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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 9, 2013 12:49:29 GMT -5
he just arrived at my door in a big ol cardboard box that says "Grendizer- Metaltech Gin Gin".. ok I gotta open him up,, bbl
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 9, 2013 12:39:19 GMT -5
yes, and the source material is totally inconsistent. Look at the canards on the Spazer, when the Spazer is going away from you, they are bent backwards, when its coming towards you they are pointed forward. Same with the Enemy Mini-disks, sometimes they are triangles, when they are going away from the viewer, they bend back to the viewer, when they come towards you they are bent forward. The general rule with Toei animation is that fins and a lot of time horns and spikes are always pointed in the direction of the "camera"..you got to freeze frame to pick up on it but nothing looks the same as the scenes progress. The pattern on the center of Gin Gin in UFO mode was drawn in (from my count) at least FIVE different patterns. Just depending on what animation team was doing the drawing on that particular group of cartoon cells. HLpro was forced to consult with Dynamic planning's Nagai drawings for a clear image of what Gin Gin looked like, because if you freeze the fames of Gin Gin in episode 7 and look at each frame, most of the time Gin Gin was drawn real crappy. Three different teams were drawing like crazy to pump this anime out as fast as possible. The best drawings were done by the Japan team, the Korea and Taiwan teams just scribbled it out as fast as possible. Priority was not placed on the enemy robots, you can see that they were clearly drawn by guys who where not really giving a crap.. all the good work was done on Duke Fleed and Grendizer ...and the supporting cast. The behind the scenes production of UFO Grendizer was a nightmare, totally chaotic. Today they are classics, and in the West they are now seen as some kind of "high art" but back in Japan in those days they were basically low-budget productions that the Japanese parents wanted removed from television. Most Japanese parents didn't want their kids watching this kind of stuff..
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 9, 2013 9:22:34 GMT -5
I cant say any more to you dude, Im a grown man and Im not going argue about toy Robots..
From the photos Ive seen so far, looks like HLpro did a good job of making a Gin Gin that has a classic look to it. I will know more when mine comes in.. It should be in today. Ill give a fair review, all my reviews are fair.. even in my motorcycle reviews I mention that there are two sides to every coin. Every weakness is also a strength and every strength comes at a price.
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 22:46:11 GMT -5
we will see him better tomorrow when I get mine Ill do a full video review on him..
I just don't like the double standard, the Grendy SRC is done is a way that Grendizer was never drawn.. but if HLpro puts squinty eyes on Gin Gin "its not correct".. knock it off, man.. that's Asperger's right there. heh
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 22:14:20 GMT -5
They should have at least followed their box art From this angle the center horn looks like someone put ice cream cone on his head. I think it would look better if the center horn was positioned more forward towards forehead a little bit. Yes gin gin is a nice figure but just pointing out what looks odd to me. his chin is up, put his chin down and it would do as you say.. photos are not enough.. you have to get the figure in your hands first
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 22:12:34 GMT -5
right well, I think those thighs are too big.. I don't believe in "Shin Grendizer" but any company can do whatever they want with a character once they buy the rights to it.. there is no real "correct" way to do any of this, its ART.. that's why if HLpro wants to put a "sinister" facial expression on Gin Gin, its still a "correct" Gin Gin and in the sprit of the original character.. Because Gin Gin was drawn with different facial expression on him.. we have the screen shots to prove it too. Some guys want a character to look the way they think they see it or want it to be.. I understand that. But everything Hlpro did with that figure can be back up with Go Nagai drawings.. and they have those drawings to prove it too!
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 21:43:48 GMT -5
Let me ask you this Ross, what about that SRC Grendizer? What do you think of that one?
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 21:40:09 GMT -5
Gin Gin was not a mechanical drawing. He looked different every time they showed him. The eyes the Horns all of that was different each time bc it was all hand drawn in the 70s and they were trying to express motion and emotion. His eyes were small, his eyes were big and the horns were just all over the place.. it was just a cartoon and it was being drawn by different guys in different countries real quickly.. they didn't put that much thought into it at the time. Toei pretty much used artistic license when they were drawing it at the time.. using Dynamic Plannings drawings as a guide..
