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Post by drakepasha72 on Mar 14, 2008 6:39:06 GMT -5
I have Goshogun, Gyakutenoh, Sankanoh from CMs and SOC Baikanfu. Along with Unifive Daikyozin, all these five are great work of arts but as toys I am beginning to have my doubt. Something is lacking but I can't really describe it. Maybe because the old toys has soul, as discussed in some of old threads, maybe because the vintage was meant to be toys for kids back then , maybe because the vintages was more crude than these figures or maybe because the vintages were what I used to have. I display these new figures just below my 'diaclone area' and their differences become apparent almost right away. The diaclones are strange, funky and awkward looking while these figures...well, they are just too perfect. They are toys for adult instead for kids I must say that if I find some more interesting vintages, these new figures has to make way for them
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Post by Elgladiador on Mar 14, 2008 14:11:55 GMT -5
mmmmmmmmmm...... cms nowadays its getting expensive..dammit!!
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Post by Kidchuckle on Mar 14, 2008 16:58:14 GMT -5
well I guess it contributes down to the fun and playability of the old. They were somewhat affordable (rather then the stuff we pay for now.. which are Collectors price for a toy and not the cost you would pay for a kids toy). The old stuff had fun gimmicks, sometimes even the gimmicks were more important then the over all look. some of the gimmicks didn't have some of the stuff they had in the show. these were the types you didn't mine playing in dirt.. bang them up against each other. But I think the price point and geared to authentic anime accuracey... makes it harder to enjoy toys.. if you feel like you have to be very careful how you handle it.
I think thats where some of the magic from the new stuff disapears.
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Post by megatroptimus on Mar 14, 2008 17:04:58 GMT -5
Superglue all the joints and you will get nice vintage bricks. SOC, CM's, etc. are high-end toys for adults. They can't replace vintage toys because they're so much better.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 14, 2008 18:54:31 GMT -5
Kidchuckle, I am willing to bet that if you handed over, let's say, a Mint SOC Dancouga to a 9 year old kid, he would most definitely be more than willing to play with it in the dirt and would not mind to bang it up either. Everything is in the eye of the beholder.
megatroptimus, I am not sure if you meant that the new SOC's, CM's, Aoshima's, etc are better than the vintage or if you meant it the other way around. Anyway, this is also in the eye of the beholder. I can tell you that I would trade up ANY of my vintage mechas for their newer - more anime accurate, modern counterparts any day! For example; if I had a vintage Popy or Godaikin GODMARS you can be absolutely sure that I would trade it for the new SOC GODMARS coming out this month - being all the same (both of them being diecast).
So, different strokes for different folks... we all have our priorities.
}D
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Post by MechaShiva on Mar 14, 2008 19:15:58 GMT -5
Well, as an adult you can never really capture the wild abandon you had as a kid with the SOCs & other newer stuff....unless you're willing to chip the hell out of the paint & break half the joints. Even the Revoltechs have their limits---you have to know which way the joints are rotated before you bend them or SNAP! So you have to "play" very carefully with these "toys".
Even if you could play with them like a kid you probably wouldn't because you just don't feel like it---you're an adult. So that's another reason they don't feel like toys in the classic sense. Actually that's a pretty big reason.
These "toys" are meant to be an homage or "internalization" of childhood....not a repeat of it. I think the closest thing an adult comes to childhood play is when they go wild in a videogame or some kind of drunken activity or whatever. Or random trolling on a messageboard. ;D
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Post by Kidchuckle on Mar 14, 2008 19:50:05 GMT -5
Kidchuckle, I am willing to bet that if you handed over, let's say, a Mint SOC Dancouga to a 9 year old kid, he would most definitely be more than willing to play with it in the dirt and would not mind to bang it up either. Everything is in the eye of the beholder. but thats the competition. I'm talking about the value of what it is to what you pay for. when you were young. A toy you got was a decent price for what it was at the time. The play value was there for the cost that was payed. A SOC is a collectors item. the value of it is way higher then you would buy a normal toy. It's no longer something you would let your kid play in the sandbox. Yes a toy is a toy to a kid. But if you put a price tag on something... its kind of harder to attach that playability in your mind. just like a vintage toy today. If you were a kid that vintage toy would be totally abused. If you bought a vintage toy and payed for it "market value" you're no longer going to play with it in the sand box. its really hard to compete with that playability from the past to present. if you associate value to something. Thats where the magic may disapear for some of the new SOC. Value or price is now in your mind as oppose to when you were a kid, you never attach a price on to a toy. Just the fun factor. And thats hard to compete with.
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Post by rayar on Mar 14, 2008 20:13:36 GMT -5
S.O.C. is a horrible and overpriced "Toy" and thats it. The only thing they're good for is to fiddle with occasionally and then left in a pose in a display case. You can marvel at the engineering, but these modern toys are just not for a youngster. Thats what power rangers and transformers are for. They are the superior "toys".
