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Post by gunvalion on Aug 9, 2023 15:40:28 GMT -5
I just put on the 'exclusive' Poseidon/Cyclone parts. It is pretty cool. But they made the center hole of the 'spin effect' plastic sheet a bit too tight, so you'll get a bit of stress mark around the hole after putting it on the first time. But it is all covered up by the Poseidon head. If you don't want that to happen, maybe you can sand the hole a little to make it bigger, though too big may make it too 'spinny'. Maybe Sentinel would rather have it more snug (since you can't see the stress mark) than loose, in case the arms or the Poseidon head can scratch the print on it if it is loose and spinny. But I would have preferred Sentinel actually made solid sculpted clear plastic parts for these, to eliminate the issue, instead of printed thin plastic sheets. ...In Armageddon Shin G seems like it was more powerful than Shin Getter, at least in pure mass destruction capabilities. I guess part of the reason I like Shin Getter Dragon so much is because of its appearance in Armageddon, in an era where others getting their upgrades (Mazinkaiser & Shin Getter), nice to see Getter G got its turn. The top half of the robot look so cool and powerful, yet plopped into a weird looking dragon body and never have any legs (even though I knew about the origin and homage on where that design came from). Shin Liger and Shin Poseidon look even more weird LOL. This figure version, as well as its appearance in SRW games, kind of made up for that 'perfect form' I wish it had in Armageddon many years ago. Since 2016 the project canceled by Icarus toys (BU Toys) Maybe sentinel look for it (if yes will be big figure)
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Post by mpchi on Aug 9, 2023 15:43:19 GMT -5
Just took this during lunch break, showing the stress mark around the center hole I was talking about. If this bothers you, sand down the hole a little before putting them on the arms for the first time. But man, is this figure cool as hell! So dynamic to pose! GETTAAAAA CYCLOOOOOOOOOOOONNE!!!Since 2016 the project canceled by Icarus toys (BU Toys) Maybe sentinel look for it (if yes will be big figure) Nah, I am good with just this Riobot alone, I need them cool legs. Besides, releasing that Shin Dragon would be suicidal for Sentinel, due to the look,popularity, and the size of it (look at GX-100). HOWEVER....would POSE+ be up for that challenge since they are doing "ALL" the Armageddon Getters? That will be interesting to see if they do. Haha.
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Post by S_Gokin on Aug 9, 2023 18:45:03 GMT -5
But wasn't Shin Getter Dragon a stronger unit than Shin Getter 1 in Getter Robo Daikessen? Thought Shin Getter Dragon was a unit that came last (I could be wrong, I have not play the game myself so don't know their actual stats). While I don't follow you on Getter Dragon becoming Emperor has to do with Shin Getter Dragon being strong or not, maybe you can elaborate or educate me on this. Besides, the Getters have so many alternate universe in manga, games, shows, that they are not always in the same timeline/reality. So the wiki guy may not be completely wrong (if he solely based on the Daikessen game), also the answer can change depending on what source you based on. Like mpchi I don't quite understand why Shin Dragon form evolving into Emperor means that it's weaker. Though, Shin Dragon didn't make an appearance in the Manga. The original Getter G evolved straight to Emperor after a long hibernation, though in Daikessen they introduced a what if where G left its cocoon early and became Shin Dragon instead. In Armageddon Shin G seems like it was more powerful than Shin Getter, at least in pure mass destruction capabilities. And then the Arc introduced a potential evolution of Shin Getter after it traveled to space in the last episode.
