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Post by greengetterguy on Nov 28, 2013 13:37:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Proportion wise, difference between anime accuracy and perceived anime accuracy is HUGE!,
Collectors will often choose idealistic "perceived" anime accuracy. we def want dead accurate source material when it comes to graphic details like colors on a door panel or fin locations or the shape of the wings and such but proportion wise especially on 70 s character def can use some beef. Not too much but enough to give him so he looks intimidating.
It would be awesome if we get to choose a proportion may be out of three separate proposals. Not unlike market test I guess.
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 28, 2013 13:40:29 GMT -5
yeah, and the blue lines under his chest.. is that a painted design or is that a shadow? Sometimes it is there, sometimes it is not there... its tricky to figure out what the original artists MEANT when they drew this stuff... what they drew and what they meant could be two different things! 70s anime was crazy.
and certain frames use "Forced Perspective".. this can influence what people THINK they are seeing and alter how they think its supposed to look.. it takes a lot of "translation into the real world" and estimates to come close to "how it was REALLY supposed to look" 70s anime was never intended to be dissected the way we are doing it today
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 28, 2013 15:52:12 GMT -5
Oh, yes Superman is still Superman without Reeves' face but when it comes to drawing and sculpts, there is a beautiful-created Superman face & an ugly-created Superman face. We are not creating humans here...We are creating art. Now, I am sure some genius philosopher will say "beauty & ugliness is a matter of taste", ok, I agree but not always, as many like the taste of candies and some like the taste of kaka (probably, their own kaka)! There are standards to everything, otherwise there will be chaos. Now this is kinda strange! I thought that damage 7 love HL pro and their mt01 ! I comment on it's propirtions a lot but that is me You don't have to be confused. I still salute HL PRO for many products they made, but I cannot close my eyes on the previous topics I recently mentioned. And if (I am just saying "if") you need to discuss the matter of proportions, well...I may skip it when it comes to the robot bodies (I may consider it a style - as in MT01 and MT04 cuz it's not that ugly), but to do this to the heads too? Excuse me, now, that's really too much and ugly. The head of Roboizer looks like Grendizer has stepped on it with his big foot to flatten it LOL! It needs not to be thin and stretched like this. It needs to get a bit wider. |
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Post by kaeruze on Nov 28, 2013 16:44:19 GMT -5
I don't know, I also salute HLPro for taking a stab at obscure characters like Gattaiger or Grendy's bad guys, but there is definitely something wrong with this guy's proportions.
Putting it on HLPro's own style doesn't fly for me, because it feels so unpersonal. Style is all about personality and allI see on this sculpt is an absence of style. Otherwise I, like others here will also surely get it, despite of all the criticism I have for this figure, but I just hope the price point will stay under 150$.
Bandai's SRC are definitely more bang for my buck but these MTs of rare characters are great collections fillers that Bandai doesn't have the guts to make so that is why HLPro does get my vote and money for their work!
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 28, 2013 17:21:05 GMT -5
Evolution Toy has the same obscure character approach as HLPro, with the exception that they (ET) charges quite more money for a 99% plastic figure with magnetic joints.
}D
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 28, 2013 17:21:20 GMT -5
Its still just a prototype though..they have plenty of time to work on it still.. good paint job, maybe a tweak here and there and that figure is going to be fantastic for that character. Plus, having the figure in your hands is a lot different from looking at the photos.. and they got a good team working on it.. have faith.
We must also consider that we are just looking at Roboizer himself.. the other half of the game is the Flying Tiger! I really cant see ANYTHING wrong with that Flying Tiger so far. I cant wait till they release a photo of it with the planned color scheme and the nose installed. Im sure that is going to set off another round of debate too.. but lets "bring it on"..
