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Post by GetterBoi on Dec 27, 2018 20:52:21 GMT -5
You're totally right about IP theft. Right now, 3P TF is copying the T-Beast designs and the original artists are not getting a penny either.
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Post by crpdiablos on Dec 27, 2018 21:11:53 GMT -5
When things go south you must fund a way to make a positive from the negative situation. In this case the original designer is already ahead of the knockoff company and has the ability to turn this around by modifying his original drain into a transformative voltron and find a way to produce it. I bet if he could ge this going all of us interested in this version would hold off and maybe even help fund his transformable version. I would be one to do so. Maybe someone can talk to this man and maybe we can all help to end this sort of theft positively and shut down the guys that copied his design. I for one will never buy this figure unless it comes from the original designer . I have no problem buying knockoffs when a small company copied a larger companies product but this a big company screwing over a man and his vision I will not be a party to. That's where I stand on that issue and my shelf Will not have this item. The original designer wanted his design to be special ,not a mass marketed you.
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Post by faelon on Dec 27, 2018 22:33:28 GMT -5
Gentlemen, the reality is we now live in a world where anyone can copy anything. If these 3rd party companies have the guts to infringe on mayor IP like Transformers or Gundam, what makes you think you are safe? Going forward everyone should design with the mindset that such property will be K.O. down the line and you should take the step to release your product before anyone else can beat you to the punch. Is it OK? No, but that's how things work now. This guy was approached and begged to mass release his product but he refused to do so, therefore at some level I don't feel sorry for him, it's not like he lost money from it. On the other hand, it's his creation and I can see how upsetting that can be. Finally, he didn't own the Voltron license or had rights to produce the figure in the first place sooo… there's also that. Bottom line you can support the guy by not buying this AWESOME figure, which is what I plan to do after I buy the regular and metallic version, or you can send some money to the designer for his work. A lot of people complaint the company is not paying him royalties, but those who think he should be paid can always send money and show that they stand behind their moral values and principles. I for one will send him some money after I get the figures. I can't got to china and stand in front of the company with a sign that says no to IP infringement, but I can make sure this guy get's some cash. As for those who want to write letters and boycott stores, I think you are not going to get great results. Consider the royalties via paypal option instead He didn't need a License to Produce or even display his personal design figure. That's a normal hobbyist. He made a model for personal use and satisfaction. Not a commercial product. That doesn't violate anybodies copyrights. He shared his art with other fans, at which point this company decided to steal it. His decision to not turn his art into a commercial product does not make it fair game for someone else to do it. And I will warn everyone, do not support or encourage this sort of blatant theft! We are a large chunk of this industries core "Whales". The people who spend thousands on this sh*t. If we want to continue to get really good stuff, we need to stop rewarding the worst actors. Don't pay for this sh*t! And in case you haven't figured it out, this figure, should this outfit ever get it to market, will be an absolute Trash Fire. They are just stealing somebody elses design and straight up copying it to a different medium. There is no engineering in this. They really don't know how the designer put it all together. They stole his pictures and are trying to offer it as their product. They may have gotten his STL files (I have an articulated Voltron set of files from somewhere but I don't think it is this exact one). But even with those, they are designed for a lightweight largely hollow plastic figure. Not a Gokin. The engineering is minimal at best.
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Post by ninjahandz on Dec 27, 2018 22:50:09 GMT -5
Actually, it was not for his personal use. He did resin casts of the figure and sold a lot of them online. IT might be his personal design but it's still based on a license he had no right to use to make a profit. Check online and you will see all the kits he sold and the people who posted pictures of the finished piece. How do you think 3rd party companies got ahold of his design? they too bought his kit, scanned it and made it into a die cast figure. Again, I feel sorry for him, I will donate some cash to him but let this be a lesson so we are all more careful in the future. 3rd party companies will get ahold of your design and copy it unless you protect yourself. A good example is the Fewture gokin line. They assemble their figures in a way that you can't take them apart afterwards for scanning or replicating, believe me, I've tried.
Also, this is not the first time someone copies a resin kit. Hell! go to E2046.com and they have recasts of every imaginable resin kit out there produced by official companies! They have been selling them for years now!
