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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 19:45:09 GMT -5
Because some items like the anime Giru Giru were sold factory direct, the normal releases are sold though distributors or retail stores.. if the retailer wants to the pre-orders he can. What more can I say? How can HLpro pre-order something for you when its not in their stock? Its in the retailer's or distributors stock... the robots go from the factories in china directly to the distributors, HLpro never has possession of them. Now in case of the "factory direct" releases, they go from the factory in China to the HL office in Japan.. then they sell them to you. So its two different supply chains.. All I know is all the big companies are available at retailers except HLPro they must be moving a micro sized scale then,because no one carries HLPro ,must be.Because if they carried it they would have it for preorder why isnt HLPro doing something about getting their product out there to retailers,dont they choose their distributors and know where the stuff is going?With all their marketing prowess youd think they would know whos shelves the product would end upjust for numbers alone sake.oh I forgot all thepreorders are in ITALY DAMMIT! Again as I said they must not care about the US since only 2 stores ,actually one store and a house carry HLPro.,oha nd your local comic shop.Im surprised MR.Entrepenour isnt talking preorders at PBM en masse,isnt he a money making mogul? |
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Post by Gettershadow on Jul 25, 2014 19:54:11 GMT -5
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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 19:56:54 GMT -5
YOUR JOKING RIGHT? Those are in ITALY!! Didnt you read our posts? We are talking US SELLERS,I stated tons of Italian stores have preorders who cares.Again HLPro doesnt give a crap about US collectors,they are in it for the money only not the customers looks like all WE DO IS HELP THEM with there off designs and get thestuff right with great suggestions,least they could do is get us some sellers. |
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Post by Gettershadow on Jul 25, 2014 19:58:13 GMT -5
YOUR JOKING RIGHT? Those are in ITALY!! Didnt you read our posts? We are talking US SELLERS,I stated tons of Italian stores have preorders who cares. PBM USA proposed them to US stores and they were not interested.. they didn't know what a Gattiger was. |
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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 19:59:27 GMT -5
YOUR JOKING RIGHT? Those are in ITALY!! Didnt you read our posts? We are talking US SELLERS,I stated tons of Italian stores have preorders who cares. PBM USA proposed them to US stores and they were not interested.. they didn't know what a Gattiger was. Tom its not just about Gattaiger HLPro didnt start selling product with Gattaiger. |
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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 20:00:11 GMT -5
all WE DO IS HELP THEM with there off designs and get thestuff right with great suggestions,least they could do is get us some sellers.Even if its just for RJ!
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Post by Gettershadow on Jul 25, 2014 20:01:59 GMT -5
One of those stores is France by the way... Dude, the US Demand is TINY like a hundred figures a year.. the stores aren't interested. Even Grendizer, they don't know what that is.. when it comes to US sales I would say that ebay does most of the selling.
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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 20:02:48 GMT -5
YOUR JOKING RIGHT? Those are in ITALY!! Didnt you read our posts? We are talking US SELLERS,I stated tons of Italian stores have preorders who cares. PBM USA proposed them to US stores and they were not interested.. they didn't know what a Gattiger was. Really did Entertainment earth know what a GinGin or a GiruGiru was? but they seem to sell both,I bet PBM worked real hard on getting US stores. |
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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 20:04:16 GMT -5
One of those stores is France by the way... Dude, the US Demand is TINY like a hundred figures a year.. the stores aren't interested. Even Grendizer, they don't know what that is.. when it comes to US sales I would say that ebay does most of the selling. Okay what about Japan stores then? I dont even buy from US sellers really Im speaking for others here,where are all teh Japan stores?Dont tell me they dont know Grendizer,WHY we are all wondering doesnt AmiAmi or AE carry HLPro? |
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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 20:05:30 GMT -5
One of those stores is France by the way... Dude, the US Demand is TINY like a hundred figures a year.. the stores aren't interested. Even Grendizer, they don't know what that is.. when it comes to US sales I would say that ebay does most of the selling. Oh France thats way better...  |
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Post by Gettershadow on Jul 25, 2014 20:06:06 GMT -5
yeah.. they bought some and still haven't sold them off.. there is very very little demand in the US, the main market is Europe, Far East and Middle East. If you are a US seller, ebay would be the way to go... brick and mortar is dead for this kind of product, they wont touch it.
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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 20:08:24 GMT -5
This is tiring HLPro need to get there stuff out in Japan and not with some tiny site no one has ever bought from,If its gonna be bending over backward to get their stuff Im not buying from them after Gattaiger.If they cant get their marketing right Im out.I dont have time to chase these toys all over Amazon or Ebay,shouldnt have to.
