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Post by Shropshire Slasher on Mar 15, 2004 3:19:08 GMT -5
Interesting that these posters are going up in value/price as I predicted (I gambled upon this occuring a while back when I started buying up as many as I could find- I just figured they were so unusual that it had to happen AND people will always want to decorate their homes with artwork that appeals to them). This one is okay- it's a little dull compared to some of the others around. new.kobay.co.kr/cgi-bin/new/bin/view?la=3&code=06005935
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Post by QUESTION on Mar 17, 2004 5:18:02 GMT -5
Why do you keep posting stuff re Korean robots? No one is interested. Those are bootlegs, no different from China toys.
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Post by Shropshire Slasher on Mar 17, 2004 6:24:17 GMT -5
There is a big difference. First of all the days of Korean bootlegs are gone- all of them were produced in the 20th century. This was because of the WTO agreements being enforced from around 1995 onwards. That means their manufactured days are gone and they are collectable because of that very reason. Secondly whilst China always made knockoffs there wasnt the attention to names and characters like the Korean companies showed. For instance there were more boots of named TV cartoon characters from Korea than there were from China in the 1980's. That means a lot of classic names can only be found in illegal form from Korea- Yes you'll find some generic boots of Optimus Prime from China in the 1980's for example, but, you wont likely find a lot of the other characters from the various T.F. TV shows that ran in the 80'S. I dont know how many times people have asked me to buy Victory Lion from toysee.net for them because "only Olympus made that particular figure" it seems. I 've probably bought it 4 times for American buyers now! I could drag this on for a while but I'll try to condense all my remaining reasons into this last answer.... Korean robots and toys have been overlooked for years. There really wasnt a site nor has their been a book that has documented the Korean bootleg phenomenon for Westerners. That's sad because theres an incredible ammount of vibrancy and humour that is worth looking at. The whole rise of Taekwon V to become a cultural icon within Korea is not just about one toy/character having demographic supremacy over another; it's about a nation throwing off the shackles of Japanese colonialism and 20 years later making it's own mighty and powerful character whilst still being overshadowed by Japan in every way (sad but true). Korean toys are time capsules. They capture the developmental period in Korean history. I believe that one day they will be treasured by historians who'll put them under glass in the same cabinet with a bronze horse toy from the Shilla Dynasty (or whatever dynastic period) thousands of years earlier. You might laugh at that thought but remember, nobody a thousand years ago thought the bronze toy horse the kids were playing with then would become a window into the past for future historians. I rest my case. Thanks for the bait - I enjoyed that.
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Post by Rancemeister on Mar 17, 2004 9:50:08 GMT -5
......And where else in the world can you buy official Brave toys like the Dia Altas ($300ish MIB) repaint White Dragon (bad dude from Brave Express Mightgaine) for a mere $25 MIB (plus shipping)!
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Post by QUESTION on Mar 17, 2004 10:29:11 GMT -5
Collectables? I don't see people looking at Korean Bootlegs at all. Collectable for who? Just say that you want to sell those instead of telling they are collectables or have some value. Prices rising? When? Where? There is noone looking for that stuff.
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Post by Rancemeister on Mar 17, 2004 10:52:49 GMT -5
....angry man.....
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Post by QUESTION on Mar 17, 2004 11:13:37 GMT -5
I'm not angry at all. If those bootlegs are so in demand then post auctions on ebay and let's see how much they will fetch. As far as I know noone is looking for those.
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Post by Rancemeister on Mar 17, 2004 11:18:23 GMT -5
What do you care?
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Post by QUESTION on Mar 17, 2004 12:06:01 GMT -5
Ask yourself what people care of these absurd posts regarding knock offs of no value and posters of no interest.
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Post by Shropshire Slasher on Mar 17, 2004 14:54:47 GMT -5
Dude, Take a chill pill... if you go through these boards you'll find a post from before I was using this site with a an ebay auction for a Korean bootleged item. The auction shows the finished price at well over $500. I didnt even know about it. I believe its from late in 2002. Now, as for wanting to sell stuff- well, yes I do but, I'd rather the custommer was happy- for me this is more of a hobby than a business. When Frank purchased the Korean GodSigma bootleg for over $500 in 2003, I had nothing to do with it- he wanted the item and paid for it. Prices are dictated by buyers, not by Sasha. If you've read this and you're still outraged may I suggest just not reading my posts in future? Nobody is forcing you to read em
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Post by jwm on Mar 17, 2004 17:29:42 GMT -5
I'm not angry at all. If those bootlegs are so in demand then post auctions on ebay and let's see how much they will fetch. As far as I know noone is looking for those. If you would have run around toystores in 1979 buying up all the cheap looking 24" plastic Shogun Warriors, people would have said much the same. JWM
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Post by waruderos on Mar 17, 2004 17:40:09 GMT -5
I read the bootleg posts, it adds to the overall body of information here. You never know when you'll need the info for your collection, for identification, or just interest. I'm finding bootleg items a great addition to my collection, for fun, for comparisons, etc. As our collections reach different levels of completeness, or just need 'spicing up', the bootleg market (which itself is interesting and fast being chased out by trade agreements) is a great refresher for even the most pure collection.
