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Post by dx*chogokin*king on Mar 10, 2007 20:07:40 GMT -5
I just thinking why in the world they want to SOUL OF CHOGOKIN SPIDERMAN" LEOPARDO" LOL Just my 2 cents....no hard feeling
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Post by GDomino on Mar 11, 2007 4:55:22 GMT -5
Bandai officially apologizes for putting a gun to your heads to buy their crappy fillers, that aren't aethetically pleasing, or are not to your liking. Disclaimer: I'm not an official representative for Bandai nor do I claim that they are the greatest.[/i] ;D ;D
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Post by mazfan on Mar 11, 2007 9:05:25 GMT -5
GDomino. Thanks god for Bandai's apology because these toys are not cheap.
Kidding aside... When you purchase a toy for $80 and up and find out that they are "not aesthetically pleasing".... That is truly disappointing. And these are not the kind of item that you can return by the way. Most of the stores that carry SOC's do not have a return or exchange policy. Once you tamper with that tape, that robot is yours.
And so if I vent and feel a bit cheated, I feel like I have the right to vent. We got GX-30 and paid lots of money for it.... IT SUCKS and I do feel like I deserve an apology for it (or at least be able to return or exchange it)!!!!!!!
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Post by gort on Mar 11, 2007 12:33:58 GMT -5
From the Ideon thread:- Yeah, this one is not that great looking--but I am still getting it! Really? Are you sure? I mean even if it's "not aesthetically pleasing"? I guess we can all look forward to the 'Disappointed with GX-36' thread in a few months time. Joking aside, it's hard to have much sympathy when you're already thinking of getting another SOC you don't like the look of
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Post by dme3o on Mar 11, 2007 12:41:31 GMT -5
I definitely agree with sketcher.
Maz fan...do your homework before you buy. You're entitled to your opinion and here's mine. I think your opinion is silly.
I happen to think they look pretty darn good and they are aesthetically pleasing. If you don't like it, there were tons of promo pics for you to decide BEFORE you buy whether they are aesthetically pleasing or not. I mean the promo pics are not that far off from the actual product. Aesthetics do not have anything to do with weight which is the only factor between seeing an unreleased product in promo pics and holding one in your hand.
And to all, I don't consider these other SOC's a filler. If you want to know what filler is, then this is what I consider filler:
Threads like these are "filler" and prove no real merit as to providing nothing more than the obivous:
"TO EACH THEIR OWN."
There's so much of this crappy nonsense around here....as opposed to providing solid reviews and useful information about the toys, all we get is nothing but b*tching and moaning for no real reason other than their own personal preference.
Sheesh!
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Post by mazfan on Mar 11, 2007 13:01:20 GMT -5
I believe that the beauty of forums like this is that we are ALLOWED to express our honest views. I had a visceral experience while handling Battle Fever--I was truly disappointed. It would be great if I have actual people in front of me to vent my frustration. But unfortunately, most folks near and dear to me can not relate to my SOC obsession (I am sure that most of you can relate).
This board is the closest community that I have. I feel previledge to have you guys to bounce around my ideas and feelings. I have sung nothing but praises about SOC's from GX-01 to 29 (I also really love Voltes V and Gunbuster).
If my "negative" feedback is a form of a FILLER then maybe there should be a disclaimer on this board saying that "only positive feedback please."
Finally, I believe that most people appreciate reviews, both the positive and negative kinds--this is the most helpful type. And I am not the only one who has been complaining about SOC's lately. Maybe if more of us voice out our true opinions, less people would be complaining in the near future. Warning folks about the quality (or lack of) of SOC's is a good thing. It's honest and informative. And it may prevent people from wasting their money.
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Post by GDomino on Mar 11, 2007 13:43:22 GMT -5
At first you were just saying that it's not what you expected, and seems to me that it really has nothing to do with the toy being flawed. Quality and QC has nothing to do with your initial gripe. i.e. paint chips, poor design, parts breaking on you, etc... A lot of reviews I've read here are fairly impartial, as in people giving the positives and the negatives of a toy, i.e why they liked the toy, why they bought it, and what they didn't expect. With you it seems, if there is a design that you don't like or are not familiar with, your comments tend to come out as complaining, sounding off on why you didn't like the design and leading to why a particular robot was released over the ones you do like, "why not so and so"... So yep your comments seem like wine and cheese.... which does get redudant after one or two threads.
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Post by sketcher on Mar 11, 2007 13:51:08 GMT -5
I have an idea to allay the next 50 "I hate GX-??" threads. We should start a sticky complaint/SOC-issues thread where folks can go to check on others peoples negative thoughts about certain SOCs. This would filter out a lot of the complaint threads. I say this in all seriousness as the amount of threads in this vein have increased as Bandai starts to explore more of the classic Popy line. This will give those who wish to vent about a certain model, a place to do so, and those wishing to see others opinions, before they buy, a place to check that.
