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Post by luclin999 on Sept 4, 2012 18:02:45 GMT -5
Well, the first of the Shoguns I purchased over the past few days just arrived and it is a mixed bag. First the good news. The figure arrived quickly and was packed very well. On the whole it looks a bit better than the auction photos led me to believe. Here is a picture that I just took..  Overall, very nice appearance with unfaded colors few visible scratches and decent stickers (especially the ones at the waist). Up close there is some paint wear to the head but I already saw this from the auction photos so it was no surprise..  The surprise (bad) came when I started looking the figure over and noticed that the left leg seemed to be bending a bit oddly. When I took a closer look I discovered this:  The connector on the upper blue leg is cut nearly in two, hanging on by maybe 33% of the remaining peg. This was not disclosed in the listing or shown in any of the pictures. That being said, the damage was not immediately noticeable to me at first and this could have been something overlooked by the seller. So here is my problem. Aside from the leg, the figure looks great and if it weren't for the damage I would have been extremely happy with the purchase but now, not so much. As it is I am expecting that the break will only get worse every time the figure is moved.  Should I contact the seller? I don't know if the guy could do much more than to offer to take the toy back. If I go ahead and keep it, how hard do you think it would be to find a replacement thigh section from a 2nd or 3rd edition Mazinga to replace the broken one with? Will I have a problem matching the color to the one I have? |
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 4, 2012 19:09:59 GMT -5
how much did it go for in auction?
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Post by luclin999 on Sept 4, 2012 19:58:33 GMT -5
how much did it go for in auction? $86 + shipping. www.ebay.com/itm/261087085869At the time I thought it a decent deal even with no box, one sword and only three missiles, but the undisclosed (unknown to seller?) leg condition really bothers me. |
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 4, 2012 20:05:57 GMT -5
I think you can remove that screw and do an internal repair on it.. then screw it back into place.. maybe some JB weld or friendly plastic maybe?
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 4, 2012 20:07:08 GMT -5
heat up that pelvis with a blowdryer and pull the leg out.. then unscrew the knee joint and take a look at it..
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Post by 1oldrobot on Sept 4, 2012 20:41:48 GMT -5
id say contact the seller. GM in good condition goes for the amount you paid. dont send it back, just see if you can get 15 bucks back. you can jb weld it, and that would be fine for display, but kids couldnt play with it. if you jb weld it, you dont even need to take it off. try to keep removing limbs to a minimum as joints get loose really easy on jumbos.
all in all, id be pretty ticked if this was hidden from me. also, yours is a 2nd version. you sure you dont want the first?
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 4, 2012 21:06:53 GMT -5
id say contact the seller. GM in good condition goes for the amount you paid. dont send it back, just see if you can get 15 bucks back. you can jb weld it, and that would be fine for display, but kids couldnt play with it. if you jb weld it, you dont even need to take it off. try to keep removing limbs to a minimum as joints get loose really easy on jumbos. all in all, id be pretty ticked if this was hidden from me. also, yours is a 2nd version. you sure you dont want the first? That JB weld is stong though.. real strong.. as long as it sticks to the plastic it should be stronger than before. I also like friendly plastic.. easy to use for repairs like this but you gotta get to the inside of that leg and fill it up.. I got one repair on a getter arm that is alot smaller than that leg and just a small plug of that friendly plastic made it strong as hell.. later on he could replace it with a leg off of a junk Mazinger.. should be ok. |
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Post by toyseeker2010 on Sept 4, 2012 21:12:33 GMT -5
I agree with 1oldrobot I would definately contact the seller and see if you could get a partial refund. That leg issue should have been disclosed in the auction. If it was packed well and the box it was shipped in was not damaged then I would doubt it happened in transit. the leg can be repaired pretty easily so for a display it should still be good. I hope the other JM you purchased show up intact  |
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Post by faulkners2 on Sept 4, 2012 21:38:09 GMT -5
I have seen several Mazinga legs for sale on Ebay recently pretty cheap. Could be you could just pick one of those up and do a quick replace. Maybe you can get the seller to refund a little money and use toward the purchase.
