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Post by mechasadbear on Aug 11, 2017 2:01:28 GMT -5
I was checking out the Riobot Mazinkaiser (with the added details and modified proportions), compared it to the SoC Mazinkaiser (with its "anime accuracy"), and it got me thinking. Which super robots are you ok with seeing customized, and which designs do you consider sacred and shouldn't be messed with? Bandai's DC SoC line has taken anime accuracy to new levels while Fewture's EX Gokin line takes customiziation to new heights. Personally, I collect both both of these lines, but I remember when I got the Ex Gokin Great Mazinger... I was impressed by its size and heft, but something about it left a bad taste in my mouth, like a line had been crossed. Maybe it was the toys materials, like all the soft rubbery parts, or maybe it was the redesign, (or MAYBE it's the price of these toys on the secondary market) but I was discouraged from hunting down Ex Gokin Mazinger Z. However, I love seeing Getter Robo get run through the creative blender. I think I feel the same for Mazinkaiser.
I've seen members complain about minute design issues so I'm really curious to see what the Robot Japan community thinks.
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Post by grayson on Aug 11, 2017 2:40:02 GMT -5
For me, anything Mazinger related is "sacrosanct". I do not include the "Ladies" of Mazinger in this though and rather like the many iterations Bandai has done with them. I love the Getter Robots done by Fewture even though I do not own any of their pieces. I think the Sentinel Getter's designed by T-Rex are some of the best representations of Getter ever produced. I love the radical redesign of Sentinel's Gaiking The Knight. The new Metal Build Mazinger Z, which is all segmented, looks awesome but it also looks like that in the anime previews too so I am cool with that.
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 11, 2017 2:40:05 GMT -5
Well for me it varies....its case by case
If its "clearly intentionally" redesigned i actually love it as long as it looks fantastic, (Sentinel Kaiser, Sentinel Re: Edit Iron Men, Fewture EX Gokin Getter G)
BUT, it was makers intention make it close enough to the source but missed that last 2 percent, either intentionally or due to the lack of artistry ...thats freaking annoying to me especially if its very anticipitated line, such as Soul of Chogokin. ( SOC Grendizer and....the SOC Kaiser). Because its almost perfect looks wise then they ruin everything for me by making it too short, give it a tiny little head or give it a odd choice of graphic detail......
As far as source accuracy, DC is gold standard now....
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 11, 2017 2:42:44 GMT -5
Ooh, yeah the MB Mazinger is especially delightfully collectable, because its so radically departured from the original design YET its so dead on with the source. AND its on Metal Build......a unique piece indeed.
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Post by Chen on Aug 11, 2017 6:21:25 GMT -5
Depends if you see robot design as a form of artwork like I do, if so then artwork can be interpreted in many ways by many artists who want to show their interpretation of the original. Fans need to keep in mind that all these variations on the same theme are NOT meant to take over the original but add to it's history.
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Post by S_Gokin on Aug 11, 2017 11:07:17 GMT -5
for me it depends on the robot, but mostly i like both of the 2 worlds
some new (modern) designs are epic, like fewture gokins without been busy, for me i think the best Geeter 1 is the repaint version by Fewture its just better than the original design in my opinion
but that doesn't mean the classic anime looks is awful
at the end get what you what regardless
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Post by mpchi on Aug 11, 2017 11:16:28 GMT -5
As long as it is good design and suits my taste, it appeals to me. Anime accurate or not is not that important. But if a toy is meant to be anime accurate, then it better do a good job achieving it. No set rules which robot needs to be accurate or not to be worthy of my collection however. Zetton (a Ultraman kaiju) below can be a good (if not a bit extreme) analogy of this topic, since it probably has much less emotional attachment than some of our favorite robots and the vinyl has no articulations involved, so just pure aesthetics and little emotions on the table: Original 'suit accurate' X-Plus Zetton: Kaiju Remix Series 'artistic take' Zetton: - Authentic suit accuracy and nostalgic appeal for people to choose the X-Plus that prefer a truer representation of the old school design. - Modern high-detail creature realism appeal for people that prefer a more 'badass' looking Kaiju Remix Series that looks more real. Both very comparable, but can have different audiences. And nothing wrong with liking one more than the other (personal preference), or loving both just as much.
