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Post by kencoesta on Feb 12, 2010 17:15:46 GMT -5
Think I'm gonna try sketching and inking on paper, then pull it into the 'puter.
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Post by DEROB on Feb 13, 2010 1:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by magengar on Feb 13, 2010 10:47:21 GMT -5
Nice! Hey, those 'crappy' ink lines: which ones are you refering to- The black ones up front? Or, the soft grey ones in the background? In either case, save that pic... you may still be able to do stuff with those lines, like some background effects and special highlights around the robot to make it stand out. Save that pic as its own version, in case you start another version drawing of the same idea. This way you'll have both options to work with. zozo-Magengar Great Tips, Xiombarg! magengar - Yeah, the psd was in 300dpi. Thanks for the critique - I decided to envision him kinda busted up (to justify the crappy ink lines!) ^_^; *Practice Practice Practice* |
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Post by magengar on Feb 13, 2010 10:58:11 GMT -5
That's an option as well. Those robot pen/paper drawings which I've done in the other thread... I scanned my originals and saved them as jpegs into large standard jpeg sizes (2144 x 2550 at 300dpi) and I plan to work on them in my photo editor later on down the road; I'll try to give them a nice "digitized" look. The advantage of a paper drawing is that it gives you a head-start, since it has the appearance of how you want it to look- -then all you have to do is touch it up to add stuff or to enhance the image with what's already there, or take it to the next level. The possibilities are endless.  zozo-Magengar Think I'm gonna try sketching and inking on paper, then pull it into the 'puter. |
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Post by magengar on Feb 13, 2010 11:01:17 GMT -5
Cool! Yeah, Gotta have them scrollers- they'll make the work feel more easier than mousing around on the image to find areas to work on and then the next and so forth. Thanks for the link, I'll read more about Those two tabs later.  zozo-Magengar |
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Post by kencoesta on Feb 13, 2010 23:36:43 GMT -5
Nice! Hey, those 'crappy' ink lines: which ones are you refering to- The black ones up front? Yeah, the black outlines. They aren't thick enough for my tastes, and not tapered on the ends. |
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Post by Kidchuckle on Feb 14, 2010 0:11:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure if you can emulate thick to thin settings with amouse.. more trouble then its worth. If not using a tablet. Just do it the old school way. I recommend going to a art store and pickup a pen brush (it's basically a rubber tipped pen.. but the tip is long and soft rubber the emulates a brush  takes some practice.. but it has a reallynice quality to it. I kind of miss it. But I find wacom much easier to deal with.. as far as being clean. Once you finished inking.. scan it in. In photoshop.. in the layer blend mode.. switch it from normal to "mutiply" andit will change anything white.. into transparent. Then you canmake new layers.. andcolour under neath the line work (like you would in traditional animation when painting on a cel.. sort of). |
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Post by krimpov on Feb 14, 2010 10:00:27 GMT -5
Not %100 sure, but I think you can use the mouse wheel to change the brush size in Photoshop. Maybe you can do a thick-to-thin line with that. I say "maybe", because I haven't tried it myself. There's a possibility that Photoshop won't let you change the brush size mid-stroke. Not sure how smooth it would look, either, if it does work.
If you want to do this all-digital with no tablet, you'd probably be better off using the good old eraser to sculpt your lines to your liking. Just draw the line with a brush the size of its thickest point, and then slim it down with the eraser until you get the desired shape. "Low-tech", but it works and it's not as time-consuming as it may sound. I still do that even with my tablet, when my lines are not exactly how I want them.
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Post by Kidchuckle on Feb 14, 2010 12:30:47 GMT -5
I was just thinking about other coloring techniques that I know people use mouse to colour.
There's the "cuts technique" which they use for comics.. lasso tool+ gradient tool
this guy. Uses a simular way of doing it.. but he's using the brush tool. But you can do a simular thing with the lasso tool.. and the gradients tool (solid colour to transparent)
Another technique you could also try is... to do all your tone shading in black and white and then add colour ontop of it.
arni granov used to have his colour techniq on his website.. no longer there.
