Matrix A.P.U vs Avatar AMP

[southpawdragon]

As far as Hollywood produced big budget single pilot personal mecha these two are at the forefront. So forget about Robot Jox and Star Wars AT-AT are too big. And I'm only counting the ones with leg and arms, pibedal. and the robots in starship troopers 3 marauders are too low budget. And the one in Aliens is not a military mech.

What i'm trying to point out is the best of what hollywood can do and so far these are it.

Matrix A.P.U (Armored Personnel Unit)






vs
Avatar AMP (Amplified Mobility Platform)

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i chose to leave out District 9 's



because in the movie it was by it lonesome self. and his weapons are just too powerful and otherworldy compared to as close as we can get mechas
and Iron Man is too superheroic proportions not everyday grunts marine etc.

I also chose to leave out GIJOE accelerator suit since its more of a suit then a mech you have to ride and control and they only featured two in the movie

[coldiron]

I vote for the AMP suit for one reason. They at least tried to semi protect their pilot. You could take out the APU pilot with a dart gun. Other than the feet, the amp suit is not a horrible design. It seems most people who like to design biped robots do not have a real understanding of what feet designs would be realistic in actual walking.

[southpawdragon]

I too went with the AMP sure it may have only one gun but I bet it could easily just grab another gun or run around in circles the APU. Which I remember the APU not being fast as it was trying to lock a door or something.

And if we were to include their toy version AMP all the way. The Mcfarlane APU joints disintegrated on its own without even being played within 24 hrs.

[coldiron]

For the toy, the APU looks so much better than the AMP, but yeah the joints were crap. I think someone could make a decent amp suit. I think it would need to be a larger scale, with some realistic looking joints. I do not like any of the Avatar toys so far. Its sad that the district 9 mecha was never made as a toy.

[lurkerx]

As far as design the AMP wins hands down, its cockpit design really work looking somewhat like the Apache's. It also looks as though it was built for more than just holding 2 big guns like the APU, hand to hand combat (punching/slashing etc. ) may be plausible with the AMP

[Ben-Ohki]

I voted for the AMP suit because of the one thing that bugged me about the APU is the same thing that bugged me about the Power Loader from Aliens: if something goes wrong - the pilot is toast! And don't tell me the Power Loader wasn't built for combat... that's true but it's still meant for dangerous tasks... the thing had an exposed welding torch right in the pilot's face! And it was built to handle warheads! I mean come on, operating one was suicide.

The APU is exactly the same - except it IS built for combat. It can't do anything else because it has machine guns for arms. What else are you going to do with a machine like that except combat?

The AMP suit however make a lot of sense. It has a canopy for the pilot. And it even has manipulators so it can drop the guns and carry other stuff. It's just an all-around better functional concept.

[TheMazingerZ]

Protection, protection, protection... my vote goes to the AMP suit (althou I'll take the Ironman Armor any day)!

}D

[quinjester]

The one thing I DON'T like about the AMP suit is that it looks like it's practically made to be a toy, with its big oversized cockpit with full sized canopy. It looked off to me since the first time I saw it in the early trailers. Sure, the Matrix APU is a gun-handed no-protection walker, but it has that heavy industrial look that makes it look a little more realistic to me, even though it's little more than a glorified mobile turret.

[coldiron]

While the APU does have an industrial look, it does not make any sense to use hydrolics to move the joints on a machine to aim the its guns. Hydrolics are what are currently used for controlling the bucket on the back of a digging machine, or on the front of a loader. Hydrolics are not too accurate much of the time. The thing the AMP has is servos hidden in the joints. That would make it an all electric bot, where much of the time the energy to power the hydrolics comes from the vehicles engine. So if that means there is a battery tech that exists to run one of these for several hours, it would be a good idea to keep it all electric. It also gives it much better, finer movement. There is a chance the amp is gas powered. They can use the engine as a generator much like is done on trains to make the motors functional.

On the note of a large cockpit on the AMP, I agree it does not look great, but seeing that the pilot needs room to move their arms, since it is operated on their movements, I guess that would be the reason behind it. Military vehicles tend to be cramped, so it is strange to see so much room in one. I think it would make a lot more sense to give these guys a pilots helmet though. They need a gas mask, you can rely on the seals of the cock pit and the strength of the glass to protect the pilot, and they can incorporate a HUD into the helmet like today's fighter pilots. I guess if they did that though you can not get the emotion of the actor.

[magengar]

I voted for the Avatar AMP suit: PROTECTION all the friggin way.
If an enemy mech were to stab through the cockpit glass, at least
I just Might have a better chance of dodging the stabbing projectile
by just a few inches (as long as the enemy mech doesn't STIR the
blade or projectile all crazy around inside my cockpit)... barely enough time to
react, but with training I'd know how to counter-attack in such a situation.

The Avatar AMP suit would also protect me from the elements, as that could
distract me from performing my duties inside the cockpit during times
of self-defense. The last thing I'd do is hit the eject button and land
in your livingroom. ;D

I'd feel safer piloting this suit than the old tired Has-Been Matrix
"Walk-in Closet Without Walls" suit, which looks too wide-open
and vulnerable, and it won't protect me from small arms fire even
if I do get to throw eggs at enemy troops.

zozo-Magengar