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Post by tuck2197 on May 29, 2008 12:48:07 GMT -5
Ok so I grew up with the Robotech Comic books, then discovered that there were also cartoons (anime) thus the "As seen on TV" label on the comics. Then I learned (recently) that Robotech Macross/Masters/New generation were US addaptations of 3 totally seperate Japaneese anime.
So I recently obtained a dub'ed version of DYRL. So here is my question. Having watched the Remastered Robotech Macross 36 episodes and then DYRL there are huge differences in character development, story line, etc..so does DYRL closely summarize the original Japaneese Macross Anime? Or is DYRL kind of a new take on Macross with much of the same charaters but a slightly different story (ala the Andromeda strain mew TV movie vs the original movie). Basically how much different are the original Macross episodes from Robotech Macross? Is it the same animation, and Robotech just has an altered story to incoorporate the Masters/New gen or should I just bite the bullet and find dub'd copies of Macross? I am sure this has been asked before but what I have uncovered on the web never seems to be quite clear. probally just haven't found the correct site yet. Thanks for any help.
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Post by 00silvergt on May 29, 2008 13:03:03 GMT -5
No DYRL is an alternate reality. The earth has been destroyed completely. The original Macross was a bit different from the Robotech that we grew up with. If you watched the dubbed version, I'm sorry...LOL, try watching the Subbed version since that would make better sense! LOL A couple of years ago, Macross was released, dubbed with the original storyline intact. It was 7 DVD's in the set. It was done by ADVfilms, here's a link to a review of the first DVD: www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/super-dimensional-fortress-macross/dvd-1Essentially, the names have been changed. Hikaru Ichijoe is Rick Hunter, Misa Hayese is Lisa Hayes, etc. Protoculture is not a fuel or flower of life, it is the First advanced society or civilization. Zentradi was the race, but they were split- Zentran for males and Meltrandi for females. Don't want to ruin it for you, go rent, buy the DVD's. |
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Post by tuck2197 on May 29, 2008 17:53:23 GMT -5
Ok that makes sense. Thanks for the info and catching my mistype of subbed...oh well I never claimed to be good at typing and or spelling.
Looks like when I have some cash I will be investing in the macross DVD's, I'm real curious to see how much it was altered to make Robotech.
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Post by 00silvergt on May 29, 2008 17:57:10 GMT -5
Huh? I wasn't commenting on your spelling?  I don't get it? You said you watched the dubbed version, that one sucked. The subbed version of DYRL is much better. Go see it, it will make more sense are far as the story, instead of that: "Why are you fighting, women are for love not for fighting" hong kong Kung fu movie style dubbing that you watched. The original Japanese with subtitles can explain the story better and not to mention is not as cut up like the English version. |
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Post by tuck2197 on May 29, 2008 21:03:48 GMT -5
See here I made the mistake and hit "d" instead of "s"...I actually did watch the snubbed version (I didn't even know there was a dubbed version)....LOL ;D I wasn't offended or piss'd I make more fun of myself for my lack of typing skills than anyone else. I have to say that coming from a Robotech background it was a bit of a shock watching DYRL...at first I was like hmm proculture is a culture?  But having thought more about it makes more sense. I am looking forward to seeing the snubbed macross series. That said while I am not a fan of concept turning Macross into Robotech...I did like Robotech and it worked for me as a kid. That said I never could figure out how you go from kick-a$$ wepaons like VF-1's to hover tanks. I always thought something was up...it seemed that technology should get more awesome not less as time went on. |
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Post by 00silvergt on May 30, 2008 11:11:28 GMT -5
See here I made the mistake and hit "d" instead of "s"...I actually did watch the snubbed version (I didn't even know there was a dubbed version)....LOL ;D I wasn't offended or piss'd I make more fun of myself for my lack of typing skills than anyone else. I have to say that coming from a Robotech background it was a bit of a shock watching DYRL...at first I was like hmm proculture is a culture? But having thought more about it makes more sense. I am looking forward to seeing the snubbed macross series. That said while I am not a fan of concept turning Macross into Robotech...I did like Robotech and it worked for me as a kid. That said I never could figure out how you go from kick-a$$ wepaons like VF-1's to hover tanks. I always thought something was up...it seemed that technology should get more awesome not less as time went on. I think we all did as a kid, hence our growing interest in the original. BTW, you do know the hover tanks are from Super Dimensional Army: Southern Cross. A totally separate and unrelated show, right? ;D  Explains "Dana"'s hair color change from Macross to Masters. |
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Post by tuck2197 on May 30, 2008 13:38:25 GMT -5
Yeah I know that... now...I was just commenting on the US Robotech cartoons and what always bothered me about them. To me that was a hint that maybe something was up. It wasn't until a few months ago when I discovered the truth that there were 3 seperate and independent Japaneesa anime series that were combined with a new story to form Robotech that everything started to make sense.