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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 20:09:18 GMT -5
yeah.. they bought some and still haven't sold them off.. there is very very little demand in the US, the main market is Europe, Far East and Middle East. If you are a US seller, ebay would be the way to go... brick and mortar is dead for this kind of product, they wont touch it. Who japan stores? |
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Post by Gettershadow on Jul 25, 2014 20:11:32 GMT -5
Japan has just started to open up to MT line their was a demand but they could not access it until a few weeks back .. I gave the site for that one. Some more stores are going to sign on after the Wonder Festival
if you have any problems finding sellers to place pre-orders you can contact HLPro directly by email or facebook.. thank you
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Post by B- on Jul 25, 2014 20:15:19 GMT -5
Japan has just started to open up to MT line their was a demand but they could not access it until a few weeks back .. I gave the site for that one. Some more stores are going to sign on after the Wonder Festival Yeah that was the site I was referring to,at least they are starting to go in the right direction,if they want to be a big robot company who sells Japanese themed robots,I guess youd be savvy enough to sell them in Japan stores LOL> |
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Post by Gettershadow on Jul 25, 2014 20:30:45 GMT -5
HLpro just showed me the numbers.. Japan is only 5% of the Grendizer market right now. France Italy Spain and the Middle east are nearly 95%.. the USA makes up a tiny fraction compared to the rest of the market.. they are happy to enter the Japanese market but they actually don't know how much or how little money they will make there. Then he said Mazinger Z is almost the opposite in the ratios.. each character has to be "targeted" to the prospective market, like the Golden Condor will pretty much only sell in France but it will sell, they will make money on that one.
As for the US market, it is impossible to push these products on the sellers.. the US sellers are mostly interested in Super Heroes, Star Trek and Star Wars.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 25, 2014 22:57:22 GMT -5
Again, it would not hurt HLPro's money intake if they "pre-sold" from their store, like with Giru-Giru. Production pieces can still go from factory to retailers, but just like those retailers, HLPro would also get the set amount they "pre-sold", just like a retailer. But this must be way too difficult to do - I guess.  }| |
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Post by Gettershadow on Jul 26, 2014 11:55:55 GMT -5
This goes back to the future "factory direct" idea.. if HLPRO sells some of them Pre-order in factory direct mode, distributors will be more reluctant to buy them because they will see the situation as "the manufacturer stealing all the sales"... the Distributors and retailers see it like "why should be buy them and be stuck with them while you sit back and make all the sales?"... whenever HLPRO sold anything factory direct it was an exclusive version of a product that the Distributors did not have in stock so there was no competition.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 26, 2014 15:13:14 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense. For example, Matty sells from their site AND to stores, like BBTS. BBTS doesn't stop buying from Matty because the also sell the same figures. But, if that is what HLPro fears, they can sell the same figures BUT add a bonus item to them - like a little poster or something cheap like that. It will then become an exclusive that cannot be found anywhere else. Hell, they can even just "number" their stock, AND/OR have the boxes authographed by the figure's sculptor - like Fewture did with their original Black Getter. Just throwing ideas out there... because I would love to buy direct from HLPro again!  }D |
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Post by Gettershadow on Jul 26, 2014 16:33:12 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense. For example, Matty sells from their site AND to stores, like BBTS. BBTS doesn't stop buying from Matty because the also sell the same figures. But, if that is what HLPro fears, they can sell the same figures BUT add a bonus item to them - like a little poster or something cheap like that. It will then become an exclusive that cannot be found anywhere else. Hell, they can even just "number" their stock, AND/OR have the boxes authographed by the figure's sculptor - like Fewture did with their original Black Getter. Just throwing ideas out there... because I would love to buy direct from HLPro again! }D It all goes back to that oldschool sales model.. all these salesmen (distributors) who are buying stock in large quantities then they have to keep from stepping on each others territory. See if Hlpro were to add a bonus to their normal items, everyone would buy from HLpro and you wouldn't get large orders from other vendors bc they would not be able to compete with factory direct relases. Why buy 1,000 units all at once if you cant sell them, because the factory offers an even better deal? You would have just ended up buying 1,000 units WITHOUT THE BONUS item... you would be the last guy able to sell it. This is why eventually, all sales will be factory direct if possible. HL will only offer a factory direct product if it does not threaten its biggest customers, the DISTRIBUTORS.. so for now HL is only going to sell factory direct models that are totally different color options so it does not directly compete with what the distributors have purchased. But as I have stated before, a lot of the distributors are not doing as well as they have in the past and most companies have a factory direct emergency plan in case the distributors want to "cash out" of the robot scene/ |
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