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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 27, 2013 17:46:02 GMT -5
I think it looks good either way... same thing goes on with Great Mazinger and Mazinger Z.. face width is what ever you like best or it doesn't matter. But yeah Baron, I like your version too... looks a lot like the EngergerZ custom.. on the other hand the one that HL is working on reminds me more of that photo I showed you.. its like in between the two of them.. Im pretty sure what we are talking about is mainly "a matter of taste".. either one of them looks good to me.
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Post by B- on Nov 27, 2013 18:30:48 GMT -5
Does anyone agree with my mock up?At least as far as teh head goes? real FAST QUICK FIXES,JUST MOLDING IT ALONG,LOOKS BETTER WITH A BIT LARGER HEAD AND TOP WINDOW OF HEAD CRUSHED DOWN SOME,MAKES CHEST LOOK MORE PROPRTIONATE,WIDENED LEGS ETC ETC..VERY QUICKLY DONE IN PAINT BUT YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN AT LEAST.crap capitals sorry..had caps stuck on sorry for yelling.  hmm red top on gattaiger heads just need to be reduce a little bit, interestingly Gattaiger in body wise his suppose to be more wider. Its just the color I picked I was lazy,its not meant to be darker,just rounded head out a bit with teh wrong color last minute,its about the shape not teh color,its just a quick touch up shot to show better proportions. Getershadow,I agree its always about taste,but in this case,there is some anatomical issues in relation to the parts. |
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 27, 2013 19:06:50 GMT -5
Im not going to argue about it man, ha ha ha... the one HL is making looks a lot like the one in the drawing I showed you. Either one is fine by me.. now what they are showing is a prototype, they could still do some tweaks on it. We just have to see what they end up with... they still got a lot of time to work on it.
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Post by Chen on Nov 27, 2013 19:12:37 GMT -5
I think it's pretty obvious that the design was on purpose to set a design style for the Metaltech line, it's in keeping with what they've done before. It's a way for them to leave a fingerprint, obviously they know that it may not be the most popular design choice but they seem to sell enough units to keep justifying their direction.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 27, 2013 19:14:35 GMT -5
"Superman" is "Superman", just because it doesn't have Christopher Reeves face on a figure does not mean that the character is not Superman... Its STILL SUPERMAN! ha ha This has to be the best analogy I've read anywhere regarding fictional character figures. I will always keep this in mind from now on, seriously. Thanks!  }D |
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 27, 2013 19:50:07 GMT -5
Glad you like that one TMZ, I wrote that sh*t myself, feel free to use it at anytime when needed... from here on out whenever I say "Its STILL SUPERMAN!" You guys will know what Im talking about .. ha ha ha
Chen, I believe you are 100% correct... Metaltech must be going for a "Dynamic Planning/Metaltech" stamp on the character.. just like in that drawing by Dynamic Planning but with a Metaltech spin on it.. that's a good way to look at it.
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Post by B- on Nov 27, 2013 19:58:26 GMT -5
Im not going to argue about it man, ha ha ha... the one HL is making looks a lot like the one in the drawing I showed you. Either one is fine by me.. now what they are showing is a prototype, they could still do some tweaks on it. We just have to see what they end up with... they still got a lot of time to work on it. No way Im not argueing either good friend.Just making a point,no matter how it ends up im buying it!I think HLPro is a brave company but I will say how i feel about things honestly,and after all im not hurting anyones feelings I hope,I mean you didnt sculpt it Tom! LOL. I think its actually rather good,just pointing out a few things as we do with EVERY figure that comes across this forum.I mean you do it yourself,we all do,look at the Mazinkaiser thread,or Grendizer by Bandai or CMs,recently.All are heavily critiqued.I realize you have taken it upon yourself to be sort of an advocate of HLPro,but dont take opinions on their toys personally,Im not saying you are or have,but if you do that is silly,you have no input on design at that level anyhow. I am more for companies like CMs and HLPro who are gutsy enough to take risks with obscure stuff.BTW i love the Spacer or Spaizer as HLPro dubbed it, that I just bought recently!I know you were wondering.Its very nice and solid!Paint was real good too. |
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 27, 2013 19:58:53 GMT -5
as long as i don't see them doing Gattaiger with human proportion limbs then im ok with what they do.
