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Post by s5tiiowner on Aug 16, 2010 23:04:58 GMT -5
Hey guys,
Anyone else think it is odd that only 2 MS from 0080 were made into MG (NT-1 and Kampfer)?
I would love a Z'gok E and a Hygogg MG 1/100.
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Post by redalert on Aug 17, 2010 5:29:11 GMT -5
Maybe because there aren't any aother memorable mobile suits from that series.I don't recall those you are refering to.Besides Kampfer and Alex i remember only a damaged zaku and some GMs. Then again it's been a long time since i saw it so i might be wrong  |
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Post by quinjester on Aug 17, 2010 6:57:11 GMT -5
0080 has some fantastic MS designs, like the GM Sniper II, the Zaku II Kai, the Z'Gok-E... I don't know why none of them have ever been realized in MG kit form - Maybe 0080 isn't as well loved as some of the other series', I dunno.
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Post by Ben-Ohki on Aug 17, 2010 10:19:27 GMT -5
It's unfortunate, yes... But the thing is, there were very few new designs unique to that title... other than Kampher and NT-1, everything else was either a rework of another series or showed up again later (08th MS Team had a huge selection of releases of such 0079UC era MS; including a GM sniper!).
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Post by Qball99 on Aug 19, 2010 17:08:11 GMT -5
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Post by quinjester on Aug 19, 2010 18:15:58 GMT -5
Z'Gok E:  Both the Z'Gok E and Hygog get my vote as most awesome looking amphibious mobile suits in Gundam |
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Post by s5tiiowner on Aug 20, 2010 21:50:50 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has made a resin kit to convert z'gok to z'gok-e. It seems like it wouldnt be too difficult as kits go.
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Post by quinjester on Aug 20, 2010 22:37:25 GMT -5
Well, in reality you'd have to change almost everything. Even though the parts are similar, every single piece is different between the E and the standard Z'Gok, from the design of the segmented arms and legs to the shape of the body.
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Post by chogokinsnake on Aug 21, 2010 1:29:10 GMT -5
I like 0080, and Hygogg is an awesome design. I hope they will make a MG kit out of it.
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Post by gmars on Aug 22, 2010 13:36:44 GMT -5
I get the idea that 0080 never was meant hit in terms of kits ... The same goes with most of the U.C. timeline series. Bandai keeps releasing RX-78-2 (even Zaku has been less focused nowadays) in every version and size possible, but other than this robo ... not much else really from U.C. time.
Bandai come up the concept that even the bad guys have a "gundam" look with Gundam Wing ... because now they can make hit seller good as the bad guys. The explosion of kits really came with this ... which you can see from the M.G. kits ...
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Post by newtype78 on Aug 24, 2010 20:30:25 GMT -5
It's unfortunate, yes... But the thing is, there were very few new designs unique to that title... other than Kampher and NT-1, everything else was either a rework of another series or showed up again later (08th MS Team had a huge selection of releases of such 0079UC era MS; including a GM sniper!). I agree with Ben-Ohki completely. 0080 was less about the action and more about plot so the two main MS designs(Alex and Kampfer) stand out to me while the others, which are cool enough and all, were existing or modified existing MS designs from UC. Both the Alex and Kampfer are MS designs I really like so I hope we see version 2.0 MG kits of those two in the foreseeable future. |
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Post by quinjester on Aug 24, 2010 21:48:19 GMT -5
It's kind of interesting that you say the Kaempfer was one of the two main MS designs, seeing as it was in the show for probably a minute and a half total, and wasn't actually piloted by the main character. A testament to how awesome the design is, to be sure, but really it's no more significant in terms of 0080 than the Hygog or Z'gok E.
I see the Zaku II Kai as the "quintessential" Zeon mech from 0080. It was present in multiple scenarios, and it probably got the most screentime out of any of the other zeon mecha, while being the unit the main character piloted.
... come to think of it, is 0080 the only Gundam show where one of the primary characters piloted a totally bog standard, mass produced mech as opposed to a special prototype or advanced unit of some type?
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Post by newtype78 on Aug 24, 2010 22:25:24 GMT -5
I think the Kampfer left such a strong impression on me that I consider it a main MS design over the Zaku II Kai that Bernie piloted. To me, the Kampfer had just as much a role in the plot as the Zaku II Kai because of the following reasons:
1) It was brought in specifically as the weapon to destroy the Alex.
2) Even though it wasn't piloted by Bernie and didn't have a lot of active action screen time(we did see bits of it during its construction process), it was instrumental for the main action segment of the movie when the Cyclops Team executed its plan to try to destroy/capture the Alex.
To me, the Zaku II Kai's grand role in 0080 was to help reinforce a sense of realism in the story by demonstrating how it takes more than a super weapon(the Alex) to win a battle. Bernie was forced to use unconventional tactics when planning to confront the Alex during the climatic sequence of the OVA. The Zaku II was no match against an advanced MS (the Alex) if Bernie chose to fight head to head. Bernie's use of strategy allowed him to nearly defeat Chris in the Alex. Even though she was piloting a more advanced machine, Chris' inexperience gave Bernie a chance to even the odds.
It's a clumsy way to explain it but the Kampfer, to me, was simply a cool looking plot device, whereas the Zaku II Kai served a much more subtle role for the narrative. I think that's why I consider the former a main MS design for 0080 rather than the latter. That's part of the brilliance of 0080 to me as it doesn't fall into the familiar trend of having a main protagonist/antagonist come into the possession of an all powerful plot device.
I haven't watched all the Gundam shows produced to this point but I don't know of any other Gundam show where a main character like Bernie only pilots a mass production unit. Very interesting, I didn't think of that until you asked the question!
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Post by coldiron on Aug 24, 2010 22:40:53 GMT -5
I never Saw 0080 except for the one scene with Kampfer. I just happened to turn it on at that time, and turned it off shortly after. I had been a huge fan of Kampfer before I had ever seen any Gundam shows actually. The machine was very close to my own designs at the time and it resonated with me. It was only until a couple years ago I found out it was a bad guy. I have had the kit sitting in a box for several years now. I really need to get to building it.
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Post by jessedart on Aug 30, 2010 8:38:24 GMT -5
It's unfortunate, yes... But the thing is, there were very few new designs unique to that title... other than Kampher and NT-1, everything else was either a rework of another series or showed up again later (08th MS Team had a huge selection of releases of such 0079UC era MS; including a GM sniper!). I agree with Ben-Ohki completely. 0080 was less about the action and more about plot Exactly. There just weren't that many "Hero" suits in 0080 that were likely to sell. The cost of developing new molds for the kits means a LOT have to sell to make it worthwhile. To give you an idea of the cost involved: development cost of the 2007 Space Battleship Yamato kit was over one billion yen, and the molds were around 700 million yen. www.starblazers.com/html.php?page_id=165I imagine Bandai looks at the sales of its smaller kits of a subject, and if they are strong enough, THEN it considers making a MG of the same subject. They sell a TON of RX 78s, Zakus, Strikes, etc. in the 1/144 scale, so they can invest in the MG versions with a high level of confidence. |
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Post by s5tiiowner on Aug 31, 2010 23:45:06 GMT -5
That sucks... Guess Im never going to see a MG Zudah either * sigh *.
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Post by newtype78 on Sept 1, 2010 9:12:57 GMT -5
The Zudah getting into the MG line is a possibility but something we may not see for a good long while. There are only so many MG kits that Bandai will make each year and only the more popular designs will get MG representation first. I think it's more likely we'll see a conversion kit for converting an existing MG to the Zudah before we get an official Bandai MG Zudah kit.
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