okay looks like we are up for a ride
as always correct me if im wrong since im not a manga guy and im not up to date with Getter universe's in general
my main source of info is Shin Getter Robo Armageddon and Getter Robo Arc animes
as i know there is a different between Shin Getter Dragon and Shin Dragon, the one im talking about here Shin Getter Dragon
from what i know Shin Getter Dragon is more like the Black version of Getter 1, it cant transform so its stuck in one form, however it can use the other attacks from the other two forms, but even with that Shin Getter Dragon is not as powerful as Shin Getter 1,
in Getter Arc (SPOILERS) we saw that how Getter Dragon evolve to become Getter Emperor
from what i saw Shin Getter surpassed the earlier Getters in every way, and i think the Black Shin Getter that they introduced in Getter Arc anime was a modified unit much stronger and faster than the regular one, in matter of fact for me that version of Shin Getter made Arc looks like Boss Borot
as for Shin Dragon there is do doubt its very powerful but im not sure is it stronger than Shin Getter since i dont have any data to run a comparison
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Post by mpchi on Aug 9, 2023 20:08:58 GMT -5
okay looks like we are up for a ride
as always correct me if im wrong since im not a manga guy and im not up to date with Getter universe's in general my main source of info is Shin Getter Robo Armageddon and Getter Robo Arc animes as i know there is a different between Shin Getter Dragon and Shin Dragon, the one im talking about here Shin Getter Dragon from what i know Shin Getter Dragon is more like the Black version of Getter 1, it cant transform so its stuck in one form, however it can use the other attacks from the other two forms, but even with that Shin Getter Dragon is not as powerful as Shin Getter 1, in Getter Arc (SPOILERS) we saw that how Getter Dragon evolve to become Getter Emperor
from what i saw Shin Getter surpassed the earlier Getters in every way, and i think the Black Shin Getter that they introduced in Getter Arc anime was a modified unit much stronger and faster than the regular one, in matter of fact for me that version of Shin Getter made Arc looks like Boss Borot
as for Shin Dragon there is do doubt its very powerful but im not sure is it stronger than Shin Getter since i dont have any data to run a comparison
I'll indulge. WRONG! Haha , but only in the part where you assume Shin Getter Dragon is equivalent to the nature of Black Getter in Armageddon as a side variant, just because they both can't transform. Black Getter is a 'garage version of Getter 1, modified so Ryoma can pilot it easily all by himself, using junk Getter 1 parts to rebuild no less on moon. Shin Getter Dragon however, is evolved from Getter Dragon (Robo G), and probably can't transform any more due to it no longer being a standard Getter, but a sentient one. At least in the continuity of the Getter Robo Daikessen game, pretty sure Shin Getter Dragon is stronger than Shin Getter 1, as you get it as the last most powerful unit during end game (but I don't know the stats or details). Aside of that, it is very hard to debate which is stronger, since Shin Getter and Shin Getter Dragon rarely coexist. Even in SRW 30, where they do coexists, Shin Getter Dragon flat out replaces a damaged Shin Getter where Hayato & Benkei also seriously injured, therefore Shin Getter Dragon was modified with the transformation disabled, letting Ryoma able to pilot it himself alone, while his buddies recover in the hospital. Even after they returned to the battlefield Shin Getter Dragon only 'transforms partially', which is what we are seeing here in the Riobot figure. Since the Shin Getter unit has no stats in this game, there are no numbers for a direct comparison, unfortunately. And Shin Getter Dragon and Shin Dragon in Armageddon can be the same unit, or more like its spiritual representation that lives in the Daikessen world (they almost look identical in Dragon form, minus the bottom half). But due to each of the story taking its own spin, whether that those 2 are the same or not is really up to personal preference, without a definitive right or wrong answer. However, it does show that Shin Dragon is stronger than Shin Getter in Armageddon. Just the size, the destruction it delivers, the nature of the plot with Go/Kei and Shin Dragon being Dr.Saotome's ultimate plan for humanity kind of speaks for itself, while Shin Getter, as important as it is and being the title robot, is only a side support unit of Shin Dragon. On the same token, Shin Getter in manga (Getter Robo Go) behaves quite differently from the Shin Getter in Armageddon. In manga, it pretty much evolved and became sentient, and even merged and killed all the pilots in it. While we get no such plot or behavior in Armageddon. So with the same but reversed logic (saying Shin Getter Dragon is not Shin Dragon), can we then say that Shin Getter (manga) and Shin Getter (Armageddon) are completely different Getter robots, that just happened to have the same name? If we can acknowledge 2 different versions of Shin Getter being the same robot but does different things in manga/Armageddon, I think it is just as fair to see Shin Getter Dragon and Shin Dragon as the same robot, but does different things in Armageddon/games. When it comes to Arc, it is hard to draw any connection when you bring up Black Shin Getter. Black Shin Getter was not even in the manga of Arc, but a new addition they added in the anime. But where it lives in and how strong Black Shin Getter is, I think it is irrelevant to Shin Getter Dragon. That's all I got for now.