And finally, Mazfan, I was not only addressing you with my sentiments. I have seen a lot of bashing of other peoples interests in toys lately. I don't think it's right and while we all have our right to opinion, sometimes it's best if we don't say anything at all. There are many toys out there that I feel are "ugly", "hideous", "lame" etc, but I just don't comment because someone out there enjoys that toy very much and why should I present/force my opinion as bond. If I am in a discussion about a toy line and say "well those are not on my shelf because I don't find them aesthetically pleasing", that is discussion, but I f create a thread simply to complain about something, it seems as if I am just forcing my opinion on others. I hope you understand the meaning of what I am saying. No hard feelings, after all, these are just toys and we are all adults, for the most part.
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Post by thebigr on Mar 11, 2007 13:54:36 GMT -5
I have an idea to allay the next 50 "I hate GX-??" threads. We should start a sticky complaint/SOC-issues thread where folks can go to check on others peoples negative thoughts about certain SOCs. This would filter out a lot of the complaint threads. I say this in all seriousness as the amount of threads in this vein have increased as Bandai starts to explore more of the classic Popy line. This will give those who wish to vent about a certain model, a place to do so, and those wishing to see others opinions, before they buy, a place to check that. And finally, Mazfan, I was not only addressing you with my sentiments. I have seen a lot of bashing of other peoples interests in toys lately. I don't think it's right and while we all have our right to opinion, sometimes it's best if we don't say anything at all. There are many toys out there that I feel are "ugly", "hideous", "lame" etc, but I just don't comment because someone out there enjoys that toy very much and why should I present/force my opinion as bond. If I am in a discussion about a toy line and say "well those are not on my shelf because I don't find them aesthetically pleasing", that is discussion, but I f create a thread simply to complain about something, it seems as if I am just forcing my opinion on others. I hope you understand the meaning of what I am saying. No hard feelings, after all, these are just toys and we are all adults, for the most part. WORD! thank you.
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Post by dme3o on Mar 11, 2007 14:07:58 GMT -5
At first you were just saying that it's not what you expected, and seems to me that it really has nothing to do with the toy being flawed. Quality and QC has nothing to do with your initial gripe. i.e. paint chips, poor design, parts breaking on you, etc... A lot of reviews I've read here are fairly impartial, as in people giving the positives and the negatives of a toy, i.e why they liked the toy, why they bought it, and what they didn't expect. With you it seems, if there is a design that you don't like or are not familiar with, your comments tend to come out as complaining, sounding off on why you didn't like the design and leading to why a particular robot was released over the ones you do like, "why not so and so"... So yep your comments seem like wine and cheese.... which does get redudant after one or two threads. Thank you GDom. mazfan, pare, If you were reviewing the toy in an honest and truly objective manner, though it be mostly negative, it would still have merit. My complaint about your post is more of the fact that your post regarding "aesthetics" has nothing to do with the toy's functionality and look but rather your own personal gripes about how it should have been according to your beliefs. Which is fine if your complaints are backed up with solid reason. Again, NO ONE made you buy this toy other than yourself. And there are PLENTY of pics before the toy is released for you to consider "aesthetics". Here's an analogy that I am sure someone will twist around BUT: This is what I see this as: Say you are furniture shopping and you saw a couch on a catalog and then decided to buy it. Then it was delivered to your house. Then all of a sudden you decide that it is not "aesthetically pleasing" then what the hell are you doing buying that couch in the first place? Especially after seeing the way it looks in a catalog? Didn't you think it would go with the decor of the room? Regardless of the physical and mechanical reasons that the couch may not have seemed as it would have from looking at a picture, we are only talking about "aesthetics" here. Which is, quite clearly, well addressed in the catalog picture. Back to your GX-30 bashing. If there were certainly valid and legitimate reasons as to why you don't feel that it is worth your money then that post and opinion is useful to others. Having the reason of being "unsightlly" is more of a personal preference and not informative. PERIOD. Sketcher, I will propose your idea to the other mods.
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Post by supergetterv on Mar 11, 2007 13:46:45 GMT -5
I honestly thought that GX-30 battle fever was kinda kool. IT had lot of gimmicks and the weapons were awsome. Battle Fever was one of the very first in the Popy GB line. And most of the people that wanted this sentai bot wanted an updated version of the old Popy GB. It got the SOC treatment and a lot of people are happy with that. And people are still bashing Gold Lightan. I haven't seen the cartoon or did any research on Lightan, but I found that a gold transforming lighter to be cool. There are a lot of smokers out there and Zippo collecters that like the Lightan SOC. Not to mention that Lightan was also released as a Popy. I received my Lightan a couple of days back and couldn't be more happy with it. Come in a nice inner black box. SOC is an on going line, and it seems to, in some ways follow the old Popy line. Which is why I wouldn't consider any of the releases to be Fillers. I like to see what people will have to say when they start to make Some of the Robots from the Robocon series into SOC's.
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Post by fredeliza on Mar 11, 2007 20:30:45 GMT -5
Hi, IMHO it is all similar to the "apples vs oranges" analogy. The problem arise when people try to argue that one is better than the other and the comments end up being self-centered and insulting.
