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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Mar 13, 2016 22:41:34 GMT -5
****Online bidding is available now, and bids are starting to come in already. If anyone has questions please let us know.**** Hi Ginrai, I am from Taiwan, and I am very interested in several items from the auction. I tried to sign up an "Auctionzip" account, but it doesn't list Taiwan in the "Country" section. I am just wondering if it is possible for you guys to arrange the internatinal shipping to Taiwan? Could you please help me on this issue? Thanks. Best regard,
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Sept 1, 2015 4:17:56 GMT -5
No, actually this bootleg is ST sized. They took the ST Popy and retooled it so that it actually splits apart. That's why it's so cool and sought after. It's rare that a bootleg improves in some way on the original, especially in that time period. I have the mid-size bootleg also, I'll post pics of them together. Please post the pics of DX bootleg too, I really want to take a look, thanks.
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 24, 2015 19:57:14 GMT -5
I will check the link to the video as well Hey,
Thanks for the reply.
I feel sorry about your condition, wish you get better soon.
I will write you an emai regarding to the Jaguarbot.
By the way, your collection is awesome!
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 12, 2015 2:46:22 GMT -5
Okay I found the forum with the video. Buzz, if you go to "toy vault gallery" from our forum home page, then down near the bottom on forum page one is the forum "My boxed vintage collection" from crpd. Click on that and watch his video. He just about owns every variant of Lionbot, Golion, and Voltron III. He is the guy to really ask questions on these if you need more info. Thanks a lot, xtrlowz75! I will contact Kit11670 on ebay, hope they still have some KOs left.
I cannot watch the youtube video, as it shows "this video is private", but still, I really appreciate your help
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 11, 2015 2:05:30 GMT -5
To xtrlowz75,
To be honest, even I am from Taiwan, I've never seen that rainbow-text version before, not until I found this forum a few weeks back.
I always want to get a Taiwanese KO DX set, not only due to the financial issue, but most importantly, to commemorate my childhood memory and the local hisotry. However, a vintage Taiwanese KO isn't commenly seen, and sometimes the price is over my budget when it shows up. Moreover, I heard that some people mix the old and new ones (accidently or on purpose) to sell them as one set, so I haven't pull the trigger yet.
For now, I think that I have learn enough to distinguish the "vintage" KOs and the newly-made bootlegs (excpet the red lions), thanks to all the on-line information, including this forum here!
My next task is figure out the partten of the embossed words, and the followings are what I found on the internet:
1. The very first edition of the Taiwanese KO was actually authorized by Japan, as the quality and painting were very very good, and the back of black lion shows "Bandai 1981 Taiwan", while no words on the rest lions.
2. For the 2nd edition, the quality and painting were a bit worse, and shows "1981 Taiwan" under jaw for red, green, blue, and yellow lions.
3. After that, all the black lions have "MADE IN TAIWAN." on the back, except the ones from "Lions 5 in 1" versoin, which the words are "MADE IN TAIWAN ROC." instead.
Well, it's porbably not imporant at all, just my personal interests, haha.
To Mr. Ginrai,
No problem, I like to dig out things from this forum, so much to learn!
There are too many variants to analyse, but it's the fun part, just like what you said.
Right, I am only looking at the Taiwanese KOs. I heard about the Korean plastic version, but I am still curious whether the Taiwanese manufacturers made a similar plastic version. I should have placed a bid on that black lion from eBay...
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 10, 2015 22:47:04 GMT -5
I just wanted to jump in to help too. So the original first Voltron/Golion is the Japanese black box Popy Golion. this box has all Japanese wording but the box looks similar to the Lionbot box. Next comes the Lionbot. the first oldest versions have the typical Lionbot box, but the box has a huge Lionbot title on one side, and not across the legs but next to them in rainbow colors is the "Lets go lion!" text. DUring this period/early 80s, you also see the box variant of the Lionbot Golion and Jaguar boxes. later as in the late 80s into today, you see the typical Taiwan Lionbot box. Before we see the Voltron III also lion Voltron, came the Godaikin Golion. Once matchbox acquired Voltrons's rights the Golion was discontinued for Voltron III. Then there is the Korean Kangnam or King Lion. Last is the Trendmasters Voltron released in the late 90s. now on materials used for conconstructional of these listed is diecast and plastic. On most the main body is diecast and limbs and head are a mix of diecast and plastic. The only mostly plastic version is the Kangnam. the Kangnam used more plastic then diecast its construction. So if you find an all or mostly plastic Vintage looking Voltron/Golion/Lionbot, then its the Korean version. Trendmasters did make a vintage looking plastic one during its 3rd Dimension phase/line, but this version is smaller than the diecast versions. I hope this helps some. Thanks you so much, it really helps a lot.
For the oldest Lionbot version with rainbow-color text, are you talking about the one in the following post?
robotjapan.proboards.com/thread/21653/tell-various-lionbots-apart?page=1&scrollTo=303005
By the way, excpet the legits ones with the foil stickers (Popy, Godaikin, Matchbox), is there any pattern of embossed words to differentiate the KO's?
