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Aug 12, 2011 17:19:37 GMT -5
Post by rayar on Aug 12, 2011 17:19:37 GMT -5
It looks like SOC started out more like strictly collectors items and start to seem more toy like with Daltanius and Godsigma. And I don't think I would ever be able to justify collecting super robots to anyone. It's just personal gratification, a total waste of time and money. Just like spending money on concerts, tickets to ball games, or just about any other non productive hobby of just collecting. Funny thing is I never had any real toys as a child except for Lego's, and sometimes built model kits. Somehow I found everything else to be childish even at a young age. Now at age 39 I have two dedicated rooms for all my robots and live steam locomotives.
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Aug 12, 2011 18:17:35 GMT -5
Post by supergetterv on Aug 12, 2011 18:17:35 GMT -5
Not collectibles made for adults, because collectors can be of any age even under the age of six. And not that SOC aren't toys. They are toys, collectible toys. Made with a different purpose, purchased by people that doesn't necessary carry them around in the pant pockets, enjoyed by people that doesn't hold them in their hands while running around with their peers or break them out of the pant pocket at the dinning table during dinner time.
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Aug 12, 2011 18:21:50 GMT -5
Post by TheMazingerZ on Aug 12, 2011 18:21:50 GMT -5
They are action figures... high-end action figures.
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Aug 12, 2011 18:53:03 GMT -5
Post by magengar on Aug 12, 2011 18:53:03 GMT -5
Recommended for ages Me and up. ;D Gawd, I love that line. ;D That TRU Girrafe said, "Let the children come to me, for Theirs is the kingdom of Heaven." LOL, well, in that case, Heaven's my ground-floor. Because if I grew up I'd be lookin up Gawd's kilt... and She don't like when I do that. ;D -------- But, on the real, I mean, I'm lookin at it this way: You have a toy... built for hours of playtime battery and sadistic handling. lol Then you have a collectible "high-end action figure" as TMZ said: Look at the quality and detail of such an item... after all the work put into it (not mentioning the money spent to produce it) I couldn't bear to see it in a child's hands... the fate that awaits it. But we also gotta be fair to the child... many of us started collecting since kidhood and some of us even still have that toy in prestine condition to qualify it as a Collected item that has lasted all this time. That in itself is an amazing feat. From a collectors' perspective, we admire the quality and craftsmanship involved in such specimens that we're willing to go out on the edge to acquire the item at almost any high price for the appreciation of the product. We even discuss it to great lengths as to break it down to the science of its QC aspects and its marketability... That speaks alot about who we are as collectors. Each of us has his/her own reasons for collecting these items, for being in this hobby... it runs deeper than just reminiscing our favorite Japanese tv shows from back in its day or whatever. I'd love to Seriously collect these robot toys as hardcore as most of you folks do. But then if I did, I'd take this hobby too seriously to have fun with it. I even got myself a MickeyD's Happy Meal Papa Smurf figurine a couple weeks ago, because I admire Papa Smurf and I like the Smurf characters enough to have Papa Smurf by my monitor, and I like garden trolls because they look like wizards (which I also like)... their misticism blows me away. These Japanese robot toys have a similar profound affect on me as well. zozo-Mag
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Aug 12, 2011 20:18:08 GMT -5
Post by chachipower on Aug 12, 2011 20:18:08 GMT -5
I look at record collectors in the hardcore scene and wonder, why on earth would you spend $20, $100, $500 on a piece of vinyl that you already have the same music on your iPod. Multuiple copies of said same record, because they are on different color vinyl. hmm like when I went looking for Agnostic Fronts United Blood and the price was ridiculous, then years later their bassist joined my band and I asked him for one and he said he doesnt even have one of his own, he had given all them out over the years and he didnt wanna spend all that money on one..AND HES ON THE RECORD. anyways, I keep my collecting to myself really, Thats why most of my friends dont even know I collect stuff until they come over and get blown away by my display cases. I think its cooler when they get surprised at what I do.
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Aug 12, 2011 23:42:32 GMT -5
Post by magengar on Aug 12, 2011 23:42:32 GMT -5
Chachi, you're right... I think the most fun thing about it is when folks Don't know what your collecting hobby is... ...when they finally see your collection the first thing that happens is they get "flashbacks", as in, "Hey, I used to watch that when I was a kid!" On one hand, some folks may think your hobby is crazy. But, on the other hand, they're really glad to get taken back through Time to their youth. I've always referred to this hobby as the "Fountain Of Youth". Next thing ya know they're talking about it all happy, because that inner child has just been let loose to run through the aisle down Memory Lane. zozo-mag
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Aug 13, 2011 0:44:46 GMT -5
Post by sketcher on Aug 13, 2011 0:44:46 GMT -5
"Grow Up"
Never...
