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Post by tetsuryu on Mar 3, 2017 19:18:22 GMT -5
Rom Stoll looks solid, but Baikanfu itself...I think I prefer the way the SoC looks. It follows the animated style more closely.
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Post by nikodiablo on Mar 3, 2017 19:36:39 GMT -5
Well, I'm definitely getting this. The finish just looks so premium! Forgive my ignorance, what's the deal with the different shoulder pauldrons? The shoulder armor is interchangeable. You get two sets. I like the rounded one much better. Thanks. What's the purpose, though? A specific instance in the anime perhaps? I like the rounded ones better myself as they are more in line with the original design. I do hope the figure will be fully equipped with ratcheting joints. For those who has the Sentinel Mazinkaiser, how are the joints holding up on your figure?
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Post by faelon on Mar 3, 2017 20:24:01 GMT -5
[quote author=" faelon " source="/post/384171/thread" timestamp="1488571709" I looks like a nice robot. But dear god what was Sentinel thinking letting those prototype (I really really hope early prototype) Ram Stol pics hit the public. What did they paint the figure with? Rattle cans bought from Home Depot? (The cheap stuff!). It's one thing if it was an early demo shown off behind glass at a toy fair. But they used that figure for high res marketing photos that they distributed to merchants? Wow... Honestly, it doesn't have the fit and finish of a production sample, but it doesn't look nearly as bad as you wrote here. I first read this comment on a phone and then got on my computer to look more closely just to make sure. When I think slop job paints I think the samples that Hasbro would have at Botcon and whatnot. This is straight up one of the BEST hand-painted prototypes I've ever seen. [/quote] It's a nice neat job for internal presentation or using as a teaser at a public show. And showing off development stuff like that is great for generating interest and enthusiasm. But you don't take studio pics of it and let it get put next to the retailers "Spend Lot's O money" button. You never want anything that unpolished in their face when they are making their purchase decision. It's one of those marketing subtleties. That close up picture is particularly bad because even though the viewer (you) might not realize it, there is a little voice in the back of their head going "Polymar?"
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Mar 3, 2017 22:52:04 GMT -5
It's a nice neat job for internal presentation or using as a teaser at a public show. And showing off development stuff like that is great for generating interest and enthusiasm. But you don't take studio pics of it and let it get put next to the retailers "Spend Lot's O money" button. You never want anything that unpolished in their face when they are making their purchase decision. It's one of those marketing subtleties. That close up picture is particularly bad because even though the viewer (you) might not realize it, there is a little voice in the back of their head going "Polymar?" I understand what you're saying and agree with you wholeheartedly but fact is when it comes to the business side I'm sure there's a need to get preorders going within a certain time frame of release and if a finished sample isn't ready then they have to work with what they've got. As someone who literally takes solicitation photography for companies as an actual job, I understand both sides and can look at it objectively. New pics can always come later. And, I don't understand the Polymar reference.
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Post by faelon on Mar 3, 2017 23:40:27 GMT -5
It's a nice neat job for internal presentation or using as a teaser at a public show. And showing off development stuff like that is great for generating interest and enthusiasm. But you don't take studio pics of it and let it get put next to the retailers "Spend Lot's O money" button. You never want anything that unpolished in their face when they are making their purchase decision. It's one of those marketing subtleties. That close up picture is particularly bad because even though the viewer (you) might not realize it, there is a little voice in the back of their head going "Polymar?" I understand what you're saying and agree with you wholeheartedly but fact is when it comes to the business side I'm sure there's a need to get preorders going within a certain time frame of release and if a finished sample isn't ready then they have to work with what they've got. As someone who literally takes solicitation photography for companies as an actual job, I understand both sides and can look at it objectively. New pics can always come later. And, I don't understand the Polymar reference. Wasn't one of the issues with Polymar questionable paint or coloring? Reds didn't match and such? And actually your not quite right. This is the one case where new pics don't come later. Once you give them to the merchants for their retail offerings they will rarely if ever update them. Once out there in the retail realm that picture is your product offering. This is a case where for pre-order purposes they would have been better off going with the more blatant and obvious solid grey "clean" prototype pics rather than the hand painted. As someone who has been upper management for a number of Manufacturing to Retail businesses over almost the past 30 years, one lesson learned was "Never Give Third Party Merchants Pictures You Do Not Wish To Be Permanent". Those type pics are great when you control the images and can evolve and add more. They are perfect teaser pics for Social Media. They are a horrible mistake for a sales offering. But this really has nothing to do with the robot. Just my inner business consultant cringing at an obvious unforced error. Companies make them. Companies recover from them. I like the look of the Sentinel. I'm not sure I like it more than the SOC, I kind of prefer the slightly softer rounder shaping of that one. But my final choice will likely come down to price vs features and reviews. I don't know the character well and have no real attachment, so will probably only get one of them.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Mar 3, 2017 23:54:24 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying and agree with you wholeheartedly but fact is when it comes to the business side I'm sure there's a need to get preorders going within a certain time frame of release and if a finished sample isn't ready then they have to work with what they've got. As someone who literally takes solicitation photography for companies as an actual job, I understand both sides and can look at it objectively. New pics can always come later. And, I don't understand the Polymar reference. Wasn't one of the issues with Polymar questionable paint or coloring? Reds didn't match and such? I don't think so? The most prevalent thing was floppy joints (which mine is a victim of as well.) And in terms of retailers changing pictures, and work with multiple toy retailers and know that they change/update solicitation pictures all the time, but of course that varies by that retailer and how much their team is willing to dedicate to that upkeep. I definitely don't feel that the paint job on that thing denotes the "sky is falling. No one will buy it" vibe that your posts are implicating, buuuuuut to each their own and I'm going to go back to focusing on the product itself.
