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Post by madkilla on Dec 22, 2013 22:44:21 GMT -5
So thanks to this board I now have a substantial collection of Gokins, SOC's, SRC's and these giant...crappy...ancient robot toys with motorized feet that I somehow love. I finished my shelf today and I just asked myself "where are the bad guy bots?" I mean I can't find any. Maybe they made them and I missed them, but I have only been able to find 3 variations of Mazinger's Garada and Doublas. Now I am not really that familiar with shows like Grendizer or Gao Gai Gar etc so maybe they exist...but I haven't seen them. I am a huge Getter fan so I know my Getter villians, and they don't make $#!^. In most of these shows it is was a new bad guy in every episode, but in this sea of bad designs there are some gems. Why hasn't anyone made Jirai's Robot. I mean the thing just looks bad ass. Someone show me something to match the good guys on my shelf.
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Post by ancestral on Dec 22, 2013 23:01:05 GMT -5
I agree! I would love to see some bad guy robots. That seems like an untapped market.
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Post by repairtechjon on Dec 22, 2013 23:34:45 GMT -5
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Post by actionawesome on Dec 22, 2013 23:39:01 GMT -5
A couple in the SRC line. Black Might Gaine. Anti-Gurren Lagann. As I understand God Reideen is. There have been some in the SOC line. Both Black Ox. I think Revoltech made a few too.
Still. Way too rare.
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Post by actionawesome on Dec 22, 2013 23:40:00 GMT -5
I am always surprised some third party does not make them. Or someone does botbuse crowd sourcing to produce them
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Dec 22, 2013 23:43:07 GMT -5
Bandai SOC Bad robots:
Garada K7 Doublas M2 Mineva X (yes, it was a bad guy!) Black Ox Black Ox New Version Energer Z
}D
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Post by madkilla on Dec 23, 2013 1:52:35 GMT -5
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Post by magengar on Dec 23, 2013 2:03:14 GMT -5
If all the enemy robots and monsters were to have been made for each of our robot/mech heroes, it would probably take a lot longer to complete our collections while trying to rack 'em all up. Nonetheless, yes, we do need more enemy robots/monsters for our heroes so they can trade blows on our shelves every time we leave the room. zozo-mag
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Post by gravewolf on Dec 23, 2013 2:35:20 GMT -5
There are too many enemy robots to pick out and a lot of people won't necessarily buy them so most companies are afraid of making them. But I do agree we need more enemy robot figures. I wish Bandai would make a separate SRC line consisting of enemy robots. They don't need much accesories and effect parts plus releasing it as src's would mean they would come out more affordable for Bandai to produce instead of an soc version. Maybe they could use the final enemy boss robots of each robot series as a start since the boss robots are usually the more memorable ones.
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Post by Lejam on Dec 23, 2013 2:58:01 GMT -5
I was asking myself too this question long time ago : where are the bad guys ? SOC Garada and Doublas are jewel in my collection : different colors, agressive shapes... Claws, spikes, teeth... Bandai could release standalone figure in SOC for an affordable price. Why not a "Mister Potato" set : a choice of different accessories with different bodies, legs, hands, heads... you mix everything to create unique bad robots.
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Post by magengar on Dec 23, 2013 3:15:33 GMT -5
That's a great idea....... Welcome to the Photon Lab Diner... now serving our breakfast special: Kikaiju Hash-browns! Buresto Faia-broiled kikaijus roasted in Photon rays at 30,000 degrees Fahrenheit, to warm you up on a Christmas early morning!As an added side-dish we'll throw in the voluptuous Aphrodai-A... ...because your fries need to go with That Shake! Mmmmmmmm, bootie-licious! zozo-mag I was asking myself too this question long time ago : where are the bad guys ? SOC Garada and Doublas are jewel in my collection : different colors, agressive shapes... Claws, spikes, teeth... Bandai could release standalone figure in SOC for an affordable price. Why not a " Mister Potato" set : a choice of different accessories with different bodies, legs, hands, heads... you mix everything to create unique bad robots.
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Post by gravewolf on Dec 23, 2013 4:07:28 GMT -5
An all plastic figure wouldn't be too bad as long as the plastic and sculpt is high quality. It's unfortunate that enemy robots in super robot series ain't popular compared to real robot enemies that even though they're disposable they were mass produced so they were still frequently being shown in every episode. A Mr. Potato like enemy robot line wouldn't do well in my opinion because we're not getting the exact enemy robots we watched getting destroyed and will turn up as just generic robots with no real attachment to any series.
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Post by Lejam on Dec 23, 2013 4:50:19 GMT -5
An all plastic figure wouldn't be too bad as long as the plastic and sculpt is high quality. It's unfortunate that enemy robots in super robot series ain't popular compared to real robot enemies that even though they're disposable they were mass produced so they were still frequently being shown in every episode. A Mr. Potato like enemy robot line wouldn't do well in my opinion because we're not getting the exact enemy robots we watched getting destroyed and will turn up as just generic robots with no real attachment to any series. It's all about the licence And it's time 3rd party start playing in super robot game. All plastic figure with good mold is okay, but it's better with paint + varnish coat. (ET Shin Jeeg got a great mold but plastic render sucks a lot) Evolution toy magnetic ball joint are a good alternative to save money and works fine with Mazinger Z or Grendizer enemy designs. Arms, basin and legs are often the same shame : that means mold re-use, so money can be save too. -> Why not starting a Robot Japan effort by creating what we need for our collection ? We all are spending a lot (and too much) money in toys. -> this time we can start our own collection. IMO, I can open a survey to create a top rank bad Robots, then I will start producing 3d shapes. 2 options : - shapeways : figure kit can be ordered, but you have to prepare and paint (cheaper method). - 3d print -> molding a master prototype -> creating molds -> casting -> painting (a long road to excellence). Your feedback ?