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Post by kaeruze on Nov 28, 2013 17:42:33 GMT -5
Evolution Toy has the same obscure character approach as HLPro, with the exception that they (ET) charges quite more money for a 99% plastic figure with magnetic joints. }D Hmm, you're right, although price-wise I believe both companies' products are in the same price range. I don't mind plastic though, it's not a big deal to me as I prefer engineering over metal content but Evolution Toys sadly have neither diecast nor great engineering... But I'm still interested in their upcoming Dai X so you never can rule any company out I guess as long as they are putting out a rarely done character one cares for. |
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 28, 2013 17:45:50 GMT -5
a good one to watch is Sentinel .. a powerful player behind Sentinel. Small, die cast, excellent, expensive. That company will do well.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 28, 2013 17:53:39 GMT -5
Sentinel is said to be great! I do not have any of their figures... yet! But I will have their Black Getter and Getter 1 when they are released (pre-paid them already). I just wished they were less expensive, like in the $50 to $60 range versus the $80 to $90 they are now.  }D |
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 28, 2013 18:02:35 GMT -5
no way.. they aren't interested in high production numbers needed to get the price down that low. Those guys are SHREWD business men.. they know what that figure is worth. Its like Mercedes, "if you cant afford it, please move on.. were in this to WIN THIS" ..exclusivity is a powerful business strategy as long as you can back it up with quality.
Black Getter must be around 100 bucks huh?
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 28, 2013 18:05:41 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true. No argument on that!  }D |
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Post by kaeruze on Nov 28, 2013 18:09:39 GMT -5
Definitely a must have, btw Getter1 is still available just under the 8000yen mark at HLJ's black friday sale if anyone is interested!
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 28, 2013 19:19:08 GMT -5
Ok I got a long message from HL last night.. it was a complicated message and I am just waking up getting ready for Thanksgiving. The whole house is filled with food and cooking female relatives, you American members know how that is.. The 9in Vinyl Gattiger was mostly made within the confines of the molding technology. Its an original Gattiger design that is not anime and its not manga.. its just "Gattiger".. The idea was just to have a fun, cool looking Gattiger figure. The Metaltech Gattiger is being based on the anime but that is very tricky to do. There are only a few frames of him in the OVA to go on. They are trying to stay as close to the source material as possible and still have a figure that has articulation and detail that a metaltech figure needs. The team that is designing him is actually trying to stay away from being influenced too much by drawings done by artists that came later with their own interpretations and they are staying away from the custom figures bc they have moved too far away from the original OVA drawings over time. To Baron: that looks cool but what you are suggesting is basically the Energer based custom, and that custom has many differences from the OVA drawings. One of the main differences is the limbs and the shoulders.. the OVA clearly shows nearly straight limbs and no round shoulder joints.. the custom has round shoulder joints and very "Bandai Mazinger" type legs.. we want to stay a little bit closer to the way he was drawn in the 1970s but still have a figure that can be articulated. So, we want to go with a straighter leg and special shoulder joints that give the look of the OVA but still have a normal range of motion. Then he went on to say that he and the team are listening to the reactions to the prototype and taking suggestions and discussing them among each other. Some features on the figure are subject to change, one thing he mentioned is that they are looking into another way to do those shoulders that give the look they need and still give articulation. He also said things that the head width COULD change but that they also think the wide-head look came more from the influence of the Custom figure and the fact that in the OVA Gattiger was drawn from an angle that usually cased Japanese artists to widen the figure to provide the prospective you get when you "look up" at a character.. they don't think the head is actually as wide as it was drawn... but they seem open to a slightly wider head. as I said before guys, I saw more detailed photos of the hands...they match and they look perfect.. similar to the hands on Gin Gin but the fingers in a different pose... all based on the same 3D model made for Gattiger so the hands are not a problem. So, guys its still a prototype and the team has been watching in on us.. they have a lot of time to get the figure right. Also, based on what was said, the team knows "who is who" on RJ because that whole team "lurks" here.. they know who likes what and how that effects what a member thinks of a figure ..My words not theirs, just based on my observations.. So, they are trying to pull together a bunch of different factors into one figure, OVA looks, mechanics that work and Metaltech "stamp" all in one figure that most guys will like to look at.. its a tough job but Im pretty sure that they will get it done real well. good to know there still doing some improvements on it. even though its just a prototype, he still looks pretty sweet, but of this thing ends up been like more than $100 they better make it right. XD |