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Post by gunvalion on Aug 9, 2023 20:56:59 GMT -5
F**k !!! Just realize these part only limited edition exclusive buy at sentinel store I hate sentinel !!!! 😤🤬😡🤯 Yeah, I found out the hard way too, but not as hard as yours. Found out after I placed preorder and used a coupon I saved up with points. So after cancelling my preorder and bought the exclusive at D4Toys, losing my coupon, cancellation penalty, plus the shipping cost difference cost me almost an extra US$100... Wow you put a hard effort to get exclusive parts Bravo 👍🏻
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Post by mpchi on Aug 9, 2023 21:34:30 GMT -5
Wow you put a hard effort to get exclusive parts Bravo 👍🏻 Haha, nothing to be proud of really. Like Great Mazinkaiser, Shin Getter Dragon is another cool upgrades of the classic bots that rarely get any figure release, so it is a big deal for me personally. And for such important acquisition, I cannot live with getting a version without the full team, even if that is just 2 Poseidon heads and some spinny effects.
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Post by S_Gokin on Aug 10, 2023 0:18:13 GMT -5
I'll indulge. WRONG! Haha , but only in the part where you assume Shin Getter Dragon is equivalent to the nature of Black Getter in Armageddon as a side variant, just because they both can't transform. Black Getter is a 'garage version of Getter 1, modified so Ryoma can pilot it easily all by himself, using junk Getter 1 parts to rebuild no less on moon. Shin Getter Dragon however, is evolved from Getter Dragon (Robo G), and probably can't transform any more due to it no longer being a standard Getter, but a sentient one. At least in the continuity of the Getter Robo Daikessen game, pretty sure Shin Getter Dragon is stronger than Shin Getter 1, as you get it as the last most powerful unit during end game (but I don't know the stats or details). Aside of that, it is very hard to debate which is stronger, since Shin Getter and Shin Getter Dragon rarely coexist. Even in SRW 30, where they do coexists, Shin Getter Dragon flat out replaces a damaged Shin Getter where Hayato & Benkei also seriously injured, therefore Shin Getter Dragon was modified with the transformation disabled, letting Ryoma able to pilot it himself alone, while his buddies recover in the hospital. Even after they returned to the battlefield Shin Getter Dragon only 'transforms partially', which is what we are seeing here in the Riobot figure. Since the Shin Getter unit has no stats in this game, there are no numbers for a direct comparison, unfortunately. And Shin Getter Dragon and Shin Dragon in Armageddon can be the same unit, or more like its spiritual representation that lives in the Daikessen world (they almost look identical in Dragon form, minus the bottom half). But due to each of the story taking its own spin, whether that those 2 are the same or not is really up to personal preference, without a definitive right or wrong answer. However, it does show that Shin Dragon is stronger than Shin Getter in Armageddon. Just the size, the destruction it delivers, the nature of the plot with Go/Kei and Shin Dragon being Dr.Saotome's ultimate plan for humanity kind of speaks for itself, while Shin Getter, as important as it is and being the title robot, is only a side support unit of Shin Dragon. On the same token, Shin Getter in manga (Getter Robo Go) behaves quite differently from the Shin Getter in Armageddon. In manga, it pretty much evolved and became sentient, and even merged and killed all the pilots in it. While we get no such plot or behavior in Armageddon. So with the same but reversed logic (saying Shin Getter Dragon is not Shin Dragon), can we then say that Shin Getter (manga) and Shin Getter (Armageddon) are completely different Getter robots, that just happened to have the same name? If we can acknowledge 2 different versions of Shin Getter being the same robot but does different things in manga/Armageddon, I think it is just as fair to see Shin Getter Dragon and Shin Dragon as the same robot, but does different things in Armageddon/games. When it comes to Arc, it is hard to draw any connection when you bring up Black Shin Getter. Black Shin Getter was not even in the manga of Arc, but a new addition they added in the anime. But where it lives in and how strong Black Shin Getter is, I think it is irrelevant to Shin Getter Dragon. That's all I got for now.