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Mar 14, 2008 22:43:12 GMT -5
Its funny, but I treat all of my "toys" in the same manner. For example, I have the $75 SOC Mazinger Z, and I also have the $13 Bandai Mecha Collection Mazinger Z model (action figure once it is put together). Well, I treat them the same way, regardless of the price difference. I don't "play" with them in a sandbox, but I do have my "kid days" from time to time. That's were most of the "action pictures" I post come from... }D
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Post by Lanmandragoran on Mar 15, 2008 0:57:20 GMT -5
I see this dillema under a very simple light.
1)Those of us that collect because they are reminiscent of days gone by that will never return prefer the vintage
2) Those of us that collect because they like the figures they tend to prefer the SOCs.
I tend to call myself a 70% 2 and a 30% 1, i.e. I prefer my modern chogokin but once in a while I find that vintage toy that is irresistible.
My bottom line is, both are valid reasons to collect, and your preferences are led by these motivations.
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Post by MechaShiva on Mar 15, 2008 1:41:57 GMT -5
Its funny, but I treat all of my "toys" in the same manner. For example, I have the $75 SOC Mazinger Z, and I also have the $13 Bandai Mecha Collection Mazinger Z model (action figure once it is put together). Well, I treat them the same way, regardless of the price difference. I don't "play" with them in a sandbox, but I do have my "kid days" from time to time. That's were most of the "action pictures" I post come from... }D I have kid days like that too. They're pretty fun. I guess that's the kind of playing I do.
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Post by Kidchuckle on Mar 15, 2008 12:19:50 GMT -5
Its funny, but I treat all of my "toys" in the same manner. For example, I have the $75 SOC Mazinger Z, and I also have the $13 Bandai Mecha Collection Mazinger Z model (action figure once it is put together). Well, I treat them the same way, regardless of the price difference. I don't "play" with them in a sandbox, but I do have my "kid days" from time to time. That's were most of the "action pictures" I post come from... }D I'm very envious of your freedom to do that! If I could afford it, I would buy 2 of each of my collection and really have a good time twiddling around with it alot on a daily basis. It's that part of me that I like to keep things looking new as possible. Comics, toys etc. Not that I don't take them out and mess around with it. But I feel I have to be fairly gently with it.
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Post by mannix143 on Mar 16, 2008 19:14:06 GMT -5
mmmmmmmmmm...... cms nowadays its getting expensive..dammit!! thats true bro....... anyone wants a CMS brave 01 GGG?
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Post by lurkerx on Mar 19, 2008 7:55:09 GMT -5
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A SOC is a collectors item. the value of it is way higher then you would buy a normal toy. It's no longer something you would let your kid play in the sandbox. Yes a toy is a toy to a kid. But if you put a price tag on something... its kind of harder to attach that playability in your mind.
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Mind you let's not forget exactly how much these vintage toys sold back when they were initially issued. A Godaikin set would have set you back about $100, the DX "GA" bandai chogokin would average around $35-$50
So, one might argue that we are paying just as much as we would have had the newer chogokins been released back when the vintage ones were.
An average chogokin equal to a godaikin's size would set us back around $250 [of today's dollars]
I think it is just inflation, and we are not paying more for toys now than we would have 20-30 years ago.
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Post by Dragonclaw on Mar 23, 2008 12:31:37 GMT -5
I agree. I remember saving for MONTHS for a GoDaiKin back in the day. Usually they were reserved for the special occasions like Christmas or my B-day that one would be my big gift that people chipped in on (man, where are those people to chip in NOW ) I LOVE my vintage pieces, nothing will ever compare to the nostalgia I feel looking at them and how I worked to get them. On the other hand I absolutely enjoy the newer technology and the more recent offerings. I am hoping that many of the figures I never got as a kid, and have yet to pick up will end up offered by Bandai, Yamato or CMS...It gives me that opportunity to own a piece I never had at a cost much less than tracking down the original like with Daitarn and Bryger. (C'mon Daikengo!)
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Post by Godaikin on Mar 25, 2008 17:00:49 GMT -5
Vintage and newer toys are both nice but each has its own style. in my own opinion, Vintage robots are much more attractive simply because of their originality.
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Post by mechaboy1 on Mar 27, 2008 1:51:08 GMT -5
I like both the old and the new. It depends on what floats my boat and what my budget is.
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Post by admin1 aka Ed on Mar 29, 2008 20:24:21 GMT -5
I've sold most every post 1990 robot I've owned if that tells you where I land Vintage rules for me
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Post by kamakirin on Apr 3, 2008 12:00:49 GMT -5
I've never really been able to get into the "vintage aesthetic". Especially when it comes to things like Jumbo Machinders (I know, i'm evil) the way they look just turns me off and i'd much rather have a 7" "anime accurate" PVC figure. I consider SoC to be the best toyline of all time despite only owning three of them. I've never really been a fan of owning multiple versions of a bot/character, so I try to make the one purchase I make of them really count, although i've been tempted to upgrade my Revoltech Ingrams with some Brave Gokin ones.
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Post by mazingazeto on Apr 3, 2008 12:48:48 GMT -5
kamakirin, www.HLJ.com has the Brave Gokin Ingram Ver 1 & 3 on sale right now for like $38 USD...
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