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Post by magengar on Nov 28, 2013 19:35:22 GMT -5
Cannonball shoulders are soOoOoOo Sexy! lol    zozo-mag My only serious gripe about the current prototype is the shoulders. They remind me of the 1990's action figures, with those simple and cheap looking shoulders. They just look awful, and that is the truth. Gattaiger's design is basically the same simple design Mazinger Z and Getter Robot had. The shoulders need to be the same way, basically a sphere attached to the torso. Those shoulders were never meant to be huge, like Bandai likes to make them. But they need to be spheres. Otherwise it looks does pretty bad. }D I agree.. I have mixed feelings about them too at this point and I suggested the exact same thing.. 100% agreement.. unless they come up with something that isnt a sphere that looks even better than a sphere.. but looking at them as they are right now I think they were kind of unnecessary , the right sized sphere would do the same job and prevent controversy .... totally agree with you Now if you look at photos with the figure with the arms at his sides he looks good from the photos .. front view and back view it looks pretty good.. Similar to the angle on the sphere to bicep as the Great Mazinger Jumbo Machinder... but when the arms lift out into a "T" postion, the shoulder seems to deform a little bit..at least in the photos that we have. Maybe it looks better in person but I think a traditional sphere shoulder like on the MT01 would be safer to use.. maybe a different diameter sphere to fit the character but the same type of shoulder as the MT01 |
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Post by Chen on Nov 28, 2013 19:37:12 GMT -5
I don't have a issue with the sculpts, they are what they are. The price is another issue, exclusivity is fine as long as you include the features. Even Mercedes has to compete and be comparable to BMW, Audi, Lexus, etc. So who are you competing against? They can't say they aren't competing against anyone because every dollar spent on another item in your sector is a dollar you lost. That's good business, its fine to charge high prices if the competition is also charging high prices for similar products. So again who is HLPRO competing against? The market is limited and "oddball" designs will carry you so far. Personally I'll get Gin Gin, Gattaiger, and Z Mazinger but their not at the top of my list and perhaps just being on the list is good enough for HLPRO.
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Post by Chen on Nov 28, 2013 19:40:07 GMT -5
BTW I'm not criticizing just trying to get a handle on where their coming from. I also do enjoy and purchase their products and plan to buy more.
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 28, 2013 20:04:55 GMT -5
BTW I'm not criticizing just trying to get a handle on where their coming from. I also do enjoy and purchase their products and plan to buy more. we weren't talking about HLpro.. we were talking about Sentinel |
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 28, 2013 20:09:03 GMT -5
Ok guys word from HLpro.. the head will be slightly widened and he will be made just a tad more robust-looking. For now, shoulders will stay the same.. they say that they could change them but it would make him look weaker. They said they look good in about every pose but at some angles they do not photograph that well... but as they have him in their hands they say you gotta see it in person to really understand it. They will give out more photos as the work progresses and that we will understand those shoulders after its all done and painted and in your hands...
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Post by B- on Nov 28, 2013 20:19:51 GMT -5
Ok as far as Im concerened Evolution toys sculpts are better than ANY other company,barnone.But teh magnets got to go when not needed,the Z-Mazinger I have is perfect,perfect,his head is exactly right for Mazinger too.They have the best sculptors.As far as sentinel,I preordered both Getters and Gorg,Gorg is one Diecast to look out for,a bit pricey but its gonna be hot!
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Post by chogokinabdul on Nov 28, 2013 22:27:11 GMT -5
Now this is kinda strange! I thought that damage 7 love HL pro and their mt01 ! I comment on it's propirtions a lot but that is me You don't have to be confused. I still salute HL PRO for many products they made, but I cannot close my eyes on the previous topics I recently mentioned. And if (I am just saying "if") you need to discuss the matter of proportions, well...I may skip it when it comes to the robot bodies (I may consider it a style - as in MT01 and MT04 cuz it's not that ugly), but to do this to the heads too? Excuse me, now, that's really too much and ugly. The head of Roboizer looks like Grendizer has stepped on it with his big foot to flatten it LOL! It needs not to be thin and stretched like this. It needs to get a bit wider. I got your point man .. I like the fact that they do obscure characters that were never done before I just wish they go extra steps in paying attention to details so that we can be happy 100% about their products when we get them not just because there isn't any alternative in the market  |
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