thank you for the information
as i told you im not that deep with the Getter universe, i watched the classic shows Getter Robo, Getter Robo G, and Shin Getter Armageddon thats it didn't watch Getter Robo Go
and of course i watched Arc but didn't like it that much the robot design is just lazy
i will try to find more about the Daikessen since it sound interesting
as for Black Getter, man its crazy you saw how bad a$$ it was, i mean look
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Post by mpchi on Aug 10, 2023 0:31:57 GMT -5
thank you for the information as i told you im not that deep with the Getter universe, i watched the classic shows Getter Robo, Getter Robo G, and Shin Getter Armageddon thats it didn't watch Getter Robo Go
and of course i watched Arc but didn't like it that much the robot design is just lazy
i will try to find more about the Daikessen since it sound interesting as for Black Getter, man its crazy you saw how bad a$$ it was, i mean look
You seem to have forgotten I have a CCSToys Black Shin Getter. (Cooler than the Arc version IMHO) I know some Getter stuff, but definitely not all of it and have many holes in my Getter knowledge. And some of the manga, I have not read for many years, so some details I don't even remember. But I do love the Getters a lot back then, kind of like how you love the Mazingers, so there was a time in the late 90s and early 2000s that I collect more side manga of the Getters, during the booming of the Super Robot Wars franchise. And that was when the Shin Getter manga shorts came in, which later became its own collection of Shin Getter manga, but separated from its appearance in Getter Robo Go manga (Shin's very first appearance as far as I can tell, in the last third of the Go story), and also different from Armageddon. In other words, Getter universe is very weird. Shin Getter alone, has at least 3 different continuity on its own titled show/manga LOL, not counting other side stuff or games. If you want a 'quick' course of Getter, this is a pretty good and extensive video that should have good info filling some gaps between the shows you've watched, with some good manga related info.
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Post by Magmatron on Aug 10, 2023 1:22:37 GMT -5
I guess part of the reason I like Shin Getter Dragon so much is because of its appearance in Armageddon, in an era where others getting their upgrades (Mazinkaiser & Shin Getter), nice to see Getter G got its turn. The top half of the robot look so cool and powerful, yet plopped into a weird looking dragon body and never have any legs (even though I knew about the origin and homage on where that design came from). Shin Liger and Shin Poseidon look even more weird LOL. This figure version, as well as its appearance in SRW games, kind of made up for that 'perfect form' I wish it had in Armageddon many years ago. Being a Uzahra reference is way better than what Liger got, turning into a giant drill with a tiny head on top and tiny feet on the bottom. as i told you im not that deep with the Getter universe, i watched the classic shows Getter Robo, Getter Robo G, and Shin Getter Armageddon thats it didn't watch Getter Robo Go and of course i watched Arc but didn't like it that much the robot design is just lazy While I also didn't like Arc 1 much, I wouldn't at all call it lazy. Ken is an amazing artist and designer, and even if I don't like his stuff he obviously cared about what he created. And you should read the Getter mangas, they're amazing. It's interesting seeing how much his art and story telling developed and changed with time, since there were decade long gaps between some parts.
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Post by mpchi on Aug 10, 2023 2:23:30 GMT -5
Being a Uzahra reference is way better than what Liger got, turning into a giant drill with a tiny head on top and tiny feet on the bottom. I honestly could not believe my own eyes when I first saw these guys back in the late 90s. Almost like a 'breaking the 4th wall' moment, waiting for someone to jump out on screen saying "Hahah, gotcha! Just kidding. Now back to our program." Of course, that didn't happen.
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Post by S_Gokin on Aug 10, 2023 12:52:40 GMT -5
You seem to have forgotten I have a CCSToys Black Shin Getter. (Cooler than the Arc version IMHO) I know some Getter stuff, but definitely not all of it and have many holes in my Getter knowledge. And some of the manga, I have not read for many years, so some details I don't even remember. But I do love the Getters a lot back then, kind of like how you love the Mazingers, so there was a time in the late 90s and early 2000s that I collect more side manga of the Getters, during the booming of the Super Robot Wars franchise. And that was when the Shin Getter manga shorts came in, which later became its own collection of Shin Getter manga, but separated from its appearance in Getter Robo Go manga (Shin's very first appearance as far as I can tell, in the last third of the Go story), and also different from Armageddon. In other words, Getter universe is very weird. Shin Getter alone, has at least 3 different continuity on its own titled show/manga LOL, not counting other side stuff or games. If you want a 'quick' course of Getter, this is a pretty good and extensive video that should have good info filling some gaps between the shows you've watched, with some good manga related info.
