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Post by rutorres on Dec 14, 2009 17:31:24 GMT -5
I know that CMs was supposed to release Gordian some time this month but has anyone heard any news about this toy yet?
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Dec 14, 2009 17:35:11 GMT -5
Got pushed to the end of January 2010...
}D
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Post by SuperAnimeRobot on Feb 16, 2010 8:02:39 GMT -5
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Post by zamboace on Feb 16, 2010 12:01:51 GMT -5
It's interesting how CM's handled the scale. The Gordian has the larger outermost mecha, but every inner mecha is smaller compared to the SOC Baikunfu.
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Post by quinjester on Feb 16, 2010 12:43:49 GMT -5
The Gordion didn't get quite as fancy as the Baikanfu in that regard; if you look, none of the inner robots limbs extend beyond the knee or elbow joints, necessitating the larger size range. Baikanfu, in contrast, was designed so that the elbows and knees would bend even though the inner figures were part of the joints - it's quite slick in its design.
Gordion might be more accurate the way it's done, but I have to say that Baikanfu wins out for me (even not taking into account the aesthetics) for sheer engineering cleverness.
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Post by hetabattousai on Feb 16, 2010 13:31:32 GMT -5
I got to agree. The CMS version is down right ugly and lack of any innovations. Althought i don't have it yet, but a picture is worth a thousand words. Beside, I think the CMS version has the least amount of die-cast.
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Post by mpchi on Feb 16, 2010 14:12:34 GMT -5
Too bad CM's Gordian has been getting a lot of bashing, due to its old school aesthetics. While I am not a big fan of the old school looks, I see where its coming from and give props to CM's having the guts to go the direction it chose to, pleasing more vintage-geared fans. Doesn't look that bad, does it?
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Post by zamboace on Feb 16, 2010 14:26:38 GMT -5
The Gordion didn't get quite as fancy as the Baikanfu in that regard; if you look, none of the inner robots limbs extend beyond the knee or elbow joints, necessitating the larger size range. Baikanfu, in contrast, was designed so that the elbows and knees would bend even though the inner figures were part of the joints - it's quite slick in its design. Only half true. The second largest robot in Baikanfu does nest so that it's knee joints lines up with the larger robot, but neither Baikanfu or Gordion have inner robots who's arms extend past elbow. Gordion also has launching fists; which, for all it's engineering marvel, Baikanfu lacks. It has shin missiles, too, although it's hard to tell from the images if they launch. There's a lot of detailed pictures of it here: koshihara.air-nifty.com/blog/2010/02/post-5513.html
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Post by roboto on Feb 16, 2010 14:53:40 GMT -5
Wow, CM's Gordian looks great, especially if it was on my shelf.
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Post by xiombarg on Feb 16, 2010 15:22:13 GMT -5
I think it looks ok, but I just don't trust CM products until they're in my hand and I can really see what's going on. Not to say that CM hasn't had some quality figures, but I'm still a little wary.
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Post by quinjester on Feb 16, 2010 15:31:36 GMT -5
Only half true. The second largest robot in Baikanfu does nest so that it's knee joints lines up with the larger robot, but neither Baikanfu or Gordion have inner robots who's arms extend past elbow. Whoops, there goes my faulty memory, you're right of course. I still stand by my statement though that the Baikanfu was designed with a greater amount of flexibility in its nesting design, even down to the fantastic bendy waist, which makes me appreciate it all the more. Also true. As far as oldschool type gimmicks, just like the oldschool look, Gordion has it down. And I certainly don't fault it for that - I just don't happen to like it all that much. Cool! thanks.
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Post by xiombarg on Feb 16, 2010 16:51:56 GMT -5
CM created their own comparison problem by deciding to make another nested figure in a relatively short amount of time after Baikanfu. Baikanfu was about as perfect a rendition of a contemporary redesigned figure as I've ever come across. Not only did they get the nesting gimmick spot on, but all the figures were scaled almost perfectly, the articulation was incredible, and if that wasn't enough Baikanfu just looked so kick ass. Where CM has never ranked real high in engineering or design generally, it would be hard for anyone not forsee the comparison complaints flying their way.
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Post by Chen on Feb 16, 2010 17:18:31 GMT -5
I'm thinking the basic Gordian design, is well boring. I'm sure CM's could have updated it or for lack of a better word "katoki-fied" it but then old school fans would complain and new school fans would still have no idea what robot this is. Perhaps if the blue was darker and had a pearl finish it would look better, but as is it's just to plain looking and looks like it's made out of all plastic. I wonder what the re-paint or limited version will look like.
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Post by roboto on Feb 16, 2010 17:52:06 GMT -5
It does look like a plastic model kit. In any case, CM's usually has a hit or miss with their products. There's a normal and limited version with the difference being with Gabin's head sculpt. Wait a few months and the price will fall, or it will be reissued with a sticker "Asia Limited Version" on the same box.
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Post by zamboace on Feb 16, 2010 18:07:20 GMT -5
Also true. As far as oldschool type gimmicks, just like the oldschool look, Gordion has it down. And I certainly don't fault it for that - I just don't happen to like it all that much. I just think that it's fascinating how Bandai and CM's took what is essentially the same robot and took it in such different directions. There's a normal and limited version with the difference being with Gabin's head sculpt. Which head is which?
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Post by roboto on Feb 16, 2010 18:15:03 GMT -5
Which head is which? Normal Version on left side. Limited Version on right side.
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Post by Magmatron on Feb 16, 2010 18:21:40 GMT -5
The one on the right is the limited. Looks like it's designed to look like the vintage one.
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Post by Chen on Feb 16, 2010 18:33:15 GMT -5
Also true. As far as oldschool type gimmicks, just like the oldschool look, Gordion has it down. And I certainly don't fault it for that - I just don't happen to like it all that much. I just think that it's fascinating how Bandai and CM's took what is essentially the same robot and took it in such different directions. I'm thinking it's because the two shows came out at different times. Although the Godaikin toys were basically the same Gordian aired in the late 70's while Baikanfu showed up about half a decade later and benefited from more modern animation. Still if one othese does go on sale in a few months I might be tempted to pick one, just so I have a Gordian in my collection.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Feb 16, 2010 20:05:57 GMT -5
I got mine today! Pretty large box but nothing fancy. The robot doesn't look all that big in person as it does in pictures, especially the Protesser and the Derringar. However, I prefer this one over the Bainkafu - but just because I hate GoBots as much as I hate Transformers.
I know, I know... if Bandai would've come out with an SOC Gordian it would leave this one in the dust, but right now this is it folks!
}D
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Post by SuperAnimeRobot on Feb 16, 2010 20:20:39 GMT -5
Wait a few months and the price will fall, or it will be reissued with a sticker "Asia Limited Version" on the same box. with the normal versions, yes prices do drop after a while. however, not all the times with the miyazawa and hongkong limited versions due to its rarity. i've waited for more than a year before i snatch a cm's gakeen limited version (300 pcs) in ebay. hoping it would be cheaper then but the price remained the same. and tougher to find too... i think i will give in with the miyazawa version of cm's gordian but im worried it's only limited to 150 this time. hope they will not hoard this gokin, thus making it more expensive...
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