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Post by k1r4yamato on Dec 28, 2018 3:33:37 GMT -5
Actually, it was not for his personal use. He did resin casts of the figure and sold a lot of them online. IT might be his personal design but it's still based on a license he had no right to use to make a profit. Check online and you will see all the kits he sold and the people who posted pictures of the finished piece. How do you think 3rd party companies got ahold of his design? they too bought his kit, scanned it and made it into a die cast figure. Again, I feel sorry for him, I will donate some cash to him but let this be a lesson so we are all more careful in the future. 3rd party companies will get ahold of your design and copy it unless you protect yourself. A good example is the Fewture gokin line. They assemble their figures in a way that you can't take them apart afterwards for scanning or replicating, believe me, I've tried. Also, this is not the first time someone copies a resin kit. Hell! go to E2046.com and they have recasts of every imaginable resin kit out there produced by official companies! They have been selling them for years now! Let me conclude this: Juny stole WEP property and made profit from resin cast, then, Titan Power stole Juny's design and mass produce it into diecast Voltron. LOL
Believe me,..... It's Complicated!!
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Post by supergetterv on Dec 28, 2018 12:06:35 GMT -5
Actually, it was not for his personal use. He did resin casts of the figure and sold a lot of them online. IT might be his personal design but it's still based on a license he had no right to use to make a profit. Check online and you will see all the kits he sold and the people who posted pictures of the finished piece. How do you think 3rd party companies got ahold of his design? they too bought his kit, scanned it and made it into a die cast figure. Again, I feel sorry for him, I will donate some cash to him but let this be a lesson so we are all more careful in the future. 3rd party companies will get ahold of your design and copy it unless you protect yourself. A good example is the Fewture gokin line. They assemble their figures in a way that you can't take them apart afterwards for scanning or replicating, believe me, I've tried. Also, this is not the first time someone copies a resin kit. Hell! go to E2046.com and they have recasts of every imaginable resin kit out there produced by official companies! They have been selling them for years now! Let me conclude this: Juny stole WEP property and made profit from resin cast, then, Titan Power stole Juny's design and mass produce it into diecast Voltron. LOL Believe me,..... It's Complicated!! Wrong. The original designer stole nothing. You can sit and home and draw Voltron all day. Anyone can do that. That’s not IP theft and will never be consider that because its fair use and private. In no way, and no one can force you to share your drawing. If you choose to keep it private. Here’s the thing, “ Juny” design and create this for his personal use. It was private until he, himself decided to share it. Like a drawing, if the artist doesn’t watermark it, anyone can download the picture, print it as poster or T-shirt and sell it. If the original artist decides to print poster or T-shirt’s and tries to sell them publicly for profits, then he’s committing IP theft. Now, Juny, the original designer of this Voltron, I believe his intent was to keep it as a private collectible and that people can approach him if they want to buy one from him privately. Just like if an artist selling prints, Private transactions. It’s meant to be a custom piece. Pretty sure he would of liked it if WEP approached him for his design for mass production. But that didn’t happen and bootlegger go a hold of his work. $135, 12 inch die cast figure. Seems too good to be true. Let see how it actually look in the end. If this titan power toy factory can reproduce the same level of quality and colors like the ones the original from the original artist, especially the chrome finish version, I’m down for a copy.
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 28, 2018 13:50:49 GMT -5
why this became like a talk show lol
you like it buy you dont pass
but before any one of us do anything we need more info like
where is the die cast is located ? how good is the articulation ? what kind of accessories we will get ?
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Post by xchr23dc on Dec 28, 2018 14:29:02 GMT -5
why this became like a talk show lol you like it buy you dont pass but before any one of us do anything we need more info like where is the die cast is located ? how good is the articulation ? what kind of accessories we will get ? Exactly my thoughts ....
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Post by Coletron on Dec 29, 2018 11:07:19 GMT -5
Sorry I'm late to the party, guys. But I actually looked into wholesaling these. Let me start by saying I'm not judging anyone who does/doesn't want to buy this. One of my favorite classic rock songs is "Under Pressure" by Queen and David Bowie. But that doesn't mean I won't do the running man to "Ice Ice Baby" if I'm hammered at a wedding.
That being said, the manufacturer's stipulations scream HIGH RISK:So:
- No return of defective goods?
- Currency must be wired to China? If I want protection under PayPal there's a HUGE surcharge?
- The company has NEVER produced anything and DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A WEBSITE?
Unless I get wasted enough to think $125 isn't too good to be true for an articulated, foot-tall diecast Voltron with light effects... I'm sitting this one out.