not at all, i was just talking about Black Shin Getter in general
and thanks for the clip i will watch it later for sure
While I also didn't like Arc 1 much, I wouldn't at all call it lazy. Ken is an amazing artist and designer, and even if I don't like his stuff he obviously cared about what he created. And you should read the Getter mangas, they're amazing. It's interesting seeing how much his art and story telling developed and changed with time, since there were decade long gaps between some parts.
the face and the long finger nails also the attacks wasnt that good for me
i rarely read managa, im more of a visual guy
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Post by Magmatron on Aug 11, 2023 1:11:36 GMT -5
I honestly could not believe my own eyes when I first saw these guys back in the late 90s. Almost like a 'breaking the 4th wall' moment, waiting for someone to jump out on screen saying "Hahah, gotcha! Just kidding. Now back to our program." Of course, that didn't happen. Some real looney tunes designs, ha. the face and the long finger nails also the attacks wasnt that good for me i rarely read managa, im more of a visual guy Not liking the design is fine, but I take issue with calling it lazy. As for the final attack, the one you saw in the anime was new. It's actually a reference to the final battle in G Manga, as it's pretty much just Getter Dragon's ultimate attack. We never got to see Arc's ultimate attack as Ken Ishikawa envisioned it, since he passed away before getting to finish the Manga. And Mangas are a visual medium! And Ken's art is more breathtaking than any anime could do justice. If it wasn't obvious, I'm a huge fan of his work and really respect him as an artist.
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Post by bocasas on Aug 11, 2023 10:29:32 GMT -5
Ok. I'm saving all this posts as introduction to the getter universe. I know them from srw and Armageddon, all my other knowledge comes from wikies (each time a brand release a new getter I read to check how relevant it is), so all these posts would be very helpful. Thank you guys.
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Post by mpchi on Aug 11, 2023 11:43:54 GMT -5
Ok. I'm saving all this posts as introduction to the getter universe. I know them from srw and Armageddon, all my other knowledge comes from wikies (each time a brand release a new getter I read to check how relevant it is), so all these posts would be very helpful. Thank you guys. Watch that long video I posted. Very comprehensive on all you need to know about Getter, both manga and anime, even a little bit on games, in chronological order (minus the Arc anime, since the video was made before the anime release). And you'll catch all the homage and references they used in Armageddon, that you may not have known before. Out of all the manga, I personally think Getter Go and Shin Getter saga are the strongest. Ishikawa developed a dark ending in Getter Go, then went back a few years later to do the Shin Getter, as a backstory of what leads to the event and ending in Go. They are pretty much Ishikawa's version of Getter in its most mature state (and in drawing style as well), and a pretty definitive ending of the original Getter team. It also helped with Shin Getter being front and center, as well as the intro of Getter Emperor. Getter Robo Arc came years after those, as almost a separate thing, and has some weird stuff in it that no longer feels like a Getter story at times (space insects that pilot Buddist deity or ancient Chinese historical character looking robots, come on now...), and didn't get an ending because Ishikawa passed away before he could finished Arc. Armageddon is pretty much the top tier Getter anime. It is great in a lot of aspects, theme, art, animation (though some episodes took a huge budget hit), music, a lot of homage and easter eggs too. But ultimately, it wasn't in line with the darker Getter story Ishikawa was trying to tell, replacing the dark nature of Getter Ray in manga with a more heroic and appetizing tone. So it became a very popular anime among fans, but a side alternate universe type story nonetheless. I really like Ishikawa's Getter universe, even though I am not necessary a fan of his drawing style. It would be soooo awesome if we can marry the two, with Armageddon's animation style and production, but telling Ishikawa's manga Getter Go & Shin Getter saga in one single show, as the definitive modern Getter anime. That would be the (real)Shin Shin Getter Robo anime. A dream that will probably never happen. *Side note* - Just checked the Shin Getter manga, and the melt-down Getter Robo G is being called Shin Getter Dragon at one point, and it IS POWERFUL, doing things Shin Getter cannot do (though it barely had any definitive physical form). Shin Getter Dragon gets another win! LOL (childish, I know )
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Post by Magmatron on Aug 12, 2023 6:26:51 GMT -5
Armageddon is pretty much the top tier Getter anime. It is great in a lot of aspects, theme, art, animation (though some episodes took a huge budget hit), music, a lot of homage and easter eggs too. But ultimately, it wasn't in line with the darker Getter story Ishikawa was trying to tell, replacing the dark nature of Getter Ray in manga with a more heroic and appetizing tone. So it became a very popular anime among fans, but a side alternate universe type story nonetheless. While the story didn't follow the Manga, I feel New Getter was the one anime who followed the themes and tone of the Manga. Armageddon was cool, but it felt like a fanservice anime.