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 27, 2013 20:11:18 GMT -5
Im not going to argue about it man, ha ha ha... the one HL is making looks a lot like the one in the drawing I showed you. Either one is fine by me.. now what they are showing is a prototype, they could still do some tweaks on it. We just have to see what they end up with... they still got a lot of time to work on it. No way Im not argueing either good friend.Just making a point,no matter how it ends up im buying it!I think HLPro is a brave company but I will say how i feel about things honestly,and after all im not hurting anyones feelings I hope,I mean you didnt sculpt it Tom! LOL. I think its actually rather good,just pointing out a few things as we do with EVERY figure that comes across this forum.I mean you do it yourself,we all do,look at the Mazinkaiser thread,or Grendizer by Bandai or CMs,recently.All are heavily critiqued.I realize you have taken it upon yourself to be sort of an advocate of HLPro,but dont take opinions on their toys personally,Im not saying you are or have,but if you do that is silly,you have no input on design at that level anyhow. I am more for companies like CMs and HLPro who are gutsy enough to take risks with obscure stuff.BTW i love the Spacer or Spaizer as HLPro dubbed it, that I just bought recently!I know you were wondering.Its very nice and solid!Paint was real good too. OH YEAH .. we are ALL critics.. that's true!... and when I come here. I come to talk about robots and debate or critique .. that's what all of this is about. I actually don't take anything personal unless its a personal attack against me, a friend or an innocent RJ member/ Now when I come down with a negative verdict on a figure, I usually point out that I don't like it just bc the way it looks and how it makes me feel.. I don't pull out a bunch of stats or photos usually just because its a thing of individual taste with me. I look at them as art works.. if I like it I like it if I don't I don't. But if the quality is good, Ill say that too. Example, I love Getter Robo, but I wouldn't touch a Fewture Getter with a ten foot pole.. but Ill be the first to tell you that they are excellent figures of very high quality and value... I just don't like how they look. They aren't "MY idea of a Getter".. but I understand why guys like them and respect them. I said the same about the SRC Grendizer, I don't like it... but its an excellent figure, I understand why guys like it.... just not for me. Same with CM Grendizer... that is almost a FANTASTIC figure..that head is wonderful.. his whole upper body looks pretty much ideal to me. I even like the big hands.. BUT, In my heart I know that is a Miracle Productions... and it shows sometimes... This Gattiger.. I like it, and I like your version of it and I like the custom too... either way.. ITS STILL SUPERMAN |
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 27, 2013 20:12:37 GMT -5
Spazer is pretty slick huh? When mine showed up it was much better than I expected.. real sleek lines, great profile..
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Post by greengetterguy on Nov 27, 2013 20:28:02 GMT -5
With all my heart, HLPro I,m grateful for the figure. Thank you! thank you!.
Please continue to produce these awesome obscure characters and bad guys in metaltech line.
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Post by B- on Nov 27, 2013 22:06:53 GMT -5
Very well put Getter Shadow!GreenGetterGuy i agree wholeheartedly! BYW Tom actually I only think MP being involved with CMs Grendizer was a rumour,there is no real proof behind that rumour I know of.
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 28, 2013 6:21:22 GMT -5
Well said, Kaeruze! You said it all right. That's what I meant by saying the stretchy figures is an European style. It is the way of their art not a racism speech. For God's sake, let us think before we talk. |
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 28, 2013 6:31:59 GMT -5
"Superman" is "Superman", just because it doesn't have Christopher Reeves face on a figure does not mean that the character is not Superman... Its STILL SUPERMAN! ha ha This has to be the best analogy I've read anywhere regarding fictional character figures. I will always keep this in mind from now on, seriously. Thanks! }D Oh, yes Superman is still Superman without Reeves' face but when it comes to drawing and sculpts, there is a beautiful-created Superman face & an ugly-created Superman face. We are not creating humans here...We are creating art. Now, I am sure some genius philosopher will say "beauty & ugliness is a matter of taste", ok, I agree but not always, as many like the taste of candies and some like the taste of kaka (probably, their own kaka)! There are standards to everything, otherwise there will be chaos. |
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Post by chogokinabdul on Nov 28, 2013 10:35:45 GMT -5
This has to be the best analogy I've read anywhere regarding fictional character figures. I will always keep this in mind from now on, seriously. Thanks! }D Oh, yes Superman is still Superman without Reeves' face but when it comes to drawing and sculpts, there is a beautiful-created Superman face & an ugly-created Superman face. We are not creating humans here...We are creating art. Now, I am sure some genius philosopher will say "beauty & ugliness is a matter of taste", ok, I agree but not always, as many like the taste of candies and some like the taste of kaka (probably, their own kaka)! There are standards to everything, otherwise there will be chaos. Now this is kinda strange! I thought that damage 7 love HL pro and their mt01 ! I comment on it's propirtions a lot but that is me |
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 28, 2013 11:20:08 GMT -5
Ok I got a long message from HL last night.. it was a complicated message and I am just waking up getting ready for Thanksgiving. The whole house is filled with food and cooking female relatives, you American members know how that is..
The 9in Vinyl Gattiger was mostly made within the confines of the molding technology. Its an original Gattiger design that is not anime and its not manga.. its just "Gattiger".. The idea was just to have a fun, cool looking Gattiger figure.
The Metaltech Gattiger is being based on the anime but that is very tricky to do. There are only a few frames of him in the OVA to go on. They are trying to stay as close to the source material as possible and still have a figure that has articulation and detail that a metaltech figure needs. The team that is designing him is actually trying to stay away from being influenced too much by drawings done by artists that came later with their own interpretations and they are staying away from the custom figures bc they have moved too far away from the original OVA drawings over time.
