is actually closer to kaiju than mecha. JWM "IF YOU PRICK US,DO WE NOT BLEED?"
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Post by Mechadevil on Nov 27, 2005 20:05:15 GMT -5
this is my kind of thread.
Mecha- Robot should bleed, it's all going organic.
Fuq it, in the future everything will be grown, computers, vehicals whateves.
programs in lotion form.
Hey, what if Jack climbed the beanstock, scalped the giant, jammed a seat where his brain used to be, shoved some mad scientist sh*t in his spine connected to a stearing wheel and took him for a spin?
What would you call it?
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Post by xiombarg on Nov 27, 2005 21:44:35 GMT -5
this is my kind of thread. Mecha- Robot should bleed, it's all going organic. Fuq it, in the future everything will be grown, computers, vehicals whateves. programs in lotion form. Hey, what if Jack climbed the beanstock, scalped the giant, jammed a seat where his brain used to be, shoved some mad scientist sh*t in his spine connected to a stearing wheel and took him for a spin? What would you call it? They'v actually been using neurons in a type of "software" form for about ten years now. Last I heard they were getting neurons to solve basic math problems, and that was years ago.
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Post by jwm on Nov 27, 2005 21:57:57 GMT -5
this is my kind of thread. Mecha- Robot should bleed, it's all going organic. Fuq it, in the future everything will be grown, computers, vehicals whateves. programs in lotion form. Hey, what if Jack climbed the beanstock, scalped the giant, jammed a seat where his brain used to be, shoved some mad scientist sh*t in his spine connected to a stearing wheel and took him for a spin? What would you call it? Macabre. But not a mecha. ![;)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/wink.png) JWM
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Post by Omni Existence on Nov 27, 2005 22:04:33 GMT -5
yeah? that's the "original" and "broader denotation" of all mechanical objects ![:)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/smiley.png) . in relating to our hobby, we use the "repurposed" definition of mecha (my definition above). you can call ur celphone mecha... but i won't ![;)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/wink.png) . The 'repurposed' definition of mecha is the 'Westernized' concept of what mecha is. But this hobby is not about 'Western' Concepts now is it? Anime still follows the original more broader concept of mecha. For example, Persocons (in the anime/manga Chobits) were referred to as mecha at one point of series. In another anime title, one character stated "you can't live without your mecha can't you" while referring to the protagonist's mobile phone and PDA. IMO, the 'Westernized' concept limits the idea too much to what it perceives and makes robots 'sound cool.' While in reality, any machine can be called mecha. It's a distortion of what 'Mecha' really refers to.
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Post by mannyD on Nov 27, 2005 22:34:46 GMT -5
well... hmm... ![:)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/smiley.png) i won't use the term mecha again... "robot" is ok, hehe (sheesh)
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Post by Omni Existence on Nov 27, 2005 22:52:29 GMT -5
By that rule, you're saying that 'things' like the Tachikoma, or the Landmates, or even the Queadluun Rau, CANNOT be considered as Mecha, but the EVA (which is technically a huge @ss cyborg-and a larger percent made of organic matter) is? oops, forgive my ignorance, i don't even know these "mechas". enlighten us bro... ![:)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/smiley.png) FYI: Tachikoma:is a fictional multiped (walker) think-tank (a tank controlled by an AI instead of a pilot) from the Ghost in the Shell universe. Tachikoma are as large as an average sedan, are painted blue and have four "eyes" fitted on the surface of their bodies, as well as several non-mobile optical sensors located in various places on their bodies. They are controlled by individual AIs, are capable of speech and generally exhibit a childish, curious, joyful and active personality, although they are consumate professionals in the field. They normally operate as independent units and receive orders from human agents, but they can also be directly piloted from a cockpit in their abdomen. Tachikoma have four legs and two arms. They can move by walking, or they can drive at high speed by using their wheeled footpads. Other abilities of the Tachikoma include jumping great distances, sticking to vertical or inverted surfaces, and grappling/rappelling using their adhesive string launchers. Standard Tachikoma equipment includes a machine gun mounted in the right arm, a secondary weapon in the "snout" (a rocket-propelled grenade launcher or a six-barreled minigun), and a built-in optical camouflage device. Though they possess individual artificial intelligence, every night they are synchronised, so they start the next day with identical conciousnesses that are each the sum of their total collective experience & development. Landmate:Landmates are operator-piloted armored suits designed to provide the pilot with superior protection, freedom of movement and firepower. In Olympus, landmates are made available to the general public and widely used by law enforcement and the military. Public landmates must be registered and cannot be equipped with heavy armor or weapons. Landmates are still pretty expensive, but the low end domestic models are fairly affordable (It's a little like buying a suped up sport motorcyle, according to Shirow). Repairs on landmates are still relatively expensive, and those citizens that keep them for private use usually know how to fix their own units. Each part in a landmate is handmade but may be swapped between similar models. To use a landmate, the operator must step up into the "cockpit" and fit her arms into the slave arms in the torso (this is why most landmates appear to have 4 arms). The pilots legs fit into the thighs of the unit and the pilot's head is usually about in the middle of the torso. The cockpit is the most heavily armored part of the unit (of course!). Most pilots wear a thin suit of datafilm, but it is possible to wear a full suit of Gasium armor in the more advanced combat models. Combat landmates are engineered for peak effeciency. They are generally not intended for prolonged use without upkeep. As such, they do not generally carry more than a couple of extra clips of ammunition. There is a small cargo space in most units, where the pilot can keep a set of clothes and a small cache of personal equipment (pistol, communicator, etc.) Queadluun Rau:Zentradi female division high-manouevrability battle suit. Queadlunn-Rau relies almost exclusively on vernier thrusters for flying controls. Quimeliquola special inertia vector control system. It has a single pilot capacity, and one main cockpit screen. One forward-looking main sensor and numerous other sensors. Armaments include Primary Cannon: two medium-bore simultaneously-firing impact cannon. Secondary Gun: two air-to-air high-speed-rotating tri-barrel laser pulse gun. Rocket Weaponry: four close-combat short-range super-minature high-maneuverabilty missile launchers (126 missiles standard).