Its funny how me starting a relatively simple photography project has ended up leading me back to the comics and cartoons of my youth only to discover a much broader and more cool world of anime. I am having a blast catching up.
By the way thanks for taking the time to keep answering all of my questions, you and everyone else have been a huge help. I only hope that end result of my project is interesting enough that you guys don't feel like it was a waist of time
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Post by 00silvergt on May 30, 2008 14:43:19 GMT -5
We are here to help and always love to give it.
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Post by Ben-Ohki on May 30, 2008 17:38:39 GMT -5
If you want some confusion added to it, in order to work the movie into continuity, in the "Macross universe" "Do You Remember Love?" is a movie filmed by Minmay as a dramatization of the events in the "real" Macross!  But in our universe, yeah, it's basically a movie version remake... a pretty good one at that. And I'm glad that was a typo you made in the first post, because damn, I've seen the actual officially dubbed version and it was well... many anime fans my age can agree - it deserves its reputation as "worst anime dub ever." |
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Post by Newtypezeta on Jun 10, 2008 2:16:57 GMT -5
I have both the ADV and the animeigo sets of SDF Macross. Although I like the ADV extras and the original Mari Ijima doing the dubbs, I enjoyed the Animeigo ones more because they still have the same sound effects from the show. For some reason the ADV guys decided to change alot of the sounds like the gunpod sounds and laser blast. Other than that it's pretty good. The dubbed voices aren't too bad just have to get used to them since I grew up with Tony Oliver (Rick) and Reba West (Minmay) voices. "Well I'm here now singing. All bells are ringing." Love those lyrics. LOL. Have fun discovering the true Macross Tuck2197! We've all been there at one time. Thanx Carl Macek.  |
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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 10, 2008 23:55:52 GMT -5
...and don't just stick to Macross T.V. or DYRL, go forward and watch Macross Plus (OAV and International Version, Movie Ed), Macross 7 (Trash, The Galazy is calling me, Encore- 15th anniv, and Dynamite 7) Macross Zero, and of course, Macross Frontier!
If someone tries to sneak in Macross II: Lovers Again... you can also try it but be warned, it's an acquired taste. Macross extremists hate it, but some still like it, mainly for the nice OST, and the well designed VF-2's.
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Post by Newtypezeta on Jun 11, 2008 1:19:41 GMT -5
...and don't just stick to Macross T.V. or DYRL, go forward and watch Macross Plus (OAV and International Version, Movie Ed), Macross 7 (Trash, The Galazy is calling me, Encore- 15th anniv, and Dynamite 7) Macross Zero, and of course, Macross Frontier! If someone tries to sneak in Macross II: Lovers Again... you can also try it but be warned, it's an acquired taste. Macross extremists hate it, but some still like it, mainly for the nice OST, and the well designed VF-2's. I like Banana Moon. ;D  |
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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 11, 2008 2:00:42 GMT -5
Yeap! Koi no Banana Mun (Banana Moon Love), 2 Okunen Mae no you ni Shizuka da ne (Hush of 200 Million Years), Ima Wa TOmodachi (Only your Friend), and several others are really good.
