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Post by KingboyD on Jan 17, 2011 9:19:19 GMT -5
Bill and Dylan cursed me. We were chatting on the new chat page last week, and we were talking about parts of these toys degrading over time. Bill mentioned the tank treads, and one of the two (I can't recall) mentioned that certain parts react with the styrofoam packaging. Well, lo and behold, I was pulling out stuff to photograph for the website when I discovered this exact scenario. I have a MIB Space Mammy (PB-99), and it includes two small rubbers figures. These were fine a few years ago when I last looked at this. However, now they had melted into the styrofoam packaging. The figures themselves seemed OK, with the exception of some shiny film over them (which I was able to remove without damaging the figures), but the lid and case of the styrofoam had melted away. BE WARNED! Properly protect your toys. You might think you have a MIB toy, but if you leave it as is, there's a good chance that it will no longer be MIB next time you open it. I put these figures in a small ziploc bag to protect the styrofoam from future damage. I just hope the bag won't damage the styrofoam either. This could be expanded into a discussion of the merits of pursuing only MIB toys, knowing that even MIB toys can end up damaged over time. From degrading rubber, to brittle blue plastic, to styrofoam eating rubber, there is so much risk to dropping huge quantities of money on these toys. I'm not saying no one should. And most people don't buy them for investment purposes. I'm just saying that the feasibility of it all must come into question. Who knows what other common damage we might discover given another 10 years or so. Nothing is safe! (Hide your women, hide your children... protect your toys!)
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Post by bt1 on Jan 17, 2011 9:53:46 GMT -5
Oh sh*t man, that totally sucks! I've never seen issues with tank treads reacting with the styro (maybe the way it sits it doesn't touch much of it), but the rubber figures definitely - gatchaspartans, DX Battle Shark etc. the rubber just melts into it. I believe most deadstock items will have the figures bagged and protected, but definitely check if you think you have some loose rubber inside styro. Nothing is safe! (Hide your women, hide your children... protect your toys!) You forgot "and hide your husbands too, 'cause they're rapin' everybody out here" ;D
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Post by KingboyD on Jan 17, 2011 10:55:30 GMT -5
I believe most deadstock items will have the figures bagged and protected, but definitely check if you think you have some loose rubber inside styro. Yeah, I guess that's a good point. Mine must have been opened at some point in time, because these were loose, as were the missiles. So I suppose "true" MIB untouched toys would be protected. At least from this issue.
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Post by magengar on Jan 17, 2011 14:52:47 GMT -5
WOW!!!!!!!! This is quite THE Shocker! The EYE OPENER! Dude, Thanks Eternal for the heads up! Damn... my GX-01R is in its box in Puerto Rico with my mom. I can't ask her to let it out, she wouldn't know what to do with it. Looks like I'll have to fly back there soon to rotate my figs in their boxes or let them out on permanent display. Damn! zozo-Magengar
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Post by bt1 on Jan 17, 2011 15:25:10 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa, magengar, don't panic! This problem exists for Rubber, not plastic parts that touch the white syrofoam.
I'm pretty sure there are no rubber parts with the GX01R, nor is it even packed with any styro. While modern toys are not my area, I'm pretty sure no SOC are packed with styro, like the old vintage ones.
Someone more knowledgable on modern SOC can please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by repairtechjon on Jan 17, 2011 18:05:37 GMT -5
OK, I'll add in.
Yes, for the SOC's , the main body of the figure is packed in an old-skool squeaky-foam coffin of goodness. However, that's just for the main diecast body, and it's in a baggie anyways. Any little rubbery bits are usually in a clear plastic type tray in another part of the box. No issue with bonding here.
The issue is known most commonly in the vintage DX Gardian set. The little rubber yellow pilot, and Clint, the black rubber robo-panther, react with the white foam, and sink into, or through it. The white blob of styro usually just peels right off the rubber figure, and it's fine. BUT, you now have a deep ugly divot, or hole right through the otherwise perfect styrofoam.
And YES, this does happen with MIB toys, as many vintage toys did NOT pack the rubber accessories in clear baggies, just placed them right into the slot in the styrofoam. Some got baggies, many not. So not an indication that the toy was played with, unless that particular model was known to be packed a certain way.
