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Post by chachipower on Jul 20, 2013 13:44:53 GMT -5
By the way... just thinking here...what are the chances that Toynami would distribute the Vehicle Voltron here for Miracle seeing as they seem to have a license now? I wouldnt be surprised. It would benefit both companies.
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Post by xTIMMYxCOREx on Jul 20, 2013 13:45:22 GMT -5
Confirmed it will be die cast
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Post by kingdom2000toys on Jul 20, 2013 14:21:43 GMT -5
By the way... just thinking here...what are the chances that Toynami would distribute the Vehicle Voltron here for Miracle seeing as they seem to have a license now? I wouldnt be surprised. It would benefit both companies. Now that's a very interesting possibility...
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Post by Philo Beddoe on Jul 20, 2013 14:25:37 GMT -5
Old 70/80's toys were/are great investments because when they came out people didn't think of them as investments.
Toys/Comics/equity investments all have risk. If you take your example and go back 6 years to 2006-07 I would venture to say you would be up well over 85% (depending on what of course). I may have been lucky, and luck never hurts, but I was scooping up, for example, SOCs, Lego's, Macross 1/48 and 1/60's left and right while the economy was in the crapper. If I was to sell all of them now I would easily gain 100% versus my purchase price.
I don't disagree toys are a joy but they CAN be an investment as well. Even if you broke even with a figure you purchased 5 years ago you still got to have something tangible in your hand, enjoyed it for the past 5 years, and got some money back.
Obviously there's no right or wrong here but there's a difference between "not and investment" and "can be an investment".
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Post by kingdom2000toys on Jul 20, 2013 14:38:37 GMT -5
Luck is huge, unless your soul purpose is to store for investment and that still is like the gambling table. Hey to each his own. (I'm not filling up my basement with toys so I can retire. - The wife would kill me in my sleep. ) All the examples you mention are great. But I don't correlate those purchases together - I love Legos for my kids and I have a few SETs that are AWESOME (and have gained some value). I buy Robots, before Macross, because that's my flavor. But yea, I could string certain toys together and hope for a better than 100% return. Like anything it's a tough way to earn money - gotta love it. And yes, I wish I had bought more back then - fortunately I still have my vintage TransFormers. EDIT - and now a word from the MODS... Back to topic.
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Post by twoducks on Jul 20, 2013 15:29:12 GMT -5
By the way... just thinking here...what are the chances that Toynami would distribute the Vehicle Voltron here for Miracle seeing as they seem to have a license now? I wouldnt be surprised. It would benefit both companies. That is what I have been thinking for a time now. They basically did that with the Beagle and Megahouse Mospeada ride armors. That could even open up the posibility of a plastic version of VV. It would be cheaper and would actually make toy fun to handle.
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Post by demonseed on Jul 20, 2013 16:14:24 GMT -5
By the way... just thinking here...what are the chances that Toynami would distribute the Vehicle Voltron here for Miracle seeing as they seem to have a license now? I wouldnt be surprised. It would benefit both companies. Now that's a very interesting possibility... Very intresting and now that I think about it, it seems very possible. At some point Dave sounded excited where the lic was going, and did suggest it could affect "MP-01".
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Post by mrclean08 on Jul 20, 2013 17:04:25 GMT -5
I can assure you it wasnt. The Toynami Voltron was a surprise. At least to me. The last thing we knew Toynami was making was the Shogun Warriors based on original designs. What CDX was alluding to had nothing to do with Toynami. Chachi.... So... Dish! I mean that was some time ago, what were they eluding to? SDCC is already out - whatever they ment, should already be showing now right? Agreed. C'mon Charles. Pretty pleeeeease?
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Post by crpdiablos on Jul 20, 2013 19:05:25 GMT -5
Heres another far out speculation. Maybe Toynami already owns the MP molds and is behind all the repairs going on and delays. MP is just a front for the first run of these until all the bugs get worked out then Toynami will take over with the refined product. Dude its the X Files all over again Im gonna call Mulder and get him to investigate
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Post by erikla on Jul 20, 2013 20:21:57 GMT -5
Saw this up close at comic con... Not impressed
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Post by Hellbot on Jul 20, 2013 23:33:05 GMT -5
See my post above kingdom.
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Post by chachipower on Jul 20, 2013 23:54:53 GMT -5
Chachi.... So... Dish! I mean that was some time ago, what were they eluding to? SDCC is already out - whatever they ment, should already be showing now right? Agreed. C'mon Charles. Pretty pleeeeease? We need to respect the co fidentiality of the info. It could get people in trouble, well find out eventually regardless. Its tough to have info believe me. Ive heard and seen things that would blow some peoples minds...some never materialize and some do. Or you hear about some stuff that can be filed under xfiles lol
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Post by crpdiablos on Jul 21, 2013 0:49:49 GMT -5
This may answer the question on price from the volron forum posted 21 July 2013 12:35 AM
I grilled the very nice Toynami reps about this item at their booth on Friday - - they indicated that while they will not sell it directly of course, Amazon may have it on pre-order by the end of 2013 (in a to be specifically determined $200.00+ price range).
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Post by surlyj on Jul 21, 2013 1:42:55 GMT -5
Well looking at this today at sdcc, I liked it and the base is awesome. To my eye,it didn't look die cast at all, it looked very plastic. Perhaps they just toned down the metallic sheen of the metal.
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Post by xtrlowz75 on Jul 21, 2013 1:54:01 GMT -5
Now that I look at the base more, do the weapons pop off? It looks like they do and maybe not just painted on. So maybe it will have at least the lion mouth swords.?.