Ward
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Post by rednecktex on Mar 17, 2004 20:09:41 GMT -5
C'mon JWM those oversized shampoo bottles are works of art! ;D Yes I do have a few! Question why are you being a troll? Why don't you register and contribute instead of being rude. Any true robot collector would appreciate Sasha's posts! Sasha puts much thought into his posts!
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Post by admin1 aka Ed on Mar 17, 2004 20:30:48 GMT -5
Collectables? I don't see people looking at Korean Bootlegs at all. Collectable for who? Just say that you want to sell those instead of telling they are collectables or have some value. Prices rising? When? Where? There is noone looking for that stuff. I know you are a Dutch collector , so be kind and register. We would appreciate you standing behind your opinion with your name. I welcome your opinion, but happen to disagree. Ed ***************** RIPE Network Coordination Centre OrgID: RIPE Address: Singel 258 Address: 1016 AB City: Amsterdam StateProv: PostalCode: Country: NL
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Post by Lodan on Mar 17, 2004 21:12:18 GMT -5
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Post by Shropshire Slasher on Mar 18, 2004 5:50:05 GMT -5
Cool link- I joined that group...hope it's an active club.
I visited the office of the ultimate Korean Collector on Sunday and all I could do was walk around cabinet after cabinet of boots and K'toys uttering the word "Amazing". The guy who has authored 2 books on the subject in Korea had SOOO much stuff that I'd never seen before and it was piled up to the roof...it was just incredible- he's coming to see my stuff soon but has been sent to Japan to `buy toys and get inspired' by his publisher as he writes saucy (manga inspired) Korean comics within Korea. He was quite a rogue and invited me to a `toy gambling' night which some of the collectors regularly attend apparently. I'll pass on the gambling but, I've asked him to go through his mounds/cabinets of toys to group together all the diecast robots so that I can take some pix and make a montage for Leebus.com.- I'll also post some pix here. I'm excited because he's got some really cool stuff and unseen stuff that he didnt put in either of his books on K' toys.
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Post by prozac on Mar 18, 2004 8:55:24 GMT -5
Why do you keep posting stuff re Korean robots? No one is interested. Those are bootlegs, no different from China toys. Why do you keep replying? no one is interested. You are a troll, no different from any other troll.
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Post by Jeff on Mar 21, 2004 12:11:53 GMT -5
I thought I'd add my thoughts on the subject.
First, to clarify, not all Korean robot toys are bootlegs. Both Sonokong and Young toys have been importing and manufacturing toys under licenses from companies like Bandai, Tomy, and Takara for over a decade now. The quality difference between the Japanese and Korean versions by these companies is usually indistinguishable.
In fact, one of the great things about Korea is that there it's pretty easy to find most Korean toys made in the last 10 years. There are two reasons: 1) Dead store stock seems to be abundant. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Sasha, but that's the impression I have gotten over the years.) 2) Sonokong and Tomy continue to re-manufacture their Brave and Eldoran toys every time a television station re-airs the corresponding TV series.
So, you have a situation in which vintage toys are everywhere. It is truly a dream for collectors of ~90's Japanese robot toylines.
Also, as Sasha noted, Korean bootleg toys can be very popular, especially among Transformers fans. There is a unique selection in Korea that you won't find anywhere else.
I enjoy Sasha's posts tremendously. Korean robot toys are an underappreciated facet of the Asian robot toy culture that deserve to be held in higher regard. Until you've had the joy of receiving a licensed Pegasus Saber for $30 shipped or felt the icey glare of a double-sized Bruticus bootleg, don't judge Korean robot toys as crap :-) Because quite frankly, they are awesome!
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Also, that "Dangerous_Toys" Yahoogroup is pretty cruddy and inactive these days. People there just don't have the interest in knockoff toys that they used to, I guess. I get a message from it every few months and it's usually something like "Does anyone know where I can get some Buffy bootlegs?" ~_~ Oh well...
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Post by Shropshire Slasher on Mar 21, 2004 12:38:20 GMT -5
Oh Yeah, A lot of K stuff isnt bootlegged at all- it's legitimate licensed product. Another area that interests me is the K made products for K made TV series that never make it out of Korea... theres a prolific animation industry here that has even been targetted as one of the 10 biggest industries in Korea (I'm not sure if thats growth potential or actual size now) by the K government. I've actually visited Sonokongs Headquarters in the past and talked with a manager there- he was a businessman though and not a fan of anything other than money. He talked about the Bandai and Takara tie ups. Yeah, there is a lot of stock sitting on shelves... the problem is that the cities are drying up for really good 1970's+1980's finds now... you've gotta go exploring out in the little towns it seems.
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Post by MightGaine on Mar 22, 2004 0:49:39 GMT -5
Wow, that's pretty neat that you met a Sonokong exec. I'd love to be able to ask Sonokong why they turned the "BP" on Brave Police toys into a Korean ying yang symbol... That's such a weird change! By the way, Sasha, this is Jeff, the same guy you were talking about in another thread who asked you about selling toys and also the same guy who replied above as "Jeff"
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