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Post by S_Gokin on Nov 12, 2014 14:00:02 GMT -5
I agree with what you are saying but someone already mentioned that this bot is the bread and butter for them. Any attempt to make any type of money without giving them a majority cut is trouble. I don't know if this situation will turned out like Miracles MP where the units have been produced but moving the units are hard cause everything has to be sold secretly, on eBay etc... It took a while before some major of shore etailers to sell them without fear. Heck even toyarena started to sell them after a while. I believe these have been produced, just have to wait to see who's selling them in the coming months. well from what i see its about the deal they can ask for a huge amount cash for the licences only or ask for cash for the licences and a percentage of the sales im sure some big companies will give them a cut, but the thing is they dont want to give any licences for any foreign company, i remember Bandai was trying to get a licences for Golion but some how Toynami got the licences AGAIN and what they do with it make the same figure with very minor updates at the end they been childish and greedy but the only one is caught in the middle of fire is us fans and collectors
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Post by supergetterv on Nov 12, 2014 14:03:42 GMT -5
KO/Bootleg are copying original designs. What MT and 3rd party transformers do is look at original designs and make their own based from it. Or they may look to comic or other sources and produce those versions which have never been touched in toy form. Point is the product in question wasn't a KO/bootleg it was a re imagining of an existing product. And exactly the point you are trying to make is exactly defining bootleg. Reimagining, producing likeness, whatever you want to call it, it's still bootlegging a character that exist and copyright infringement. I get you are trying to say that this isn't based off any existing media. I.E. this design is not based of a cartoon drawing or comic drawing. But the fact that it is instantly recognized as who it is make it a bootleg version of said character and grounds for why weepy can go after. But do recognize how I differentiate bootleg and KO as they are not the same. KO again is replicating and reproducing something already made and exist. One can KO a bootleg but can't bootleg a KO. Take for instance, any KO company can come in recast this KOB Gokin and make a KO version of it. But it would be impossible to Bootleg that KO because the company would have to make something totally different. Because a copy of a copy is still a copy. Meaning making a Recast of the KO would still be a KO and not a bootleg.
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Post by B- on Nov 12, 2014 15:32:14 GMT -5
Glad Im in on the preorder,as who knows it might have been the only way to get one!
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Post by S_Gokin on Nov 12, 2014 16:34:25 GMT -5
now even the FB page is gone i hope the people who didn't preorder like me will get a chance to get one somehow
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 12, 2014 17:39:50 GMT -5
Of course. Just keep your eyes peeled. This is not the first time something like this has happened. }D
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Post by S_Gokin on Nov 12, 2014 18:25:50 GMT -5
honestly bro this is the first time i live the events lol usually i watch behind the lines or read what happen as guest but now since i become a member i feel more like im a part of the events
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Post by Gakken on Nov 12, 2014 20:06:41 GMT -5
This is an unlicensed 3rd party - ie original design.
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Post by magengar on Nov 13, 2014 0:15:53 GMT -5
I can't believe we didn't have more brains about this..after the miracle thing no one saw this coming? We should have warned Cdx not to post review or they should have known..but I'm also guilty..stupid.I'm just praying and sending positive vibes to Tony..my last reference to this ..wanna keep It positive I knew this was coming a while back. And all along I had a hunch that Something terrible would happen and a certain AZZhole korporation would interfere and try to stop the Beast King. I've been away from this thread a couple days, and now I've come back to find out there is trouble going on? I certainly hope Not. I see Red. I see lotsa blood boiling Red. And that freaking AZZhole korporation has fv<ked with the wrong Goraion fans here!!! I FREAKING DESPISE THAT KORPORATION!!!!!! FREAK VOLTRON!!!!!! I also feel guilty as hell for sharing MT's updates on my facebook page... ...I didn't think that would also leave traces for the AZZhole korporation to pick up on; but somehow they Did pick up lots of info off the internet altogether, thru search-engine results for what they were after, and comments about this left on Facebook, and hired informants disguised as "fans" acting on recon and gathering all the information needed to nail MT. Who knows, for all we know some sh*thead may have posted MT's facebook page onto AZZhole korporation's facebook news feed? Anything? Remember, with little effort, a korporation Can do a web-search By Name as a key word ( exact Key word, or wild-card variations of) for their property... ...anything that is discussed in these threads, related to this toy By Name, will appear in the public search-engine results. Public search engines such as Yahoo!, Bing, Google, MSN, you name it- ALL public search engines will log it. The same thing happens when production companies go after fansub torrent websites and on video sharers on YouTube, demanding anime torrents and YouTube videos to be taken down. So then, what now? Will MT still be able to produce this Beast King? Or has the AZZhole korporation killed this dream entirely?! zozo-mag
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Post by magengar on Nov 13, 2014 0:25:33 GMT -5
Ya know? Bandai can just license and distribute the toy. They don't have any SOC or SRC Voltron Beast King GoLion so just save engineering-money/engineering-time and license MT's. Profit! It's not that easy. The AZZhole korporation is extremely tightassed with their precious sh*ttron. They would never award Bandai a license to make an SOC of this robot. With Bandai's track record of excellent quality SOC's, they'd give the AZZhole korporation a diarrheatic run for their money. zozo-mag
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Post by magengar on Nov 13, 2014 0:27:59 GMT -5
Check your PM: I answered that question for you. zozo-mag
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Post by supergetterv on Nov 13, 2014 1:02:30 GMT -5
This is an unlicensed 3rd party - ie original design. True, you are right. This make it a unlicensed 3rd party original design but still is a Bootleg GLion/VTron. 3rd party is nothing more than just a nice way of saying bootleg. So here it is again, 3rd party=bootleg and bootleg does not = KO. I am done with this off topic stuff. Just waiting to see real updates on this bootleg gokin Vtron/gLion.