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Aug 13, 2011 2:18:10 GMT -5
Post by OJA on Aug 13, 2011 2:18:10 GMT -5
I choose to remain in stasis.
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Aug 13, 2011 2:56:42 GMT -5
Post by OJA on Aug 13, 2011 2:56:42 GMT -5
Toys come in different forms, in different price ranges, shapes and function. Is there any difference between shoes, bags, clothing, jewelry, guns, coins, cars, tools, happy meal knick knack, rocks... All material things that we may put value at. All toys.
Share your toys. Let your kids play with them. Teach them how to handle toys with care. The goal is to perpetuate this hobby. Let the next generation learn how to appreciate it. Then, there will always be interest and a market for it. The more of us, the better. And we will have toys till the end of time.
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Aug 13, 2011 6:41:52 GMT -5
Post by ancer on Aug 13, 2011 6:41:52 GMT -5
Grow Up ? Nope ... not gonna do it. ;D
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Aug 13, 2011 10:59:31 GMT -5
Post by xTIMMYxCOREx on Aug 13, 2011 10:59:31 GMT -5
hmm like when I went looking for Agnostic Fronts United Blood and the price was ridiculous, then years later their bassist joined my band and I asked him for one and he said he doesnt even have one of his own, he had given all them out over the years and he didnt wanna spend all that money on one..AND HES ON THE RECORD. My girlfriend doesn't even have half the recordings of her band she played on. Crazy. What band were/are you in? And that all said. I am with Geoffrey (my old employer from many moons ago) and Kevin Seconds ... YOUNG 'TILL I DIE. Now who will be at Frank & Sons this morning?
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Aug 13, 2011 12:20:03 GMT -5
Post by magengar on Aug 13, 2011 12:20:03 GMT -5
I don't mind "growin up"... I just Don't wanna grow Old.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ;D
zozo-mag
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Aug 13, 2011 12:48:42 GMT -5
Post by OJA on Aug 13, 2011 12:48:42 GMT -5
The only time you stop growing old is when you die...
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Aug 13, 2011 13:17:26 GMT -5
Post by coul567 on Aug 13, 2011 13:17:26 GMT -5
actually the day your born the day you start to die!
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Aug 13, 2011 19:27:17 GMT -5
Post by mechamasterj on Aug 13, 2011 19:27:17 GMT -5
i know there is a difference between toy types.... action figures, statues, collectables, dolls, art type but really they are all still toys just depends on how you look at them and really to everyone else thats just what they are.
You can try and and explain the hell out of the difference of collectables vs children toys and they will see them as toys. Trust me I tried to defend my hobby in such a manner and still make it a point to at least show how the toys I collect are far superior to any toys you can find in your local TRU (if you live in the states). Still they say..... whatever they look like toys to me
Yes a child may go for something more flashy but you know what you hand a child a hot toys Iron man mark V ....... yeah he will still try and play with it.
I have grown to just except my hobby for what it is and realize in the end they are toys that I collect and I dont care what anyone thinks because it makes me happy.
What I am more upset is with people within the same vein criticizing others. Model builder ridicule toy collectors, toy collectors pass judgment on dolphies..... it just hypocrisy at its dumbest.
I am happy that I have found others who share my passion and interest
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Aug 13, 2011 20:08:01 GMT -5
Post by Dead-Man on Aug 13, 2011 20:08:01 GMT -5
i sometimes have the issue of my collection with some family, having the same thinking of Toy's for kids (including Gaming Consoles)
I knew i would be facing this issue, so i have my Transactions receipts of each Figure i own, so when a family member told me give this to the children, i just go, "alright as long as you pay for it" and then get asked how much, i just slam them with the transaction Receipt, that's when they back off when they get shocked by the price.
Sometime's it angers me, not of their thinking, but Rather when i see their Children Play a rated M Game.. Seeing a 10 year old Hearing the Fu** word and many sexual scenes these games provide .. How is that Okay for Children to watch, and for me as an adult not okay to have "Kids stuff"?
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Aug 14, 2011 12:44:06 GMT -5
Post by Ben-Ohki on Aug 14, 2011 12:44:06 GMT -5
OK, look, serious... if your family is allowing their small kids to play games rated-M, you have other problems than what they think about your toy collection... Not that I have any authority on how to raise other peoples' kids, but those games are rated Mature for a reason.