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Post by mpchi on Aug 12, 2023 19:22:32 GMT -5
While the story didn't follow the Manga, I feel New Getter was the one anime who followed the themes and tone of the Manga. Armageddon was cool, but it felt like a fanservice anime. I like New Getter at first, because it brought the rawness and brutality of the original manga, and I especially like Hayato being a genius psychopath that found his way to research Getter and have a change of heart due to how smart he was after seeing the bigger picture of things. But once the show ties to Japanese deities and mythologies later on, it lost me. I know Ken Ishikawa did a lot of side manga projects that deal with those subject matter (which is cool on their own), but turning Getter, a sci-fi robot story into a mix bag of Eastern mythologies and supernatural stuff just feels very out of place for me. Just like in Arc, I enjoy and appreciate some of the bigger themes the story is telling, but some of the pieces, visuals, and story elements used to string those theme together, I don't like. When a boss in Arc, of an unknown space alien (somehow are insects, how convenient) from galaxy far far away end up wearing an ancient Chinese gown and call himself Koumei (from Three Kingdoms), I cannot take it seriously. Imagine watching a Rambo movie, but end up Rambo is fighting a spiritual war shooting spiritual bullets to exorcise a ghost calling himself Alexander the Great. But due to our recent conversations here in this thread, I spent some time these past couple days and dug up a good series of videos that has a lot of good Getter info, while the guy doing episode by episode Getter Arc commentary. Too bad it is in Cantonese, and just too way much to translate for here. Guess I am learning some new stuff about Getter as well. And look what I've found, the very culprit panel that gave inspiration of the Shin Dragon design in Armageddon. Not only does it show the dragon body of Uzahra (which informed Getter fans would know the reference), but literally has a panel that has Getter Dragon popping out of it at mid torso. Hahahaha.
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Post by Magmatron on Aug 13, 2023 0:14:55 GMT -5
I like New Getter at first, because it brought the rawness and brutality of the original manga, and I especially like Hayato being a genius psychopath that found his way to research Getter and have a change of heart due to how smart he was after seeing the bigger picture of things. But once the show ties to Japanese deities and mythologies later on, it lost me. I know Ken Ishikawa did a lot of side manga projects that deal with those subject matter (which is cool on their own), but turning Getter, a sci-fi robot story into a mix bag of Eastern mythologies and supernatural stuff just feels very out of place for me. Just like in Arc, I enjoy and appreciate some of the bigger themes the story is telling, but some of the pieces, visuals, and story elements used to string those theme together, I don't like. When a boss in Arc, of an unknown space alien (somehow are insects, how convenient) from galaxy far far away end up wearing an ancient Chinese gown and call himself Koumei (from Three Kingdoms), I cannot take it seriously. Imagine watching a Rambo movie, but end up Rambo is fighting a spiritual war shooting spiritual bullets to exorcise a ghost calling himself Alexander the Great. I completely get you, however it still remains the closest in theme, and probably the best representation of his work we'll ever get.
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Post by BaBiLoN on Sept 19, 2023 14:51:12 GMT -5
Got Mine and It is great Was very letdown when I relaized that the Cyclone Parts were Exclusives Any Idea if they were gonna be sold sepreatly in the futrue TH'x
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Post by Magmatron on Sept 23, 2023 8:01:06 GMT -5
Got Mine and It is great Was very letdown when I relaized that the Cyclone Parts were Exclusives Any Idea if they were gonna be sold sepreatly in the futrue TH'x Unfortunately no, they're exclusively for those bought from D4.
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Post by tetsuran1 on Oct 26, 2023 15:54:43 GMT -5
Finally managed to score one. Now all that's left is to wait for it to get home
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