As other forum members voiced out, I can understand a collector's gripe if the item is flawed or quality control is terrible. But, if it is due to one's feelings that the item is "ugly", again, this is just a matter of opinion or taste and has no substance to be called as a proper review.
Mazfan, we are entitled to our own opinion but we have to be considerate and think if what we are saying is insulting to others. I am sure that if a collector comes here and says that Mainger Z is ugly and should not be made to a toy, it will cause a revolt and piss off alot of collectors.
As the saying goes:"the world does not revolve around a single person". I think this is applicable to this thread. Let us respect each collectors taste and pray hard that our personal choice (mine being daimos, jeeg and daltanias) comes sooner rather than later.
Peace and joy to robot collecting ;D
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Post by Chen on Mar 11, 2007 16:12:45 GMT -5
Like I've said a hundred times, if you don't like it don't buy it. If you feel you have to buy it just because it's a SOC then that's your problem, trust me nobody is gonna give you a medal for being "loyal" to Bandai least of all Bandai themselves. As for how GX-30 looks, well that's up to individual taste, I like the way BFJ looks and adds variety to the SOC line. As for importance, well, BFJ spawned the whole Power Rangers/Sentai series which is still going today with new shows, something that can't be said of about half the SOC's made.
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Post by mazfan on Mar 11, 2007 16:18:52 GMT -5
You know what? You can say express all of your negative views about Mazninger Z and Voltes V and they will not affect my opinion. Nothing any one can say would change my feelings about those two robots. I am that confident about them. It's like someone saying that Mercedz Benz's suck. Well, uhmmm.... Most folks who own them can simply brush that comment off because they are secured about their purchase. And so in a nutshell, if negative criticism affects your feelings about a certain toy then maybe there is something inherintly wrong or flawed with it.
I do understand it I have offended someone about my negative comments if they are tied into their childhood memory or something. That I could fully symphatize with. My comments about Battle Fever is simply on its look and feel and not about the show itself (I think that this is something we can separate). I have been acused of being closed minded because of not getting SOC's that I may not familiar with. I went ahead and got this because I wanted to explore, be broad minded. I was extremely disappointed, that is it.
I have not given an extensive review of an SOC. It's not my style nor am I that interested in reading someone else's long winded review (sometimes they help me but not all the time). I prefer the short and direct type, the whether you like it or not kind--short and sweet. And so this is the kind to feedback that I give.
Also, I am sure that almost all of you have returned or exchanged an item back to a store simply becuase you did not like the look of what you have purchased. We are all guilty of that. I wish that we could do the same for an SOC--this is all I am trying to express. If Bandai and the stores that sells them are truly confident of their products, they would allow their customers to do that. I know that some of you will say that if you open a product, you should not be able to return it but you know what I mean....
And as I mentioned, I only gave positive reviews of the robots prior to GX-30 and nothing else. I was not this negative before. Oh yeah, I gave glowing reviews (they were short) of Gunbuster and Walker Gallia. I love them and they are new SOC's. I am also going to get Ideon even though I am a little skeptical (just being open minded).
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Post by Chen on Mar 11, 2007 16:43:39 GMT -5
It's not about being negative about a toy, everyone here has bought a toy that dissappointed them. But it's why it dissapointed you that counts. Fine you don't like BFJ, but why don't you like BFJ? Was it the quality? The lack of accessories? The quality of the paint? Saying you don't like BFJ just on looks is so subjective and such a individual thing.
I have no problems reading negative reviews about a figure just as long as it is a technical problem or a design defect but based on looks, well, that's in the eye of the beholder. As for returning a figure back that's not up to Bandai. Bandai as a company is a manufacturer and a distributer not a retail store. Each store/seller make their own policy about returns in which Bandai has zero to do with that. Infact I think companies like Bandai and Yamato are quite good in that they will send out missing pieces for certain toys if you write them. But their not going to take back a toy and give you money back since they didn't sell it to you in the first place.
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Post by fredeliza on Mar 11, 2007 17:00:22 GMT -5
Everybody has their own taste. My comment is only to show that beauty and love for something is in the eye of the beholder.
Do you think that because you are only commenting on "looks and feel" of BFJ being ugly is a valid and is not insulting to other collectors who likes the toy?
Since you gave an example about brushing off views...how about if, lets say, that you are with your girlfriend and one guy says that ....dude...she is ugly!!!" " I would never want a girl like that." Would you still say that it is easy to brush off? Would you say that it is not insulting nor demeaning since we are talking only about "taste" and "opinion"? My point is, not everyone takes things on the same perspective as you do and you should consider that.
Being close minded is not about you liking all of the toys; it is about you not accepting/respecting other collector's preference. How can I say this? You are insistent that a toy's validity is based on your own "TASTE". Like you commented on mainly "cheesy looks" and your "feel" of the item.....dude you have to keep iin mind that: "the world does not revolve around you"
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Post by Chen on Mar 11, 2007 17:19:00 GMT -5
I'm going to lock this thread since I feel a real "sh*t storm" is about to come.
This is in no way a slap against Mazfan or anybody who posted but I think all valid points have been made and it's time to move on.
Chen
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