Anyway, as for myself, I look at it this way: these are my toys and it's my money to do with as I please. My own family have come accept it even though, as the rest of you have already pointed out, they can't tell the difference between a "Transformer" and a $200 Yamato VF-1 valkyrie. But my friends and family have accepted that I collect toys because that's what makes me happy.
I guess the only thing that bothers me is that while they accept it, they STILL don't understand that some of my "toys" are not just really expensive kids' toys. After I moved out, my parents moved a bunch of stuff around my old bed room, packing some stuff, while just stacking others. STACKING. I mean, serious? I had to explain to them that such carelessness was not acceptable to me because some of my pieces are very fragile (they didn't even notice they broke some things like delicate comm antennae arrays on some tank miniatures, etc). Things that cannot simply be "fixed" - it's broken, then it's broken. Thankfully the damage was only on some of my Warhammer 40K miniatures meaning I was eventually able to acquire replacement bits. But what if it was an old chogokin and an antennae snapped off? Then I would have been royally peeved. But the fact remains, why they stopped complaining to me about the toys... they still don't see them as being important to me.
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Aug 14, 2011 13:39:13 GMT -5
Post by magengar on Aug 14, 2011 13:39:13 GMT -5
It's difficult to explain to someone how much the 'toy' means to you, especially some high-priced rare vintage item... to trust that person to care for it while you're away; or similar situation, as in Ben's case his folks didn't know better and just boxed his precious collections away thus causing damage. Ya can't blame them for not knowing better, but then it does get under a collector's skin and you can't help being angry about it. If my mom handled my boxed (stored) Mazinger collections that way I think I'd break one of her Hummels so she'll learn how I'd feel if any of my figures got broken... Pain is a great teacher. ;D It hurts even more when that person shrugs it off with something sarcastic like "Baaah, you can get another one..." or "Meeeeh, you can find that one all over eBay..." they say it out of blind carelessness. An old roommate's cat jumped on my shelf and knocked some of my figures over, after I had strictly asked him not to let his cat in my room. "Oh, the door was open, the cat's just gonna push his way inside". I don't care, I didn't want the damn cat in my room. I let him move in with his cat, and thought no problem about it. But later on I learned my lesson. My figs on the floor, and my roommate says "they're just toys, the cat's not gonna do no harm to them".... on that note I kicked his ass packin outta my home. He broke my house rule: Respect my collection. Things like such are the reasons why I don't like to discuss my collection as "toys" to other folks. Their idea of a toy means something that can be replaced and battered and replaced again like it grows on trees. I've even had Dates criticize my collection as "toys". Oh "really"? well... Guess what, sh*thead-- Date's over, get outta my life! I'm MARRIED to my hobbies.Damn, the extremes I gotta go through just to protect my "toys" ! ;D zozo-mag
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Aug 14, 2011 13:46:29 GMT -5
Post by supergetterv on Aug 14, 2011 13:46:29 GMT -5
That was kinda my point Ben-Ohki. In general terms, they are all toys. What really annoys me the most is that when you have other collectors that can't understand the difference. The two close friend that I have are both toy collectors to the truest of sense, in that they buy and collect things that are made for little kids. Hasbro Transformers or GI Joes, no matter how you look at them were made for kids to play with first. In the hands of a collector, it is a collectible toys. Different from a Soul of Chogokin because SOC are toys that are made for the collectors. Best way I can explain this is putting them in two category, collectible toys: toys made for kids to be play with and are collected by collectors, and Toy Collectibles: Toys that were made to be sold to collectors. A ten dollar deluxe Transformers sold everywhere at retail is a collectible toy. The same ten dollar deluxe toy that was repainted and sold for 5 times more and sold only at a exclusive website is a toy collectible.
And the most annoying part about the two is, they will say. "that SOC Tobikage or SOC GX-46 cost you 100$ and 300$. They will compare it to the ROTF Bruticus set or the Target exclusive SKywarp/Ultra Magnus set and say stuff like SOC don't go up in value vs look at all the Transformers. Deluxe classics Cliffjumper, Mirage, Rodimus, Bumblebee, Starscream etc.. have all at least double sometimes quaduple in prices. And my only comeback is " it isn't hard to double when it is a $10 figure to begin with.
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Aug 14, 2011 13:50:13 GMT -5
Post by magengar on Aug 14, 2011 13:50:13 GMT -5
Try telling that to This guy... ;D zozo-mag The only time you stop growing old is when you die... actually the day your born the day you start to die!
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