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Post by xephon0930 on Aug 11, 2017 18:30:48 GMT -5
As long as it is good design and suits my taste, it appeals to me. Anime accurate or not is not that important. But if a toy is meant to be anime accurate, then it better do a good job achieving it. No set rules which robot needs to be accurate or not to be worthy of my collection however. Zetton (a Ultraman kaiju) below can be a good (if not a bit extreme) analogy of this topic, since it probably has much less emotional attachment than some of our favorite robots and the vinyl has no articulations involved, so just pure aesthetics and little emotions on the table: Original 'suit accurate' X-Plus Zetton: Kaiju Remix Series 'artistic take' Zetton: - Authentic suit accuracy and nostalgic appeal for people to choose the X-Plus that prefer a truer representation of the old school design. - Modern high-detail creature realism appeal for people that prefer a more 'badass' looking Kaiju Remix Series that looks more real. Both very comparable, but can have different audiences. And nothing wrong with liking one more than the other (personal preference), or loving both just as much. The bottom one looks like an entry for the S.I.C. line and it looks awesome. Though I do love the look and history of the old rubbersuits. Must have been a pain to maintain back in the day.
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Post by S_Gokin on Aug 11, 2017 18:47:28 GMT -5
ah i forgot to mention a point but thanks to mpchi post i remembered it when a figure have a good design even if you have zero information about the robot and its show you will go for it regardless it happened to me with Fewture Getter 1 (didn't knew anything about Getter back then)also it happened with Daltanious
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 11, 2017 19:00:54 GMT -5
Yeah most of the robots i know very little..
I just LOVE pretty much all Japanese super robot designs. incomparable. As long as they are cool looking, im in. If they modernized the awsome original, it better be AT LEAST as good looking as the original or im NOT buying.
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Post by locidm on Aug 11, 2017 19:45:53 GMT -5
When I began collecting I focused on the iconic robots and shows that I loved when I was a kid. Most things I bought were based on nostalgia. Over time when my want list dwindled, I'd look for the design that catches my eye, then familiarize myself with the source anime. Recently I don't have time to watch anime so I'm mostly buying the same designs over again or completing my Macross collection, while occasionally purchase something out of the blue if it catches my eye.
SOC does a pretty good job of capturing the designs that spelled nostalgia for me, and became sort of a guide post. While I do buy the occasional gokin outside the line, it helped me with focusing my collection.
To me, anime accuracy is important to the sense that it must capture the feel and nostalgia of the character, which SOC does a great job of (soul of chogokin really is about capturing the soul of the gokin). Minor detail differences do not offend me.
Regarding updated/modified designs, it all depends on whether it captures the feel of the character. To me, Sentinel Baikanfu captured the feel of Baikanfu very well, likely because one of the animation director helped with the design of the toy. On the other hand, the Sentinel Mazinkaiser, while it looks awesome, swayed a little too much in feel from the Maizinkaiser in my mind. Even though neither are anime accurate, one does the job for me and the other does not. It is all very subjective and personal.
I also have a few Fewture EX Gokins that I bought mostly because of the badass designs and great quality/paint job. I've stopped buying them after black Getter, and they haven't made it to my cabinet in years, mainly because they just don't go with the rest of my collection. Besides, display and storage space really becomes an issue after so many years of collecting.
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Post by tetsuryu on Aug 12, 2017 3:59:08 GMT -5
I don't really care if companies mess with the designs. It just means I won't buy them.
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Post by reVolVer on Aug 12, 2017 11:21:44 GMT -5
I was checking out the Riobot Mazinkaiser (with the added details and modified proportions), compared it to the SoC Mazinkaiser (with its "anime accuracy"), and it got me thinking. Which super robots are you ok with seeing customized, and which designs do you consider sacred and shouldn't be messed with? Bandai's DC SoC line has taken anime accuracy to new levels while Fewture's EX Gokin line takes customiziation to new heights. Personally, I collect both both of these lines, but I remember when I got the Ex Gokin Great Mazinger... I was impressed by its size and heft, but something about it left a bad taste in my mouth, like a line had been crossed. Maybe it was the toys materials, like all the soft rubbery parts, or maybe it was the redesign, (or MAYBE it's the price of these toys on the secondary market) but I was discouraged from hunting down Ex Gokin Mazinger Z. However, I love seeing Getter Robo get run through the creative blender. I think I feel the same for Mazinkaiser. I've seen members complain about minute design issues so I'm really curious to see what the Robot Japan community thinks. to me.. i prefer those that are faithful to the animation. the animation is what made me want to buy the chogokin in the first place... so why the heck am i gonna look for a different approach? lol
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