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Post by dooquie on Jun 6, 2008 18:25:39 GMT -5
Just received my Reideen today. Man I feel really disappointed. First of all Reideen is one of my favorites when it comes to old school robots. He was my very first robot when I was a kid. I got the Shogun Warriors version and I loved that toy. This Reideen version in my opinion should not be in the SOC line. The absence of die-cast is extremely disappointing. There is hardly any gokin in this chogokin. The blue plastic on the legs looks extremely cheap. The heft of Reideen makes him feel like a cheap kids toy. To me, if it is going to be in the Soul of Chogokin line, there should be a specified amount of metal in the toy. I am sad that I paid $150 for this toy. If I did not like the character so much I would most definitely be putting this on Ebay.
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Post by sketcher on Jun 10, 2008 0:56:16 GMT -5
...I would most definitely be putting this on Ebay. ...and taking a loss. While the toy is not full of die-cast content, you should re-assess why you collect. It's not all about how much zinc content there is. We've had this discussion many times, even in this thread. This toy is a perfect example of Bandai engineering and elegant design representation. No arguing necessary.
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Post by megatroptimus on Jun 10, 2008 9:40:09 GMT -5
The legs look cheap? The blue is so gorgeous it looks like metal.
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Post by mazingazeto on Jun 10, 2008 12:25:07 GMT -5
I am with dooquie. The only reason why I am keeping the Reideen is because I like the mecha. I can honestly say that I like my Miracle Action Reideen more that the SOC rendition. I could care less about engineering if the figure is going to turn out like a tiny little fragile model with "some" diecast in it. I rather swap parts any day. I am concerned on how the SOC Daimos is going to turn out, because of all that "engineering" Bandai is putting in it. I want something solid, that could bend and twist without loosing half it's parts along the way - an action figure... not a Faberge' Egg.
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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 10, 2008 12:36:57 GMT -5
Hmmm... maybe Bandai is taking a page from Yamato's book.
"It took a rocket scientist to make this piece plastic transform and look good... now reach into your tailpipe and pay up!" ;D
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Post by dooquie on Jun 10, 2008 12:57:18 GMT -5
Like I said if I did not like Reideen so much I would be putting it on Ebay, which means it is not going on Ebay. I do not collect toys as investments so if for some reason I did sell it taking a loss is no big deal. The blue paint is so elegant it looks like metal? Completely have to disagree. The blue on the legs looks like cheap plastic, just like it feels. I have never complained about any SOC, not one. Even when people here complain about Leopaldon or Walker Garrier, I love both of these. The paint and detail on both is great. The metal content to be considered "Soul of Iron" is there. Reideen is supposed to be in this same line of toys yet has an infinitesimal amount of die-cast. I do not need to reexamine why I collect toys. I know why I collect toys. I know why I collect the Soul of Chogokin line. I collect this line because they are supposed to be made out of Die-cast, not a bunch of cheap looking plastic. I think either people have forgotten what Chogokin means or do not know entirely what it means. It is not just that I need to have metal in my Reideen it is in the Chogokin line! This toy feels fragile in your hands, it is unlike any other SOC. Bandai Engineering and elegant design representation? I honestly would like to know what is so amazing about the engineering on this toy? The folding wing backpack? Daimos I think you can make the argument about engineering. He looks amazing. Reideen has a removable folding wing backpack. I will not argue about the overall look of the toy. He looks like Reideen. Height and proportions all look great. My gripe again has to do with the complete lack of die-cast. This is again a "Soul of Chogokin", if it were in any other Bandai line I would not make a fuss. It just does not belong in the SOC line with the complete lack of metal. This is my opinion please do not get bent out of sorts because I do not agree with everyone. I just cannot see how you can argue about the lack of die-cast. I am not looking for a brick of metal but anything on par with the rest of the SOC line. One last gripe. Compare the GX-41S set to GX-04S price and quality wise. Almost the same price (when GX-04S came out, not now) and the quality of Grendizer is top notch. Metal content through the roof. Metal not just on Grendizer but on each and every spazer. Sure Grendizer does not have a fold-up wing backpack and a big plastic mountain to stuff him in but he has much more. Again just my opinion and I do respect your as well Sketcher, just my two cents.
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Post by zman on Jun 10, 2008 13:32:46 GMT -5
I agree, gokin is yummy! :-)
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jun 10, 2008 21:11:43 GMT -5
gokin AND sturdiness is yummy...
}D
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Post by mazingagoo on Jun 10, 2008 21:13:15 GMT -5
chogokin without gokin is an oximoron
engineering my foot
the GA-09R seems to be the best.
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Post by Lanmandragoran on Jun 10, 2008 21:38:28 GMT -5
! 8-)i think that reideen is great. i love all the acesssories, the gimmicks and i honestly was not disappointed by the metal content. the only bandai chogokin that has ever let me down in metal content was the spec eva. I guess I see a half full glass instead of a half empty one. But gim gurren lagan rules the 2008 gokn scene ;D
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Post by cborn on Jun 10, 2008 21:48:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with Lanmandragoran, I thought Reideen was awesome. The Gokin content to me is cool, I mean there is metal there. I love this figure!! It is nice looking, I just got the regular version so the price was right. It gets two thumbs up!!!!
I also agree that GIM Gurren Lagann totally rules, and this is my favorite gokin of all time bar none!!!
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Post by xiombarg on Jun 10, 2008 22:22:57 GMT -5
I'm fine with Reideen, but I wouldn't mind more metal. But.. For a DX set, ultimately I'm not sure how much I care about the big plastic mountain and the golden guy. Like others have pointed out, those items are going to be storage fodder for me. So personally I would prefer a DX set with an upgraded Reideen and something like an accessory villain.