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Post by 00silvergt on Jun 11, 2008 3:53:47 GMT -5
If you want some confusion added to it, in order to work the movie into continuity, in the "Macross universe" "Do You Remember Love?" is a movie filmed by Minmay as a dramatization of the events in the "real" Macross! But in our universe, yeah, it's basically a movie version remake... a pretty good one at that. And I'm glad that was a typo you made in the first post, because damn, I've seen the actual officially dubbed version and it was well... many anime fans my age can agree - it deserves its reputation as "worst anime dub ever." You thought that was bad, go see the North American release of it that's been chopped up: Clash of the Bionoids. As if the dubbed version was not bad enough, someone decided to cut out any saving grace from the production and market it as a kids cartoon! Yuck would be complementing, nausea would be a great reaction. In closing, I'll leave you with a quote: "Women are for love, not for fighting!" Jeebus Cripes, I was waiting for the : "You killed teacher, no, I will avenge you!" or "You've just asked me "When will it end?" Well let me tell you: Once an evil deed is done, then it never ends... it goes on and it goes on forever. " |
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Post by tuck2197 on Jun 11, 2008 11:11:45 GMT -5
I actually did obtain copies of Macross Plus and Zero. I just finished watching Plus. Not bad, a little weak in the plot, but enjoyable. Hey I work in the world of flight test so kinda cool. Haven't started watching Zero yet.
Thanks agin for the info
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Post by 00silvergt on Jun 11, 2008 11:41:27 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest with you and I will probably catch heck for this, but, most of the proceeding series after the original Macross, I have found quite uninteresting. In almost every aspect, in mecha design, story, character building, etc. The only one I found even remotely interesting is the new one, Macross Frontier. Albeit it is apparent they are trying to pay homage to the original, however the execution seems that it is almost cloning the original or riding the proverbial coat tails of the original series.
Admittedly, Macross is a tough act to follow, however, to date, they have proven this true.
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Post by tuck2197 on Jun 11, 2008 12:14:44 GMT -5
I have been watching Frontier as well, have to agree with you. While I am enjoying it (and even though I have only watched Robotech the Macross Saga and don't have a full grasp of the actual story line except what has been mentioned in this thread) I am finding too many similarities to Macross, but again there is much to like about it and this is the first Macross related anime that I have been able to watch as it aired so I will just sit back and enjoy it.
As for the mecha with all of the Macross series, I think it may just suffer from no new concepts. The cool factor with the original was the transform jet (obviously f-14 inspired), since then it from what I have seen it has just been new transforming jets so really nothing new. I do have the new Yamato YF-21 and am impressed with it. But somehow it doesn't feel very Macross to me, its just not a VF-1...
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Post by 00silvergt on Jun 11, 2008 12:23:03 GMT -5
I agree it is a lack of originality and the designs are basically updated versions of the original Valkyrie. To certain degrees, i.e. Macross 7, the jet looks awesome, but the battroid mode is not very pleasing.
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Post by quinjester on Jun 11, 2008 18:59:18 GMT -5
While I would definitely agree that Frontier is quite derivative, it seems conscious of the fact (as much as a show can be "conscious"), with the constant nods, winks, and occasionally "HEY LOOK AT ME!" homages to previous series', and I can't help but feel that it's got something wild up its sleeve. I'm sure the series designers know that they wont be able to get by on nostalgia alone, and thus I eagerly anticipate the crazy directions and twists I hope they take the series in.
If nothing else, even if I'm wrong and it ends up being a derivative retelling of the original Macross saga, I can take solace in the fact that we'll get some sweet Bandai (finally!) DX Valkyries out of the deal.
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Post by 00silvergt on Jun 11, 2008 20:02:15 GMT -5
That may be wishful thinking or being very optimistic. I think it certainly is a homage to the original, being the anniversary show and all. Alto is a lot like a cross-dressing Hikaru and Minmay is a cross between the two love interests. I think they took elements from every show prior to Frontier, which is blatant in #10, when they were filming the Macross Zero Movie and added very little. Maybe I'm just being overall pessimistic, but I think by the conclusion of this series, we will be into one heck of a disappointment or left with a feeling of just another average anime riding the coat tails of the older groundbreaking anime. I doubt anything superfluous will happen, at the end of it all I predict simple adequacy.
It almost would be like one long commercial for the resell of the DVD's of all the old Macross shows.
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