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Post by wartaker on Dec 23, 2013 7:42:47 GMT -5
For Villian Mech , I prefer this one.
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Post by KingboyD on Dec 23, 2013 8:30:49 GMT -5
The problem is that you are collecting the wrong media. The villains are getting a lot of love in the vinyl market lately. For instance, Medicom has been issuing some classic Mazinger, Kamen Rider, Tigermask, and Devilman villains never before seen in toy form. Secret Base also issued some smaller Maz villains (e.g., Doublas, Rokuran). But this long has been the accepted form for villains. While diecast robots have historically focused primarily on the good guys (there are some villains, such as the Nakajima Ganira from the Tekkaman series, but these are few and far between), vintage vinyls have long featured the enemies, from Godzilla baddies to Ultraman foes galore. Even the Jumbo Machinder villains are not your typical JM material. But companies like Popy also issued vintage vinyl Mazinger villains, among others (e.g., Red Baron). Now they are getting a revival from companies like Medicom. They are pricey for new vinyl, but hopefully they sell well enough to continue the tradition. And as previously indicated, while the good guy robots are repeated in every episode, most villains were destroyed by the episode's end. So they are not well know by consumers, and unless they were prominently featured perhaps in the opening credits, they would undoubtedly sell poorly due to lack of recognition. Edited for a few examples: www.medicomtoy.co.jp/prod/dt/16/84/8328.html www.medicomtoy.co.jp/prod/dt/16/84/7711.htmlwww.medicomtoy.co.jp/prod/dt/16/84/7638.htmlwww.medicomtoy.co.jp/prod/dt/16/84/7313.htmlwww.medicomtoy.co.jp/prod/dt/16/84/8536.htmlAnd aside from these and various versions of Mazinger Z, they have been recently issuing other robots and heroes such as Jeeg, Grendizer, Zubat, and Astekaizer.
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Post by gravewolf on Dec 23, 2013 10:13:01 GMT -5
LejamWe should also post pics of these bad robots and also categorize them by series. I find the ones on Voltes V and Daimos better designed baddies considering they were designed in the seventies. I'm actually thinking doing some bad robots using polymer clay if my contact with a supplier pushes through since I can get kilos of the stuff for cheap
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Post by Lejam on Dec 23, 2013 11:11:51 GMT -5
LejamWe should also post pics of these bad robots and also categorize them by series. I find the ones on Voltes V and Daimos better designed baddies considering they were designed in the seventies. I'm actually thinking doing some bad robots using polymer clay if my contact with a supplier pushes through since I can get kilos of the stuff for cheap True. I am not a specialist of these "Superbads", so RJ community can input a lot and make a good top chart/rank for each major series. -> for sure it will create new debates about who's the most famous, fierce or whatever (we know passion is burning out there) Early 2014, I will start new vocational training in modeling (XSI, Zbrush and test MODO, Rhino, Catia, Mari), so it will a good improvement/training for me to design some of these. I will start by testing 3d printing process with the Vegan spacer prototype I already designed... Then I will test the 2 solutions I mentionned few posts before.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Dec 23, 2013 12:18:15 GMT -5
I need to learn how to do 3D printable models! As soon as those 3D printers come down in price, I think I will stop buying figures forever, and just make my own! Lejam, you should make these enemy mecha 3D models and put them on Shapeways for sale! I'll be your first customer!!! }D
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Post by magengar on Dec 23, 2013 14:17:30 GMT -5
If this could be of any reference help as a starting point to inspire ideas for basic generic enemy robot/monster designs for toys, figures, vinyls, statues, and so forth......... ...Time again and again, outside viewers compliment our collections of all these Heroic robots. And then the million-dollar question gets asked: " Do they fight monsters?" ...well, they Could fight monsters if we could provide them with some baddies to beat up on. And I don't mean just staging a battle scene by posing an SRC with a 6" vinyl Bandai Godzilla monster. I mean using ANYTHING that will justify the existence of the heroic robot. After all, why build a battleship if there are no pirates around! Right now I'm using two vinyl Triceratops monsters for my smaller SRC-sized figures. But those vinyl reptiles are just four-legged monsters with no articulation at all. Whenever I browse at thrift stores I look for old toy dinosaurs and weird bad-guy toy robots that I can stage with my heroic super-robots. Eventually I'll just have to create my own kikaiju designs to complete the imaginary battle scenes on my shelves. I'm just THAT bored. lol zozo-mag
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Post by surlyj on Dec 26, 2013 14:52:50 GMT -5
Jirai's robot would be an awesome toy to have.
I would love some bad buy bots too. But everyone has missed a big mark for this lack of villain phenomenon, the Japanese market, as a general rule, isn't that interested in villains. Japan wants heroes, heroes and more heroes. Western culture has romanticized the villain role and has common, recurring villain characters that we hold as dear as the heroes they fluster. In japan though, as pointed out, villains tend to be one off characters, there one episode to pose a threat and die, never to be seen again. So it's not that there are simply too many villains to make figures from, so much as the reason there are so many is because none of them are that important to the culture over there. Western imports i think are why we are starting to see a little shift towards making villains. The SH monsterarts are finally making good villain toys in ghidorah, destroyah and biollante. Figuarts has given us a few villains for DBZ in Frieza and Cell. And HLPro is pushing forward by making gin gin and giru giru. But even in the SH bandai lines, the focus is heavily on the heroes.
Sadly, unless a western company steps up to start making gokins, or an eastern one starts catering more directly to westerners, I don't think we will see more than theocdd villain here and there made.
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