vintage voltes affected by soc voltes?

[joydivision]

i would like to hear your opinions about this:

Has the price of the godaikin voltes been affected by the release of the soc voltes?
for me it seems that the godaikin is not as high as it used to be but i don´t follow auctions that much!
but have the voltinbox versions been affected also?

what is THE MARKET dictating?

is voltes kung fu not what it used to be?
(no offense to the many pinoy voltes fans intended)

[sketcher]

Seems around the same. If anything, there was a period there where the figure actually went up in price. That was right around the release of the SOC. Still, neither are sitting on my shelf.

[Getterteam]

I think and I saw that prices are now extremily high as never, sometimes the Voltes Godaikin went over 1000usd, last year, you were able to pay less than 100usd for it....

[lurkerx]

I don't believe you were able to pay less than a $100 for a V5 godaikin last year judging from the ebay auctions i watched. If that were the case I would've gotten 2 of them rather than force myself to wait for the SOC version.

perhaps the $100 one was a super extremely beat up one.


The price of the V5 godaikin hasn't dropped the way combattler's price dropped a few years back when GX-03 was released [from $1k to about 600 to 400]

However, in the long run i think it will likely drop but not as much as V5 has a wider and more nostalgic appeal than combattler. IMHO

[dx*chogokin*king]

The SOC soul of Chogokin release has NOTHING to do with the vintage VOLTES V and it will not effect the price whats so ever. The fact is that most collectors are into vintage not necessary will be collecting SOC. Unless there were some super rare piece like ZAMBOT 3. Most vintage collector might just settle with SOC release. Plus, SOC are totally new items not an re-issues. It will only boost the interst of the vintage sale. That just my 2 cents. Bryan

[boogeyman]

dxchogokinking said:

The SOC soul of Chogokin release has NOTHING to do with the vintage VOLTES V

holy words

[lurkerx]

The fact is that most collectors are into vintage not necessary will be collecting SOC.

However, new demand for it will be somewhat diminished or stale due to the concept of "product substitution".

In addition, we've seen a trend of selling old godaikin for the newer more anime accurate SOCs in the past for items such as popy mazinger, combattler, getters etc.

Having said that as these items go back onto the market there's likely to be less demand for them due to the SOC as such a price decline is probable.

It rarely ever goes the other way.

Its like why buy a takatoku valk for $1,000 ++ when you has so many other more appealling choices.

IMO

[Getterteam]

I wasn't speaking about Ebay sales but about trade between collectors... Last year, some french collectors proposed to me to buy 2 Voltes Godaikin in very good shape, each less than 100usd ! Now, the same guys ask for 1000usd for the same toys category... pretending that the Soc release made a higher demand about the thing. People can beleive what they want to, I was there and that's true !

[joydivision]

100?! they did not know what they had in their hands! why didn´t you buy them?

[Getterteam]

I didn't bought them because last year I worked in a Parisian Toys collection store and I won 600usd by months so you can imagine that you do nothing in Paris with this pity pay ! A friend of mine trade with 1 of this Voltes (some Godaikin and Shogun warrior lines were sold in "solderie" at the end of the 90s in France, low prices, nobody care about it....here) and he still get it (how lucky he is !), one day I hope to buy this masterpiece from him with a good price.... ;D

[boogeyman]

where did you worked? luluberlù?

[Godaikin]

each toy has its own collectors and customers, in my own opinion since I do collect both Godaikin toys and SOC Toys, I did NOT see any important price change, the only time I have noticed the price for Voltes V Godaikin actually went up a little more than usual.

[bomberx]

Even if the price does slide slightly it is only due to market settle and I doubt a huge slide will ever eventuate.....the price of any vintage toy will go though ups and downs but I doubt the SOC issue will ever make a huge change to the price. Hey, what ever the price a vintage toy collector will always go for the vintage version. As for me, the price of the a vintage item will always stay out of my price range so I have to settle for the SOC release and be happy with it....meeeh, what can you do.

[admin1 aka Ed]

I would say the vintage V5 didn't really take a hit after the SOC release. The vintage toy is superior in height, weight, packing, and features. For that reason it appears that the buying public appreciates both and supports steady, if not rising, vintage prices. Indeed V5 seems to keep going up in price.