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Post by rodman75 on Sept 4, 2012 21:44:12 GMT -5
My two cents;
I feel it unlikely the seller didn't know about the leg issue. I would want a full refund upon returning it back to him. If he has an unblemished feedback rating, he should be willing to accept the return or face negative feedback, although some sellers could care less.
You purchased this only because it was supposed to be intact. Forgot about repairs. You can find GM's all over E-Bay that are not broken and are in better shape. Maybe it was the pictures you posted, but I thought the chest V on your GM was a bit slanted as well. I'd think about repairing it only if it was a rare Jumbo that didn't come up for auction often.
I think you'll be able to find a replacement leg (entire leg) off some beater jumbo on E-Bay sometime soon if you want to go that route. I would contact the seller as soon as possible and tell him you'd like a refund....ask him, don't tell him....you catch more bees with honey than vinegar, if you know what I mean.
Good luck and at least you know that worst case scenario you can find another GM right away.
Rodman75
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Post by 1oldrobot on Sept 4, 2012 21:47:53 GMT -5
JB Weld WILL NOT make the bond stronger than before. good for display only. epoxy doesnt stick to PE. rough it up all day and it wont make a difference. id contact the seller and throw a fit. i think ive seen this same GM on ebay before. if he didnt tell you about the cracked leg, id be mad. for the price you paid you could score a first generation one
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Post by luclin999 on Sept 4, 2012 22:52:21 GMT -5
id say contact the seller. GM in good condition goes for the amount you paid. dont send it back, just see if you can get 15 bucks back. you can jb weld it, and that would be fine for display, but kids couldnt play with it. if you jb weld it, you dont even need to take it off. try to keep removing limbs to a minimum as joints get loose really easy on jumbos. all in all, id be pretty ticked if this was hidden from me. also, yours is a 2nd version. you sure you dont want the first? I went ahead and emailed him a picture of the leg and asked if he knew about the damage when he listed it because it definitely didn't happen in transit. This guy overpacked the hell out of the box to the point when it would have to have been run over by a car to have hurt it during shipping. As the the 1st/2nd question, yes I would like a 1st as well but I also plan to look for a U5 Great Mazinger which would basically be the same toy detail wise so for the Mattel I don't really mind having the 2nd version being the first one I acquired (3rd didn't appeal to me). And I agree that I would not have paid as much if the damage had been disclosed ahead of time. |
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 4, 2012 22:56:47 GMT -5
JB Weld WILL NOT make the bond stronger than before. good for display only. epoxy doesnt stick to PE. rough it up all day and it wont make a difference. id contact the seller and throw a fit. i think ive seen this same GM on ebay before. if he didnt tell you about the cracked leg, id be mad. for the price you paid you could score a first generation one yeah I just saw a 1st gen in a rough looking box for about 100 right now on ebay.. yeah I guess that PE is a mo fo.. will sculpey melt into it? |
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Post by luclin999 on Sept 4, 2012 22:59:53 GMT -5
I have seen several Mazinga legs for sale on Ebay recently pretty cheap. Could be you could just pick one of those up and do a quick replace. Maybe you can get the seller to refund a little money and use toward the purchase. I have to say that this is the route I would prefer to go if I have to repair/restore the figure because I really don't want it to be patched together with epoxy or glue and I know that melting polyethylene back together is basically impossible. My only concern (aside from having to shell out more money for either a type 2/3 Mazinga leg or Junker bot) is in matching the color of the new leg to the existing ones which don't appear to have faded at all (guessing very little time in the sun). And it is basically impossible to tell from a photo in an auction the exact shade of blue a piece might really be. I guess the next time I see a loose leg or cheap "scrap bot" I'll just have to roll the dice and take my chances. |
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Post by luclin999 on Sept 4, 2012 23:07:17 GMT -5