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Post by erikla on Jul 21, 2013 2:53:56 GMT -5
Well looking at this today at sdcc, I liked it and the base is awesome. To my eye,it didn't look die cast at all, it looked very plastic. Perhaps they just toned down the metallic sheen of the metal. I thought the same i was at sdcc too. Didnt seem like there was any visible diecast content
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Post by toyfan777 on Jul 21, 2013 3:24:43 GMT -5
Joined this board years ago but haven't been posting... I've got the first Diecast release and I'm not aware of any major QC issues. Yeah, they couldn't stand properly as they were too heavy and some of the lions' limbs even broke. A couple if my friends experienced it. Seems most of issues came from the first production run and not so for the second run. The runs can be differiated from the certificate numbers - I can't recall now, my bad. Anyway, I picked up the plastic version and IMO its a decent figure. I'm wondering now with this release...does this mean Bandai can't release their own SOC rendition? And does it mean Mattel has lost the license?
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Post by Mr. Roboto on Jul 21, 2013 3:35:43 GMT -5
Don't you all think this license thing never been an exclusive one for a single company? For example after Yamato released Danguard Ace few years back, this month Bandai will release Danguard Ace in their SOC line. Still Evolution Toy plans to release it too in the future, as we all have seen their mold for Danguard Ace.
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Post by zman on Jul 21, 2013 3:43:03 GMT -5
Heres another far out speculation. Maybe Toynami already owns the MP molds and is behind all the repairs going on and delays. MP is just a front for the first run of these until all the bugs get worked out then Toynami will take over with the refined product. Dude its the X Files all over again Im gonna call Mulder and get him to investigate It does not seem too far fetched imho.
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Post by twoducks on Jul 21, 2013 5:43:20 GMT -5
This was said more than a year ago; It preaches TONS of facepalm worthy BS but it might also mean that MP has been trying to push VV around for a long time: Hello Voltron fans! I think I have all your questions...so here you go… 1. Molding corrections are 100% complete and tooling is progressing. What this means is that every screw, tab, button and connection point has to be made & tested. This will take a few weeks to complete. Miracle Productions is asking everyone to be patient, as they are working as quickly as possible. They have a contractual deadline to meet and want this release to happen as soon as possible. Voltron is being made by the same factory as many of your favorites and the time lines come from them. They are going to send me a finished sample towards the end of the month, and I will do a follow up on CDX . They will also have new images at that time. 2. They have signed an exclusive agreement with HK's largest toy distributor who will be making all announcements and handling marketing. Miracle is limited by this contract in HK, and will not be selling direct. They are strictly the producer at this point. This distributor is also the Bandai rep, so they are taking a cautious approach so as not to ruffle any feathers. They began soliciting orders last month and are 50% sold out. 3. The packaging design is underway and will be similar to Fewture Models. It will be a heavy box with a slip cover and Styrofoam tray. 4. Please keep in mind that I am only a retailer and have no affiliation with Miracle Productions. I can say I have known them for years and have total faith in their abilities. Because this toy is only licensed for sale in Asia, it makes it extremely difficult to even talk about it. I have received several letters from the rights holder and had to suspend orders. I will do my best to relay info. as it comes in, but please be patient and remember that even though it seems a bit quiet…things are still moving forward. I see delays every single month from every manufacturer I work with, and none of them are very forthcoming. You guys are always welcome to call or email me anytime! The so called "contractual deadline" (HA!) might be refering to the expiration of their Asia only license. But it also says that MP was working with someone close to Bandai (take that with a huge grain of salt). The big B is supposed to not have the WEP license and that distributor might have dumped MP long ago. Cut forwards to a few weeks ago and this part in bold is very interesting: Just messaged Dave he is getting on a flight and I should have an update for you guys soon as he lands. Baron W. I spoke with Dave about 1 hour ago. I do LIKE Dave. Every time I speak with him, I get the feeling he is a good guy & genuinely cares about his customers. I urged him to communicate his info, because otherwise his reputation takes a beating. (I always appreciate the info he provides - But sometimes, you have to go digging for yourself.) Summarize my conversation: 1) JUNE RELEASE: About 200 pcs left the factory to HK customer (and abroad). MP got a lot more returns than they expected. This caused them to slow down production (Fix issues as needed). 2) QC ISSUES: a) Spoiler and Paint apps have been fixed. b) Some other mechanical issues have caused more returns (Unsure of which these are, Dave couldn't answer here. Your guess is as good as mine - Someone that owns one can tell us better.) c) MP did a running change to remold some parts because of this issue. They received quite a few returns for this and rather than get more, they are fixing as they build. 3) TOYFREAKS ORDERS: ... "Wait for it..." Dave has a large quantity of VVs on order with MP... (More than 500, less than 1000 - don't know, but good for his business.) This will come from the Japan distributor not directly from MP. The distributor is still getting the quantity together - It has not shipped yet. His expectation is that this will happen in the next 2 weeks. And then another 2-3 weeks for BOAT. Gents, I believe him. This is very logical and fits into the story of what we have seen so far. I haven't cancelled my orders. As long as I can have REAL updates, I will hang in there. Dave mentioned he is trying to work with the new LICENSE holder to get this VV legitimized in the US. Don't know what this means, but he mentioned it, so there it is...Back to work. The whole license thing was dead before the first VV batch was released but if Dave is still poking at it it means that MP might be trying to get the new license holder to sell VV under their name. Here is where Toynami being involved could really be a reality. Like I said, they have released other companies products under their name, at least for the Robotech line.
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