To Baron: that looks cool but what you are suggesting is basically the Energer based custom, and that custom has many differences from the OVA drawings. One of the main differences is the limbs and the shoulders.. the OVA clearly shows nearly straight limbs and no round shoulder joints.. the custom has round shoulder joints and very "Bandai Mazinger" type legs.. we want to stay a little bit closer to the way he was drawn in the 1970s but still have a figure that can be articulated. So, we want to go with a straighter leg and special shoulder joints that give the look of the OVA but still have a normal range of motion.
Then he went on to say that he and the team are listening to the reactions to the prototype and taking suggestions and discussing them among each other. Some features on the figure are subject to change, one thing he mentioned is that they are looking into another way to do those shoulders that give the look they need and still give articulation. He also said things that the head width COULD change but that they also think the wide-head look came more from the influence of the Custom figure and the fact that in the OVA Gattiger was drawn from an angle that usually cased Japanese artists to widen the figure to provide the prospective you get when you "look up" at a character.. they don't think the head is actually as wide as it was drawn... but they seem open to a slightly wider head.
as I said before guys, I saw more detailed photos of the hands...they match and they look perfect.. similar to the hands on Gin Gin but the fingers in a different pose... all based on the same 3D model made for Gattiger so the hands are not a problem.
So, guys its still a prototype and the team has been watching in on us.. they have a lot of time to get the figure right. Also, based on what was said, the team knows "who is who" on RJ because that whole team "lurks" here.. they know who likes what and how that effects what a member thinks of a figure ..My words not theirs, just based on my observations..
So, they are trying to pull together a bunch of different factors into one figure, OVA looks, mechanics that work and Metaltech "stamp" all in one figure that most guys will like to look at.. its a tough job but Im pretty sure that they will get it done real well.
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Post by greengetterguy on Nov 28, 2013 11:45:05 GMT -5
Yes!
Thanks for the update GS. And a happy thanksgiving.
I knew they lurked. Why wouldn't,t they?
This is a great place for a honest feed back.
Bros let's stay constructive and just be civilize. I know we,re passionate bunch, but Being positive and polite goes a long way.
If not for HLPro who else would produce gattaiger let alone diecast one.... Let,s be thankful for that.
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Post by Ross McCollector on Nov 28, 2013 12:54:33 GMT -5
Of course they lurk in here, but since it's been confirmed, here are my 2 cents...personally I would buy Gattiger if and only if the face and proportions would change AND if the price is not over $150. The reason I'm saying that is because I don't have an emotional attachment to this robot unlike Grendizer's universe (even though Gattiger is related to Grendizer's universe), so in order for me to spend my money on it then it has to have that wow factor. I always support and buy HLPRO products cause they are the only company that focus on Grendizer, and I hope they keep that focus on. Looks, quality, and price never were a factor to me before when dealing with HLPRO, otherwise I would never have bought any of their products...but to be fair they have the best replacement policy when it comes to defects (I still agree with Damage7 about their attitude though). You guys can call me "Robotist" or selfish all you want, but I just want my Grendizer figures...oh and Happy Thanksgiving to you all  |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 28, 2013 13:10:03 GMT -5
My only serious gripe about the current prototype is the shoulders. They remind me of the 1990's action figures, with those simple and cheap looking shoulders. They just look awful, and that is the truth. Gattaiger's design is basically the same simple design Mazinger Z and Getter Robot had. The shoulders need to be the same way, basically a sphere attached to the torso. Those shoulders were never meant to be huge, like Bandai likes to make them. But they need to be spheres. Otherwise it looks does pretty bad.
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Post by Gettershadow on Nov 28, 2013 13:20:17 GMT -5
My only serious gripe about the current prototype is the shoulders. They remind me of the 1990's action figures, with those simple and cheap looking shoulders. They just look awful, and that is the truth. Gattaiger's design is basically the same simple design Mazinger Z and Getter Robot had. The shoulders need to be the same way, basically a sphere attached to the torso. Those shoulders were never meant to be huge, like Bandai likes to make them. But they need to be spheres. Otherwise it looks does pretty bad. }D I agree.. I have mixed feelings about them too at this point and I suggested the exact same thing.. 100% agreement.. unless they come up with something that isnt a sphere that looks even better than a sphere.. but looking at them as they are right now I think they were kind of unnecessary , the right sized sphere would do the same job and prevent controversy .... totally agree with you Now if you look at photos with the figure with the arms at his sides he looks good from the photos .. front view and back view it looks pretty good.. Similar to the angle on the sphere to bicep as the Great Mazinger Jumbo Machinder... but when the arms lift out into a "T" postion, the shoulder seems to deform a little bit..at least in the photos that we have. Maybe it looks better in person but I think a traditional sphere shoulder like on the MT01 would be safer to use.. maybe a different diameter sphere to fit the character but the same type of shoulder as the MT01 |
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