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Post by magengar on Feb 14, 2010 13:37:36 GMT -5
Now THAT's the kind of pen I need for my paper drawings! I've always started my lines with a pencil very lightly, and then I'd trace over them with a ballpoint pen Exactly where the lines run. But my problem with ballpoint pens is that they sometimes leak a little TOO much ink in any one spot if I stop the line, and they smudge too easy. Yuck! These pens here, do they bleed across the surface of the paper? Do they also bleed through the paper? (the quality of the paper also is an important factor). Given that these are rubber-tipped, I'd like them for drawing very tight lines. Great find, bro! Working with the artwork, and scanning in as layers to your PS program is also a good way to edit and deal with those background lines. Like Krimprov said, using the eraser to sculpt the lines will make a big difference in how defined you want yer lines to look. zozo-Magengar I'm not sure if you can emulate thick to thin settings with amouse.. more trouble then its worth. If not using a tablet. Just do it the old school way. I recommend going to a art store and pickup a pen brush (it's basically a rubber tipped pen.. but the tip is long and soft rubber the emulates a brush takes some practice.. but it has a reallynice quality to it. I kind of miss it. But I find wacom much easier to deal with.. as far as being clean. Once you finished inking.. scan it in. In photoshop.. in the layer blend mode.. switch it from normal to "mutiply" andit will change anything white.. into transparent. Then you canmake new layers.. andcolour under neath the line work (like you would in traditional animation when painting on a cel.. sort of). |
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Post by kencoesta on Feb 15, 2010 9:50:54 GMT -5
Not %100 sure, but I think you can use the mouse wheel to change the brush size in Photoshop. Maybe you can do a thick-to-thin line with that. I say "maybe", because I haven't tried it myself. There's a possibility that Photoshop won't let you change the brush size mid-stroke. Not sure how smooth it would look, either, if it does work. If you want to do this all-digital with no tablet, you'd probably be better off using the good old eraser to sculpt your lines to your liking. Just draw the line with a brush the size of its thickest point, and then slim it down with the eraser until you get the desired shape. "Low-tech", but it works and it's not as time-consuming as it may sound. I still do that even with my tablet, when my lines are not exactly how I want them. Nah, the mouse wheel didn't work on mine. The eraser/sculpting thing might do it. Kidchuckle - Thanks, I might pick some of those up too! |
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Post by krimpov on Feb 15, 2010 11:19:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I just tried it on CS4 and it doesn't work. You can't even change the brush size with the mouse wheel between strokes. Couldn't find an option to set a function to the mouse wheel either. But I'm quite sure I used to do that before I got my tablet. Weird. Maybe I used a script. I don't remember.
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Post by Kidchuckle on Feb 15, 2010 19:20:14 GMT -5
no worries. Those brushes are awesome. I would recommend getting 3 at a time
when a brush starts to die.. you may find it will "frill" or do some feathering .. kind of nice if you want some some nice textures. You can use the old ones as emergency brushes too.. (manually dip in ink).
I used to do that back in school.. in the dead of nite when I found too late to get new ones.
They also have refillable kind. But I've never used those before. If they're anything like Staedler tech pens refillables.. you need to constantly clean them.
I wish Wacom had a tablet pen that kind of replicate that feel those rubber brush pens had.. you could feel this nice bounce and pressure.. and there's certain things you can't replicate with a tablet.
Unless you get one of these special tablets.. that also tracks "rotation"
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Post by kencoesta on Feb 17, 2010 15:10:07 GMT -5
DING! I found a old WACOM in one of my partner's (business) storage boxes! Problem is, it's a WACOM "Pen Partner" - really old looking. It's gray and beige with a sea-foam green cord. Ummm... it's got some funky ends on this cord. Lessee... a serial connector, a ps2 connector, and a umm... huh - no clue. Oh, and no pen or installation disc. Dude says it's about 10yrs old. Who wants to bet me Wacom doesn't support this thing anymore? ^_^;
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Post by magengar on Feb 17, 2010 15:17:53 GMT -5
Hey, perhaps you might still be able to find drivers for it, just do a search for drivers/accessories for That particular model... ...you could get Lucky! zozo-Magengar |
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Post by kencoesta on Feb 17, 2010 15:30:58 GMT -5
That'll be one step closer! Now I need a serial-to-usb adaptor, and a WACOM pen.
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Post by magengar on Feb 17, 2010 16:47:02 GMT -5
Search for those, as well... they've gotta be available online at a shop somewhere locally, or perhaps the manufacturer might have them as accessories or replacements (the Wacom pen). Try HERE first... www.drawittablet.com/pensor HERE... www.wacom-components.com/english/product/pen.htmlAs for Serial-to-USB adapters: Check HERE first... www.usb-serial-adapter.com/index.htmlOtherwise, any local shop that sells refurbished/used computers, peripherals, and parts/hardware might have some stashed away in stock somewhere. If not, then check your area CompUSA or similar-type big-box computer store in your area; or at www.newegg.comHope these help. zozo-Magengar That'll be one step closer! Now I need a serial-to-usb adaptor, and a WACOM pen. |
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Post by kencoesta on Feb 17, 2010 16:57:27 GMT -5
Thanks, dude.
I'll check it out!
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Post by mannix143 on Feb 19, 2010 5:42:56 GMT -5
or you could try calling wacom, thats what i did when i bought a very old wacom before. they sent the driver on my email.
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Post by magengar on Feb 19, 2010 11:34:02 GMT -5
Thank Gaia for those "1-800" numbers! ;D
zozo-Magenger
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