For example:
The ones have "Bandai 1981 Taiwan" under the jaw, are they belong to rainbow-color text Lionbot? or Golion? or Jaguarbot?
The ones have "1981 Taiwan" only (no Bandai) under the jaw, are they belong to rainbow-color text Lionbot? or Golion? or Jaguarbot?
Regard to the materials, I have to apologize that I didn't make it clearly.
When I said "plastic", I meant the main body. I really want to know if the Lionbot version on eBay has the plastic-made main bodies. I will see if I can get one at a better price in the future.
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 10, 2015 9:43:29 GMT -5
Actually, other than the number sticker, I think the vintage green lion KO looked nearly identical. Later on however, they started to use that terrible color green paint instead of the metallic green. The red is pretty much identical except for the number sticker as well and the stripe stickers on top of the back half may be a little different. I may have a vintage KO red lion laying around. I will check. I don't see the black lion separate box often either. I always thought that the yellow ring black lion (and yellow necks on the other lions) were a vintage KO though - the ones I have seen as full sets with those features were old. Sometimes I have seen those that look closer to actual golions, but the yellow parts kill it for me. It looks too crappy. I have a friend who knows the old and new (current) lionbots pretty well. I mainly know just the older ones. He is a member here also, but doesn't post all the time. I'll get in touch with him. Right, the KO red lions are so identical. Besides the ones that have the "1981 Taiwan" words under the jaw, I really can't tell a difference between vintage KO and the recently-made bootleg red lions. Wow, I think you made a very good point, as the new-made bootleg black lion doesn't have those yellow rings! This is such a valuable lesson to me, thanks. By the way, I just checked the following website (I saw the English format before, but can't find it now): www.dxtoy.com.tw/http/lion.htmlIt talks about the yellow ring black lion on the 8th set from the top. It says "this is an unique version, because the black lion has yellow rings, as well as the BLACK, RED, GREEN lions are made in plastic". If the statement is true, it might be the reason why that US seller were willing to sell the 2 items at relatively low prices. For the yellow neck red & green lions, it gets more complicate. As it might be the old KO (Lions 5 in 1, V-belt): robotjapan.proboards.com/thread/18670/voltron-iii-golion-lionbot-checking?page=1&scrollTo=231504Or, it can be the China-made bootleg (also V-belt) I recently talked about: robotjapan.proboards.com/thread/23186/golion-voltron-chinese-koSince they were both made by the same manufacturer, I would assume that the yellow neck red & green lions can be only found in V-belt set.
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 10, 2015 4:39:19 GMT -5
The fourth version should be diecast. I am almost 100% positive on that. On the ones you linked to above, it's just variance in pricing by the sellers. The Italian seller is way overpriced on those Taiwan versions. You'd pay that much for the French box of the individual popy golions. For the 2 U.S. Sellers, the $25 one priced them too cheap, the other store in Indiana is right at the high end of market price for these ($40-50). And usually that Thanks for the clarification, it is really helpful.
If it is diecast, $25 would a great deal. However, it seems to me that those are not the KO from old days, at least not the green lion. The vintage green lion, even if it is KO, has the red border surrounding the "No.3" rectangle, like what the Italian seller is listing.
For the red lion, I am still learning how to distinguish the new ones and old ones. Is there any difference on quality and appearance?
By the way, that US seller also sold a separate box of black lion, which I barely see on eBay: www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-LIONBOT-No-1-BLACK-LION-ITS-WEAPONS-/201379928497?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=ybRnejbtqoPOIkSJANF8aaPvbGM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
The black lion has the white hinges on the wing, but it has the "yellow rings" on the portions where the red & green lions connect to in combined form. Unless it has the "emerald green" on the forehead (which couldn't tell from the picture), it is probably not the vintage KO, in my opinion.
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 10, 2015 1:32:18 GMT -5
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 9, 2015 2:00:02 GMT -5
Really, the lions are plastic? I will correct my above post, your pictures helped. I was thinking of the black boxes that just say "lion" (though I have seen number 4 before). Also, I do see the silver boxes (#3) every now and then. I don't feel it is that hard to find. #1 box I don't see as much, I see the "lion" boxes more. I saw the lionbot version (#4 in my post) on eBay 4 or 5 times in the past, but whenever I asked the seller about the material, all the answers were "plastic". I wonder if they ever made the metallic ones like the other versions and the complete gift set are. If it only says "Lion", it's probably the "Chogokin" version. As a Taiwanese collector wrote in his blog, this version has the v-belt & sharp teeth features. Also, the blue and yellow lions have the "neck". Since I can't upload/pictures in the thread (Does anyone know why? Is there any secret tip to do so?), I will provide the link below: blog.xuite.net/yapyted/twblog/107518643-%E9%97%9C%E6%96%BC%E8%81%96%E6%88%B0%E5%A3%AB%E5%8F%B0%E7%89%88DX%E8%B6%85%E5%90%88%E9%87%91That's interesting, the silver box version on eBay is the only one I have ever seen. It looks so legit as it has Japanese words on the box, as well as the unique back. I would really like to own one, if the price is reasonable.