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Post by magengar on Jan 17, 2011 23:44:13 GMT -5
I feel relieved; and yes, I forgot the main body of the SOC is placed in a plastic baggy before stashing it in its coffin. You just saved me some airfare for now, Thanks. ;D
zozo-Magengar
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Post by mecha-mania on Jan 18, 2011 22:17:43 GMT -5
dat really sucked! speaking of DX Gardian, yeah those rubbery figures in my boxset, like the pilot, melted off and somewhat fused to the white styrofoam case...have to cut it out using a penknife what happened to my SOC battlefever was really bizzare, i bought it misb some years back (but din really know how long it was kept sealed before i purchased it), took everything out and set it up for display in my cabinet, din really bother with it for a couple of months, and when i decided to clean my cabinet, i tried moving the little fella away and guess what? the right are just cracked up and fell off!!! i really dont know what happened, but the cabinet is cool and dry and away from direct sun. when we purchase mib or misb stuff, its really a mixed bag, on one hand, we are getting complete (for misb) and brand new stuff, but what have no idea how the previous owner have stored them and how they were delivered to us until we open the box and inspect them.
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Post by magengar on Jan 19, 2011 1:52:26 GMT -5
There's nothing more Kick-In-Da-Balz than to find a surprize in your boxed item and then you ;D zozo-Magengar
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Post by hardymen on Apr 18, 2011 21:27:13 GMT -5
I have a popy Jeeg 1975...I opened it yesterday to show a fellow collector...to my surprise parts of the styrofoam appeared to have melted away....
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Post by sketcher on Apr 18, 2011 22:19:05 GMT -5
I have a popy Jeeg 1975...I opened it yesterday to show a fellow collector...to my surprise parts of the styrofoam appeared to have melted away.... Interesting. Did it melt in sections where it contacted the toy, or was it random. Can you be specific about the affected areas?
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Post by chachipower on Apr 19, 2011 21:09:26 GMT -5
Yeah i noticed the lion figure in my Gardian wasnt there, there was a hole instead. Turns out it melted through. I grabbed the figure from the other side of the styro and freaked as I pulled it away from the styro because it peeled away some of the "glossy finish" so I was a bit upset until I realized that the glossy finish wasnt a finish at all. It was the melted styro and came off easily. As for the pilot figure he hasnt gone all the way through as he is just sort of fused for now having traveled a good inch through the styro!
weird stuff. Sux to have that on an otherwise nice styro tray
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Post by mecha-mania on Apr 26, 2011 21:26:24 GMT -5
that probably explains why Gardian is one of the cheapest godaikins out there.
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Post by hardymen on May 8, 2011 6:52:20 GMT -5
Interesting. Did it melt in sections where it contacted the toy, or was it random. Can you be specific about the affected areas? Read more: robotjapan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Popychogokin&action=display&thread=17870#ixzz1LlDtNLAiThe area that seemed to have disintegrated is on the right side portion, it's not touching any part of the toy...,it seemed a little odd, but I was thinking the styrofoam must have an expiration date....the toy is 1974...maybe the degradation is a natural process.
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Post by mecha-mania on May 8, 2011 20:39:02 GMT -5
styrofoam trays are ok, otherwise most of our godaikins/popy are gone by now ;D its the rubbery toys/stuff that are the problem, i dont really know what kinda substance manufacturers put in there, but its just like those rubber erasers i kept as a kid, not only will they melt (almost a certainty), but they tend to fuse with almost anything thats next to it.
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Post by magengar on May 9, 2011 13:16:20 GMT -5
Yeah, rubber is very peculiar like that. I dunno why rubber reacts that way. It's true, though. Just like when I'm working on my molds, if I don't apply release agent to the old rubber, the new rubber bonds to it. Silicone, Latex, whatever kind of rubber, tend to stick and bond to one another over time, especially in hot environments. Stay away from rubber, or you'll end up like This... ;D zozo-Mag
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Post by chachipower on May 9, 2011 23:21:27 GMT -5
Interesting. Did it melt in sections where it contacted the toy, or was it random. Can you be specific about the affected areas? Read more: robotjapan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Popychogokin&action=display&thread=17870#ixzz1LlDtNLAiThe area that seemed to have disintegrated is on the right side portion, it's not touching any part of the toy...,it seemed a little odd, but I was thinking the styrofoam must have an expiration date....the toy is 1974...maybe the degradation is a natural process. It melted perfectly around the shape of the two rubber figures. The rest of the styro is in great shape. It was only affected where the figures touched the styrofoam.
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Post by mannix143 on May 10, 2011 12:46:37 GMT -5
just wondering, was the box exposed to heat or sunlight where the stryo melted? or is this a natural thing for styro overtime.
about the rubber threads(correct me if im wrong), i think i read back then(it was for the rubber threads for panzer wheels) that once in a while you should wipe it with oil or dw40, cant remember which one, so it wont get brittle.
for plastic, i dunno what to do, the 3ft great maz's knee bent off, kinda melted a little even if its not exposed to heat. i still have to get a heat gun or hair dryer to get it fix.
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