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 21:25:34 GMT -5
only difference is the shadows.. your eyes are playing tricks on you. Looks good either way.. youre trippin
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 21:13:29 GMT -5
Hlpro explains that in 70s anime, whenever a figure has some kind of "curve" like a horn or something, it almost always curves toward the viewer and sometimes it would go to one side or the other to give a sense of motion and what not , its weird but you have to study the stuff frame by frame to see how they did things .. and the drawings to make the series were being drawn in Japan, Korea and Taiwan by big teams of guys so inconsistency sometimes happened. But based on original Go Nagai drawings and intense study of the character, the horn is supposed to be FORWARD. This was verified by Dynamic Planning.. they had the same question and checked it out before hand.. it goes FORWARD (or was supposed to )
He also said "Dynamic Planning said it goes forward, Toei sometimes showed it going backward".. either way they didn't care much.. this was a long time before Japanese 70s Robot collectors. ha ha
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 20:56:56 GMT -5
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 20:53:44 GMT -5
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 20:52:09 GMT -5
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 20:40:50 GMT -5
HLPro said it goes forward on the Original character sheet by Go Nagai so that's what they used. and in the anime it goes either way.. they also said you can freeze the frames and see any shape eye you want, big or small round or whatever...and the saw blades on the shields point up or down just whatever. They are saying that based on original drawings they have by Dynamic Planning, Go Nagai usually had the horn going forward in his original drawings so that's what they used.
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 17:40:41 GMT -5
dude, go watch that episode again. Gin Gin was drawn all across the board, he never quite looks the same in each shot.. you can sculpt him that way with just about any feature you want. The horn is forward AND backwards.. the eyes are all different shapes and sizes every time they show him..
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 16:50:35 GMT -5
If you go and look at episode 7, they draw Gin Gin crazy all the time.. the center of his shields are drawn in two different ways at least..
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 16:38:20 GMT -5
Getter shadow- I must have been mistaken. As I was reading along the pages I thought you were in association with the company HLPRO. Sorry for the error. But you should reconsider on the SRC shin getter 1 GetterShadow. it's an impressive figure. Maybe u have inside info on an HLPRO shin getter? Please let us know. In this case I will be alright with any anime accuracy problems because I am just glad somebody would bother to make enemy robots. The giru giru might be a future purchase for me. Looks so cool - giant turtle robot. "In association"?...YES! "Working for?"..NO I am not a fan of Shin Getter.. I think its an ugly Getter... I grew up with Getter Dragon .. that's a good looking Getter! HLpro does not have any Getters at this moment, but they have been discussed.
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 16:20:38 GMT -5
Guys I know how excited we are about this item but I have one big problem with it that have been bugging me since I saw the prototype pictures! It is a anime accuracy problem! In the head of gin gin! The middle horn in his head is bending forward while in the show it is bending to the back Check it guys in the gin gin epìsode which in it eps 07 ! Its BOTH forward and backwards at random times, they also forget to put the Imperial Crests on it when its a flying saucer at random times throughout the whole program.,, when there is a close up on gin gins face, the horn is back, but when hes fighting at certain times its forward.. Grendizer wasn't drawn that well a lot of the times
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 15:13:29 GMT -5
no I started to collect it when I got back into the collection game and I met Paul of PBM at my friends comic shop then later on got to know the guys behind HLpro and became friends with the main one over there. I don't work for any of them but I do help get the word out for them on the products they make. So, no money on the line for me, I got my own business.
I would have picked up that SRC Getter if it had been Getter G or Getter 1... I just don't like Shin Getter that much. I got the SRC Mazinger and Great Mazinger though.. I just need to get Shin Mazinger. I am also considering getting the Mazinger Z jumbo colored one.
If the price is too high on that Gin Gin, you should look into the HLpro Jumbos and the 12in action figures.. they give a lot of bang for the buck.
The Metaltech series just doesn't come to the US in online sales in large enough numbers to allow them to lower the prices. The only way to get a better deal on one is to buy one retail in another country somewhere like the Middle east or Europe where the stores pre-order a ton of them.. see they sell real quick over there and they are willing to pre-order relatively large numbers of them. Gin Gin is gonna be fairly expensive because they don't plan to make that many of them and when HLpro says "no more" that's it NO MORE! The dealers are quite aware that these are niche items.. they are not going to let them just walk out the door, the dealers would rather sit on them for 10 years then to let them go cheap. Its like that in the entire collectable business because the know that they will all eventually sell anyway. For the dealers its like money in a savings account, half the time the value actually goes up as it gets more rare. Sometimes when something super rare and expensive appears out of nowhere its because some dealer some where was sitting on a few cases of something letting them get more valuable. Almost all the dealers that I know are also collectors and fanboys of one thing or another, they know the game...
oh I forgot to mention another way to get a better deal on HLpro stuff.. MAKE A LARGER ORDER. ..PBM is always willing to cut a deal, say you offer to buy 3 or 4 items all at once, ask about a discount and see what he offers you. You would end up saving all that shipping and he usually will offer a pretty good discount.
Have you seen my video reviews on all this stuff??
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Post by Gettershadow on Oct 8, 2013 9:12:39 GMT -5
Shadow thanks for clarifying. Wish it came with more accessories for that steep price. Then again I am a sucker when it comes to bad guy bots. Metaltechs aren't cheap.. what are you collecting right now SRC's, ?
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