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Post by faelon on Mar 4, 2017 1:08:09 GMT -5
Wasn't one of the issues with Polymar questionable paint or coloring? Reds didn't match and such? I don't think so? The most prevalent thing was floppy joints (which mine is a victim of as well.) And in terms of retailers changing pictures, and work with multiple toy retailers and know that they change/update solicitation pictures all the time, but of course that varies by that retailer and how much their team is willing to dedicate to that upkeep. I definitely don't feel that the paint job on that thing denotes the "sky is falling. No one will buy it" vibe that your posts are implicating, buuuuuut to each their own and I'm going to go back to focusing on the product itself. It's a weird truism, people notice little things more than they notice big. They just don't always realize that they notice it. That Orange Peel paintjob is a perfect example. It doesn't look that bad (for what it is), but it is not representative of the quality the consumer is mentally expecting from the vendor. It creates a weird bit of consumer dissonance. Even if they know it is a rough prototype it still causes some negativity to see it as the product offering. It will cause some to unconsciously or unintentionally to question the value or quality of the product , which is not a good thing when you are pimping a $300 import robot (moreso when said picture is sitting next to the price and a "click here to buy" button). It won't be a "sky is falling" sort of thing, but it can cause an increase of less enthusiastic "I'll wait for it to be on sale" type behavior. But a rougher unpainted figure will not trigger the dissonance because the eye and mind is not running the same calculations of what it expects. It's clearly unfinished so the mind evaluates it as such on all levels. But here's where it gets a bit strange. Context is everything. That same rough hand painted picture if presented as a more "behind the scenes peek" will increase consumer interest. Those pictures that HLPro and 5Pro Studios put out showing their figures in development on a cluttered designers workbench? Yeah they are great for making consumers feel invested in the product and the producers. The rough or badly painted prototype shown off at a Con or Trade show, same thing. You are being given a peek behind the curtain. You have seen something special. Even if it is just posted on Facebook. Yeah humans are weird animals. In my experience merchants will be an extremely mixed bag for updating product info. Especially if selling into smaller retailer markets. Generally the larger or most enthusiastic will update if you ask. But oh so many of them have barely any idea how their online storefronts work or simply can't be bothered. They posted your product listing, they won't be bothered with it again until they have to ship out boxes. It gets infinitely worse if you are dealing across language barriers. And god forbid you are dealing with much larger mass merchants. Good luck ever getting Walmart or Toys R Us or similar to update info.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Mar 4, 2017 1:44:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Sentinel has shown any other Machine Robo characters?
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Post by faelon on Mar 4, 2017 2:05:40 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Sentinel has shown any other Machine Robo characters? I think most of the ones shown were the Action Toys line. And who was showing that pink winged robot? Was that Fewture?
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Mar 4, 2017 2:14:31 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Sentinel has shown any other Machine Robo characters? I think most of the ones shown were the Action Toys line. And who was showing that pink winged robot? Was that Fewture? Gotcha', and yes it was Fewture showing R-Jetta. I wonder if it'll be under their EM Gokin line due to the size like Blue Jet
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Post by nikodiablo on Mar 7, 2017 11:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by BIGFIRE on Mar 7, 2017 12:01:20 GMT -5
Thanks nikodiable!
I'm starting to become more and more interested in this character. I think I'll preorder and make my mind up later just to be on the safe side.
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Post by greengetterguy on Mar 7, 2017 13:06:27 GMT -5
Gosh, this guy looks fantastic!
Ooh its a tough call but Sentinel is winning me over SOC with this modern take on the design. It is A very very well done refreshing the design.
See? i told you im not "a new design hater!"
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Post by locidm on Mar 7, 2017 13:21:36 GMT -5
lol I'm warming up to this one as well. The fact that (if I read correctly) the creator of Machine Robo was part of the design team made it even sweeter.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Mar 7, 2017 14:25:27 GMT -5
Gosh, this guy looks fantastic! Ooh its a tough call but Sentinel is winning me over SOC with this modern take on the design. It is A very very well done refreshing the design. See? i told you im not "a new design hater!" This is a damned good interpretation of a design that was already fairly modernized. With Sentinel's quality and articulation standards, this is going to be a show-stopper.
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Post by tturbozx66 on Mar 7, 2017 19:02:44 GMT -5
Will wait for a proper review. If sentinel ever decides to incorporate ratchets into this then I may be in. Dancouga and hulkbuster could have really benefited from some ratchets. To date, only their Bellerophon has ratchets and that is a top notch figure, although I think sentinel may only be the distributor for it.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Mar 7, 2017 20:24:09 GMT -5
Will wait for a proper review. If sentinel ever decides to incorporate ratchets into this then I may be in. Dancouga and hulkbuster could have really benefited from some ratchets. To date, only their Bellerophon has ratchets and that is a top notch figure, although I think sentinel may only be the distributor for it. Actually no; Ratchets limit poseability (due to having only where the ratchet spaces let you go) and have tendencies to wear out or just plain break over time (too weak/too strong.) Ball joints provide optimum posability without the worry and frustration of the two aforementioned problems. Neither my Dancougas or Hulkbuster have poor joints and have amazing articulation. It's heaven. I honestly hope Sen-ti-nel never incorporates them. And Sentinel did in fact produce the Bellerophon.
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Post by grayson on Mar 7, 2017 20:49:58 GMT -5
This is a damned good interpretation of a design that was already fairly modernized. With Sentinel's quality and articulation standards, this is going to be a show-stopper. I agree TJ. Sentinel has been making some top notch stuff lately and their interpretation of Baikanfu is looking great and stands at almost 11" tall to boot.
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Post by grayson on Mar 7, 2017 20:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by greengetterguy on Mar 7, 2017 21:18:56 GMT -5
Damn grayson
You dont mess around!
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