My two cents; I feel it unlikely the seller didn't know about the leg issue. I would want a full refund upon returning it back to him. If he has an unblemished feedback rating, he should be willing to accept the return or face negative feedback, although some sellers could care less. You purchased this only because it was supposed to be intact. Forgot about repairs. You can find GM's all over E-Bay that are not broken and are in better shape. Maybe it was the pictures you posted, but I thought the chest V on your GM was a bit slanted as well. I'd think about repairing it only if it was a rare Jumbo that didn't come up for auction often. I think you'll be able to find a replacement leg (entire leg) off some beater jumbo on E-Bay sometime soon if you want to go that route. I would contact the seller as soon as possible and tell him you'd like a refund....ask him, don't tell him....you catch more bees with honey than vinegar, if you know what I mean. Good luck and at least you know that worst case scenario you can find another GM right away. Rodman75 I agree that the figure isn't a rare one so if he offers to take back the JM and issue a refund I may go that route as well. I guess my only hesitation in doing that is that this is the first Shogun I have had back in my hands in basically 34 years and so there is some slight reluctance in just letting it go. But I realize that may end up being the only reasonable solution. Even more interesting is that the seller lives roughly 30 miles from here so dealing with him in person to resolve this is definitely an option. |
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Post by luclin999 on Sept 4, 2012 23:23:04 GMT -5
yeah I just saw a 1st gen in a rough looking box for about 100 right now on ebay.. yeah I guess that PE is a mo fo.. will sculpey melt into it? You aren't talking about this one for $127 are you? www.ebay.com/itm/140819262322Because both the JM and the box there are pretty beaten up. As to sculpy, the temp required to set sculpy would probably make a mess out of the polyethylene and honestly I doubt that would adhere to the leg any better than the epoxy. The only thing I can think that *might* work would be a resin mix poured into the leg and then allowed to settle and cure onto the damaged area thus creating a solid plastic shell inside the leg. Sort of an internal leg brace. But the curing process may damage the polyethylene and there is no guarantee that the resin wouldn't detach from the piece over time as well so not really something I want to experiment with on the only JM I have. |
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Post by luclin999 on Sept 4, 2012 23:44:06 GMT -5
I agree with 1oldrobot I would definately contact the seller and see if you could get a partial refund. That leg issue should have been disclosed in the auction. If it was packed well and the box it was shipped in was not damaged then I would doubt it happened in transit. the leg can be repaired pretty easily so for a display it should still be good. I hope the other JM you purchased show up intact Thanks. I hope so too! |
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Post by luclin999 on Sept 5, 2012 13:24:14 GMT -5
The seller replied saying that he didn't know the toy was damaged when shipped and asked what I wanted to do.
I told him that I wanted either a $20 credit to use toward purchasing a replacement part or to simply send him back the toy for a full refund. I am waiting on his response.
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 5, 2012 15:04:36 GMT -5
yeah I just saw a 1st gen in a rough looking box for about 100 right now on ebay.. yeah I guess that PE is a mo fo.. will sculpey melt into it? You aren't talking about this one for $127 are you? www.ebay.com/itm/140819262322Because both the JM and the toy there are pretty beaten up. As to sculpy, the temp required to set sculpy would probably make a mess out of the polyethylene and honestly I doubt that would adhere to the leg any better than the epoxy. The only thing I can think that *might* work would be a resin mix poured into the leg and then allowed to settle and cure onto the damaged area thus creating a solid plastic shell inside the leg. Sort of an internal leg brace. But the curing process may damage the polyethylene and there is no guarantee that the resin wouldn't detach from the piece over time as well so not really something I want to experiment with on the only JM I have. actually I think it was this one I was looking at.. doesnt look to bad, I bet its mostly dirty .. It looks like a first editon too, am I wrong? Looks like the one I had as a kid. |
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Post by 1oldrobot on Sept 5, 2012 15:30:21 GMT -5
yep, thats a first ed.
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