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 9, 2015 1:13:11 GMT -5
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 8, 2015 21:57:24 GMT -5
If you give it some time the guy from the Voltron thread should reply, or you could pm him. He is ill, and it takes him long to respond. Currently he is the only one I know of with this variant. It may just be hard to find because it was quickly changed during production years ago. In the last few years, a few rare box variants of all the Taiwan DX KO sets have turned up, just one, sometimes two of each. I want to believe they are all box variants made for different countries/export, that's why there are so many different ones. Thanks for your response. I went through some old threads, and saw a few vintage KO sets, like Lionbot (rainbow wording), 5 in 1, Jaguarbot, Golion, etc. It really makes me jealous I had a set of Taiwan-made Voltron in the 80's, when my grandma bought them in separate boxes. I don't remember if it is "Golon" or "Chogokin" version (probably not "Lionbot" version, since it's made in plastic), but I would be very happy to find either one. Anyways, I will wait for a while before pm Crpdiablos, due to his health condition. Thanks for your advice again.
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 8, 2015 21:21:47 GMT -5
Oh and I keep forgetting to discuss (out loud, haha) in English, about the stickers symbols in the center rectangle box. I don't know much Japanese characters at all, but the first set of symbols is specific to each lion, and it looks like it's saying which lion goes where in the combined form. Left arm, Right arm lion (Green) , torso (Black lion sticker) and "foot" or "leg" on the Blue lion. I hope I'm at least somewhat right. Anyone with some ability, or someone in the family who can translate those 3 sets of symbols in the rectangle box? I know this is a pretty old thread, but I feel that I should contribute some help, as the new comers might need this information in the future. The 3 symbols in the center rectangle box only represent the color of each lion. For example, the 1st pic in the thread, the symbols are 黑獅子, as 黑 = black, 獅子 = lion. For the symbol 綠獅子, 綠 = green. For the symbol 青獅子, 青 = blue. Hope this helps.
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 8, 2015 9:50:44 GMT -5
Hi,
I am new here, and I need some help about Jaguarbot.
I knew that Jaguarbot was a version that made in Taiwan in the 80's, just like Golions and Lionbot. However, I barely see Jaguarbot in Taiwan, compared to other versions.
How is the quality of Jaguarbot? Also, I am wondering if there is any labels on the back of black lion, or under the jaws of the other 4 lions.
Any help on these questions would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 8, 2015 9:41:53 GMT -5
No problem
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 8, 2015 1:40:18 GMT -5
So the KO sets like lionbots and godtrons, protector, are still produced right now. They are usually all sold on eBay for $90-100 shipped. I wasn't sure if you were from overseas, if so, I was asking you if the KO lionbots etc currently being produced still cost about $50 over there, or if they are more. Was just curious. Oh, I thought you were talking about this specific set, my bad. Yes, I am from Taiwan. Each of the lately made KO sets you mentioned is sold around USD 70 ~ 80 in Taiwan, which roughly matches the market price on eBay if you plus the shipping cost.
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 8, 2015 0:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 7, 2015 11:07:24 GMT -5
I'm downsizing a rather large Voltron and Lionbot collection. I have a lot of the really hard to find lionbots most in box with accessories. If you are looking for a specific one let me know. I have multiple V Belts,diamond Belts, Golion--bot,Jaguarbot, upside downstar, V crest and a couple super rare ones. I have almost everything Voltorn all boxed so if you are looking for something let me know. All the stuff I have are the popy based model I dont have any panosh place etc. I do have a couple mini lionbots both were mint except for the black lions head is broken on both that I am selling Hi, are they still for sale now? I would like to know more details about the Jaguarbot, like what is shown on the back of black lion and other 4 lions' jaws, thanks
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Post by buzzerbeater21 on Aug 7, 2015 8:58:25 GMT -5
Well just like the old lionbot with the box sticker you posted last year, this looks like it's written in Chinese. The picture isn't clear enough on the phone when I enlarge it, but that symbol looks like the symbol for the Chinese yuan. If I am right, the 1499 yuan is like $240 U.S. And the 1000 yuan is about $160 U.S. in today's money. Also the yuan is a subunit of renminbi (rmb). I can't make out the 25 part in the middle. Can you post a close up of that part of the package? If you post really clear close ups of all the writing I may be able to have a friend translate it. The words on the box are Chinese, but the manufacturer is actually from Taiwan. The company used to produce Voltron (lionbot) in Taiwan in the early days (good quality, sharp teeth, V belt), but it moved the factory to China later on. This set is clearly the made-in-China version. The price on the box is in NTD (New Taiwanese Dollar), and the currency is roughly 1:31 now. As a result, NTD 1499 is about USD48.5.
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