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Post by thayora on Dec 29, 2018 12:03:29 GMT -5
Let me conclude this: Juny stole WEP property and made profit from resin cast, then, Titan Power stole Juny's design and mass produce it into diecast Voltron. LOL Believe me,..... It's Complicated!! Wrong. The original designer stole nothing. You can sit and home and draw Voltron all day. Anyone can do that. That’s not IP theft and will never be consider that because its fair use and private. In no way, and no one can force you to share your drawing. If you choose to keep it private. Here’s the thing, “ Juny” design and create this for his personal use. It was private until he, himself decided to share it. Like a drawing, if the artist doesn’t watermark it, anyone can download the picture, print it as poster or T-shirt and sell it. If the original artist decides to print poster or T-shirt’s and tries to sell them publicly for profits, then he’s committing IP theft. Now, Juny, the original designer of this Voltron, I believe his intent was to keep it as a private collectible and that people can approach him if they want to buy one from him privately. Just like if an artist selling prints, Private transactions. It’s meant to be a custom piece. Pretty sure he would of liked it if WEP approached him for his design for mass production. But that didn’t happen and bootlegger go a hold of his work. $135, 12 inch die cast figure. Seems too good to be true. Let see how it actually look in the end. If this titan power toy factory can reproduce the same level of quality and colors like the ones the original from the original artist, especially the chrome finish version, I’m down for a copy. Juny's work would count as a garage kit right? A staple of wonder festival is artist's that are unaffiliated with the official companies making their own kits of based on their works. It's a grey area, but these companies allow these artists to sell their kits because they're in low numbers and they don't actually compete with their official product. Juny's Voltron would be the same. Like you said, he sold it to people willing to buy it but it was in such few numbers that it wouldn't pose a threat to WEP. The people above laughing at Juny "stealing" Voltron do is frankly inappropriate and insensitive since it shows little respect to artists that create works based on properties that they like.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Dec 29, 2018 15:58:57 GMT -5
We'll be putting together a group order in mecha maniacs
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Post by BaBiLoN on Dec 29, 2018 17:10:58 GMT -5
Unless I get wasted enough to think $125 isn't too good to be true for an articulated, foot-tall diecast Voltron with light effects... I'm sitting this one out.A foot long detailed articulated Voltron diecast for only 125$ !!! I couldn’t say it better mate, too good to be true. TH’x
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Dec 29, 2018 19:51:11 GMT -5
Guys... it's more or less an upscaled SRC-styled KO. The price isn't too crazy.
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 30, 2018 10:29:34 GMT -5
well well the figure is nice to have but its not a must specially after reading Coletron post why i feel they will ship me an apple and says that it lol no figure what so ever man even MT had their own site and FB page not to mention they offered after sales services pass until they fix their attitude
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Post by faelon on Dec 30, 2018 21:00:16 GMT -5
Sorry I'm late to the party, guys. But I actually looked into wholesaling these. Let me start by saying I'm not judging anyone who does/doesn't want to buy this. One of my favorite classic rock songs is "Under Pressure" by Queen and David Bowie. But that doesn't mean I won't do the running man to "Ice Ice Baby" if I'm hammered at a wedding.
That being said, the manufacturer's stipulations scream HIGH RISK:So:
- No return of defective goods?
- Currency must be wired to China? If I want protection under PayPal there's a HUGE surcharge?
- The company has NEVER produced anything and DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A WEBSITE?
Unless I get wasted enough to think $125 isn't too good to be true for an articulated, foot-tall diecast Voltron with light effects... I'm sitting this one out. The big tell there is they will not ship outside of China at their risk. They require you to have a forwarding agent. Thus you assume any and all customs and IP risks. Very clever. It they get seized by customs, even Chinese customs, it's your problem not theirs. Everything about this screams "you give them money, and they run away with it leaving you no recourse". Remember it's not simply they have never produced anything. They are selling the concept or product using somebody elses stolen designs and photos.
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Post by driph on Dec 31, 2018 2:13:00 GMT -5
I'm gonna wait on this and see what he's able to do.
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 31, 2018 7:02:52 GMT -5
if he is a smart person he can fight fire with fire, take all the feature they claimed to put in their product and put it into your own legit one
by this way he can troll them hard and win lol
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Post by smokinchogokin on Dec 31, 2018 7:31:06 GMT -5
Where can I place my preorder for the original Juny version? I’ll take two.
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Post by ninjahandz on Dec 31, 2018 10:25:47 GMT -5
PLOT TWIST!
BB7 never intended to copy and release a KO, they just wanted to trick Juny into mass releasing his design for all fans to have! XD
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Post by ninjahandz on Dec 31, 2018 10:30:32 GMT -5
DOUBLE PLOT TWIST!!!
Juny and BB7 are one and the same! He cooked this whole thing up to make collectors feel sorry for him and buy the figure in larger amounts to support him!!!
I need to stop watching conspiracy movies...
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