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Post by lurkerx on Nov 28, 2005 9:08:52 GMT -5
hey guys i forgot about escaflowne i kind of like the medival armor type mecha style of the transforming dragon bot.
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Post by demizer on Nov 30, 2005 2:08:23 GMT -5
I cant wait til the die-cast Tachikoma come out.I really like the design of this peice.The character sounds very interesting as well.Any idea where I might get some more info.on him,Omni Ex?
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Post by Omni Existence on Dec 1, 2005 22:45:24 GMT -5
I cant wait til the die-cast Tachikoma come out.I really like the design of this peice.The character sounds very interesting as well.Any idea where I might get some more info.on him,Omni Ex? Here: mshp.motime.com/Just scroll down to the Sept. 18th Article. ![;)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/wink.png) Enjoy!
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Post by demizer on Dec 2, 2005 5:00:20 GMT -5
I'm not getting the link,but it's the thought that counts.
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Post by Omni Existence on Dec 2, 2005 5:58:05 GMT -5
I'm not getting the link,but it's the thought that counts. Eh? The site is closed (no longer being updated), but the info on it is still active. Anywhoo, let me quote the complete article: At this time however, there are no updates to how the toys are coming along. Hopefully it gets released. I'm a seriously crazed GITS/Shirow fan, it would be just plain WRONG not to have this in my collection. ![;)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/wink.png) BTW, that site has move here: www.takotech.net/mshp/
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Post by demizer on Dec 2, 2005 14:50:53 GMT -5
I'm on this one.I love the design of this peice,and from what youve said I think his personality is very interesting.Thank's for quoteing the article for me.
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Post by Omni Existence on Dec 3, 2005 0:25:56 GMT -5
Anytime! ![;)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/wink.png)
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Post by barnowl on Dec 10, 2005 22:57:55 GMT -5
I'm with Omni-Existence on not being a McFarlane fan. I like toys that do things and have options.
Go Nagai was a creative genius. Nobody will top Nagai in my book. He was inspired by Tezuka who also had simple designs. Tezuka was the start of it all.
Besides design and style the key is character and meaning. The new stuff looks cool but lacks heart and soul. Cartoons and comics were better when they were made for kids.
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Post by Kidchuckle on Dec 12, 2005 9:36:18 GMT -5
I'm with Omni-Existence on not being a McFarlane fan. I like toys that do things and have options. Go Nagai was a creative genius. Nobody will top Nagai in my book. He was inspired by Tezuka who also had simple designs. Tezuka was the start of it all. Besides design and style the key is character and meaning. The new stuff looks cool but lacks heart and soul. Cartoons and and comics were better when they were made for kids. I have to agree on that... I think thats why I'm not crazy about Gundamn. Any of the classics, they inspire in doing everything with pation, with effort and compation with other people.
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Post by xiombarg on Dec 12, 2005 17:04:32 GMT -5
Gundam would be fine if they moved a little further away from every Gundam being 90% remake of RX-78. Gundam seems to do this weird lateral evolution. It doesn't really get better or different, it's just a new hairstyle every year. Somebody made the argument that Gundams look the same because it's an evolving technology. Ok, but if you look at a car that is the same make and model over a twenty year period, they pretty much never look anything alike other than having four wheels. So to me that's a weak excuse. There are a couple Gundams here and there that really are something new, like the Deep Striker and the Gerbera, but they were practically side notes in the Gundam world. I guess there was G-Gundam, but whatever appeal was supposed to be with those little critters was a mystery.. Maybe some people just like the security of buying the same toy over and over again in every possible size and material known to man?
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Post by Kidchuckle on Dec 12, 2005 21:17:25 GMT -5
Maybe some people just like the security of buying the same toy over and over again in every possible size and material known to man? HA! thats funny.
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