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Post by dooquie on Jun 10, 2008 22:30:59 GMT -5
Let there be no confusion Reideen is my favorite robot as I have a ton of sentimental attachment to this toy. It was my first die-cast robot in the 70s. The fact that you guys that love the SOC version for what it is and are willing to pay $150+ for it kills me. It is not a glass half full situation. I just do not get how you could be happy paying so much for something and realistically getting so little. Sure you get a lot of weapons and a mountain for the 41S but again compare this to GX-04S. I bought mine this year in Taiwan for NT4800 ($157US). Not only do you get a rock solid robot but you get a ton of weapons and four spazers. All of which have a decent amount of die-cast. The paint on my Grendizer is gorgeous. The flat paint on my Reideen's chest and legs leaves a lot to be desired. I am afraid to handle Reideen. He just feels fragile. I guess if you just stuff him on a shelf you could be happy, but I like to handle my toys, after all they are toys.
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Post by megatroptimus on Jun 11, 2008 0:20:48 GMT -5
I am with dooquie. The only reason why I am keeping the Reideen is because I like the mecha. I can honestly say that I like my Miracle Action Reideen more that the SOC rendition. I could care less about engineering if the figure is going to turn out like a tiny little fragile model with "some" diecast in it. I rather swap parts any day. I am concerned on how the SOC Daimos is going to turn out, because of all that "engineering" Bandai is putting in it. I want something solid, that could bend and twist without loosing half it's parts along the way - an action figure... not a Faberge' Egg. You're concerned about fragility yet you prefer the crappy Miracle version with the super cheap ass plastic?
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Post by megatroptimus on Jun 11, 2008 0:26:45 GMT -5
Let there be no confusion Reideen is my favorite robot as I have a ton of sentimental attachment to this toy. It was my first die-cast robot in the 70s. The fact that you guys that love the SOC version for what it is and are willing to pay $150+ for it kills me. It is not a glass half full situation. I just do not get how you could be happy paying so much for something and realistically getting so little. Sure you get a lot of weapons and a mountain for the 41S but again compare this to GX-04S. I bought mine this year in Taiwan for NT4800 ($157US). Not only do you get a rock solid robot but you get a ton of weapons and four spazers. All of which have a decent amount of die-cast. The paint on my Grendizer is gorgeous. The flat paint on my Reideen's chest and legs leaves a lot to be desired. I am afraid to handle Reideen. He just feels fragile. I guess if you just stuff him on a shelf you could be happy, but I like to handle my toys, after all they are toys. How much was GX-04S selling for originally? You can't compare Reideen with a toy that has been reissued several times (which is why it costs less and less). Grendizer might have more die-cast, but its poseability is sub-par and the spazers are mostly static attachments that don't do much. Reideen has a lot of moving parts for the size, plus a fair number of accessories.
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Post by Gold on Jun 11, 2008 7:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by megatroptimus on Jun 11, 2008 8:48:31 GMT -5
Wow, that's cool...
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jun 11, 2008 12:27:02 GMT -5
I am with dooquie. The only reason why I am keeping the Reideen is because I like the mecha. I can honestly say that I like my Miracle Action Reideen more that the SOC rendition. I could care less about engineering if the figure is going to turn out like a tiny little fragile model with "some" diecast in it. I rather swap parts any day. I am concerned on how the SOC Daimos is going to turn out, because of all that "engineering" Bandai is putting in it. I want something solid, that could bend and twist without loosing half it's parts along the way - an action figure... not a Faberge' Egg. You're concerned about fragility yet you prefer the crappy Miracle version with the super cheap ass plastic? You must have gotten the runt of the Miracle action Reideens. I have four of them, including the Gold one and have yet to have any sort of problems with any of them - AND I have moved cross country twice with them!!! But to answer your question, Yes. Let's see... a $15.00 100% plastic, awesome detailed, excellent sized, transformable, tons of accessories, and super poseable Reideen VERSUS a $150.00 90% plastic, awesome detailed, tiny, transformable, tons of accessories, fragile - with SUPER CHEAP ASS PLASTIC Reideen. Yeap... the SOC Reideen is probably not going to last long in my collection... Every time I hold it I grow more and more dissapointed with it, mostly because it is a SOC. I am seriously thinking that the moment I can break even it it GONE!!! }D
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Post by sketcher on Jun 11, 2008 12:35:16 GMT -5
Here we go. The word "Chogokin" does not in any way translate to a toy with diecast content. It was a made up word created in the original animes to denote the type of super-alloy that the robots were constructed from. The fact that the toys back then happened to be mostly, not always, constructed from diecast is/was a gimmick to sell toys. There are many examples from Popy's line of Chogokin toys that were constructed from plastic. So saying that the toy does not belong in the line holds zero ground. There is, after all, some diecast content in the toy, and the toy was produced in the Popy Chogokin line of toys back in the day. THAT is the reason that he belongs in the SOC lineup. At this point, we are getting to the "agree to disagree" stage. When I said that you should re-assess your collecting habit, I was referencing the large portion of the crowd that thinks these things are investments, and think that the more diecast content they have, the more the toy will be worth later on. This appears not to be the case for you. While I would have liked more diecast in this figure as well, I feel that Bandai did an excellent job rendering the character, while keeping the various modes fairly easy to pull off. All good debate among us toy geeks!
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Post by sketcher on Jun 11, 2008 12:37:43 GMT -5
That Hong Kong piece is nice.
Thanks for posting, Gold.
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