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Post by magengar on Nov 13, 2014 1:59:42 GMT -5
Glad Im in on the preorder,as who knows it might have been the only way to get one! BTW, Happy Birthday, Baron!!! zozo-mag
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 13, 2014 8:30:00 GMT -5
Glad Im in on the preorder,as who knows it might have been the only way to get one! BTW, Happy Birthday, Baron!!! zozo-mag LOL... Happy Birthday, Baron! May all your wishes come true! }D
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Post by aeonian on Nov 13, 2014 9:19:27 GMT -5
Possibly the first time I preorder WHILE watching the Review. Go! (hence the link to the Italian, pre-Voltron, OP) Im an Italian American,and I have the same tastes in Super Robots as Italians seem too,BUT wow the opening themes they remake for animes are just TERRIBLE! They are all upbeat and childish like the music here..wonder why? LOL I agree it´s not great, but is the only one we had before that horrible Voltron stuff happened, with censorship et al. Even as a kid I hated it, and the horrible toy with cockpits and out of scale figures. Thank go I and had the Jap DX Golion depends ... do you ahve more examples? Jeeg italian OP Jeeg jap OP As much as prefer when they didn´t touch the originals (Kasshern, Polymar, Zambot3 for instance) and of course I have the the obvious nostalgia bias... but I think Gundam, Daitarn3, Tryder G7 and the Nagai robots all got good ones. Even less known ones as Bryger or Daikengo had ones that I still wouldn´t call childish. PS: apologies if this is OT
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Post by S_Gokin on Nov 13, 2014 10:05:51 GMT -5
I can't believe we didn't have more brains about this..after the miracle thing no one saw this coming? We should have warned Cdx not to post review or they should have known..but I'm also guilty..stupid.I'm just praying and sending positive vibes to Tony..my last reference to this ..wanna keep It positive I knew this was coming a while back. And all along I had a hunch that Something terrible would happen and a certain AZZhole korporation would interfere and try to stop the Beast King. I've been away from this thread a couple days, and now I've come back to find out there is trouble going on? I certainly hope Not. I see Red. I see lotsa blood boiling Red. And that freaking AZZhole korporation has fv<ked with the wrong Goraion fans here!!! I FREAKING DESPISE THAT KORPORATION!!!!!! FREAK VOLTRON!!!!!! I also feel guilty as hell for sharing MT's updates on my facebook page... ...I didn't think that would also leave traces for the AZZhole korporation to pick up on; but somehow they Did pick up lots of info off the internet altogether, thru search-engine results for what they were after, and comments about this left on Facebook, and hired informants disguised as "fans" acting on recon and gathering all the information needed to nail MT. Who knows, for all we know some sh*thead may have posted MT's facebook page onto AZZhole korporation's facebook news feed? Anything? Remember, with little effort, a korporation Can do a web-search By Name as a key word ( exact Key word, or wild-card variations of) for their property... ...anything that is discussed in these threads, related to this toy By Name, will appear in the public search-engine results. Public search engines such as Yahoo!, Bing, Google, MSN, you name it- ALL public search engines will log it. The same thing happens when production companies go after fansub torrent websites and on video sharers on YouTube, demanding anime torrents and YouTube videos to be taken down. So then, what now? Will MT still be able to produce this Beast King? Or has the AZZhole korporation killed this dream entirely?! zozo-mag what done is done bro, im sure one of those haters on FB reported it to WEP and as fans first and collectors second we need MT to pull it and produce it, because this isn't fair for Golion
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Post by B- on Nov 13, 2014 10:15:13 GMT -5
BTW, Happy Birthday, Baron!!! zozo-mag LOL... Happy Birthday, Baron! May all your wishes come true! }D Thanks good buddy!!!! Btw guys,we should refrain of even speaking about the related issue of Beast King...til sorted out,ok gang?Got that from the top.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 13, 2014 10:57:37 GMT -5
True. I would even dare suggest that this thread is temporarily locked, just until everything works itself out. }D
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Post by kamenrider on Nov 13, 2014 11:11:54 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing sadly. Real shame things turned out like this....on a positive note let me add my birthday wishes to you too Baron! Heh, I think I'm the youngest guy on this board. ^^;
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Post by Kidchuckle on Nov 13, 2014 11:17:19 GMT -5
Bummers. Until Josh posted the preview on Instagram. This was totally under my radar (Shame on me for not visiting more). I went to try to look at Madtoys webpage a few days ago.. and Poof. Catching up the news here now.
Man it's a sad day. I love the design and updates on the fig.
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Post by magengar on Nov 13, 2014 11:50:34 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing sadly. Real shame things turned out like this....on a positive note let me add my birthday wishes to you too Baron! Heh, I think I'm the youngest guy on this board. ^^; I'd like to agree about locking this thread.... but still, I think it would be better if we support Mt by exercising our own self-control of Not mentioning this topic at all by name of all entities involved. This will help Mt maintain a low PRO For a wh ILE.
...Nah, never mind, Lock the thread. This will give them some space and time alone to sort things out without our distraction. As soon as things have settles they will return with further news. For now, we must respect their integrity. The admins had already advised us to lay low on this matter. But not everyone here at RJ is aware of how we must maintain this low pro discretion... I cast my vote: Go ahead and Lock. zozo-mag
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