As to substitutions, we need a near exact toy to substitute. Jeeg by Takara and Robocon GA toys were hurt be re-issues. The reissues definately are close to the real deals (if not near exact).

Voltes & Zanbot SOC toys simply fit into a different category that the old versions. They are uniquely SOC vs. vinyl vs. plastic, vs. vintage chogokin.

-E

[lurkerx]

There will always be contemporary collectors who’d think like me where instead of purchasing a MIB godaikin Voltes V for a ridiculously astronomical price they’d rather have 2 SOCs and spend the excess on other things. One may argue that the SOC version is aesthetically superior in every way to the godaikin anyway. Actually, it is more pose-able; better engineered; better proportioned, more stable, and better accessories. I mean sure its shorter, its got no missiles, it can’t do a “tank-mode” but simply put it captures the anime character’s soul with sharp precision not to mention more price efficient. People tend to romanticize it too much saying nothing new can ever beat the old but in this case and in Zambot’s, dancougar’s, grendizer’s, getter’s, mazinger’s etc. the new is far more superior {IMHO]

I’d take SOC over vintage any day. Heck, I would’ve sold my V5 godaikin had it not been given to me by my now deceased father.

Had I not bought the SOC I would’ve purchased a more perfect specimen of the V5 Godaikin and unwillingly given in to the ridiculous price inflation.

There lies the product substitution.

The more collectors believe in this reasoning the more Vintage V5’s price will either stagnate or decrease. And there are a number of us who do think this way, enough to influence the V5 godaikin’s value trend.

Just checked ebay 3 sold respectively for $1,125.00, $635.00 and $861.00 and some other 4 auctions did not even receive bids for.
Its probably going for a lot less in Yahoo Japan auctions. This is a far cry from a guaranteed $1K for a MIB Voltes V in the last couple of years.

So it has dropped slightly and will either stagnate or continue drop just like vintage mazinger, zambot, vintage grendizer, vintage getters, combattler V etc. [IMHO]

[dx*chogokin*king]

lurkerx said:

So it has dropped slightly and will either stagnate or continue drop just like vintage mazinger, zambot, vintage grendizer, vintage getters, combattler V etc. [IMHO]

[dx*chogokin*king]

I would have to disgree with u on that one. U can not even see one set of original DX ZAMBOT 3 for sale for u to figure out weather the price has drop or not on ZANBOT 3. How can u say it drop in price? Do u even know how rare those thing are? U just dont see them often like VOLTES V GODAIKIN dose. Plus to tell u the truth, USA VERSION release GODAIKIN VOLTES V is the re-issue of the original Japanese release VOLTES V which were out in 1977. How many JAPANESE VERSION do u see on ebay? Rest my case PEACE Bryan

[lurkerx]

dxchogokinking said:

I would have to disgree with u on that one. U can not even see one set of original DX ZAMBOT 3 for sale for u to figure out weather the price has drop or not on ZANBOT 3. How can u say it drop in price? Do u even know how rare those thing are? U just dont see them often like VOLTES V GODAIKIN dose. Plus to tell u the truth, USA VERSION release GODAIKIN VOLTES V is the re-issue of the original Japanese release VOLTES V which were out in 1977. How many JAPANESE VERSION do u see on ebay? Rest my case PEACE Bryan

There were a couple of zambots on ebay this year.

In my world, V5 JP popy is the same as V5 godaikin different box same toy. [slightly different accesories]. The same applies to all others ;D

[dx*chogokin*king]

In my world, V5 JP popy is the same as V5 godaikin different box same toy. [slightly different accesories]. The same applies to all others ;D



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Thats what makes the difference in term of the price

[Godaikin]

yup...I do collect both the old and the new ones...and yes the vintage do cost a lot more but they are worth it in many ways... originality of the diecast....the weight of the actual toy...you can tell that whom ever worked on these back in the day did actually but a lot of effort in making them with respect to their old technology....as for the SOC toys...they are nice also...nice to look at I would say...nice colors on the box accompained with a lovely designs but it does not match the mystical apperance of an old vintage toy...maybe one day if you have ever decided to collect a nice looking vintage toy from the 70s....you will know excatly what I mean.