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Post by actionawesome on Nov 24, 2012 17:56:45 GMT -5
It is a true story Baron. I don't care I just know I will own it. I have to. It is a moral imperative. He has to stand next to my Reideen. I still need to get Combattra too. Just have not decided which version to go for.
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Post by Chen on Nov 24, 2012 17:57:24 GMT -5
I'm getting it, honestly I don't mind the shift in size and product order. There was a time when i was spending almost a $1000 a year just on SOC's because they were coming out semi-regularly and were pretty high priced. Granted I LOVE the big SOC's but Daioja cost close to $300 with shipping and stuff and I had other figures to buy too.
I LOVE the fact that the SRC line is on a regular schedule, that means we get at least six new SRC's a year. Of course not everyone will like every release but the odds are with that many coming out you'll find something you like. I also like the fact that the SOC line isn't dead with this new Danguard designed to fit more with the SRC line. Hopefully the price will also see a downshift, I will miss the large and standard SOC's but Bandai made all the ones I want. So I'm aboard and there's no point complaining since it seems the whole market has shifted to either smaller less expensive figures or super large and highly expensive toys. I can't afford to buy every super expensive toy but I can afford every SRC and the one or two SOC's they plan on making a year plus other toys from other lines and not put myself in debt. Who knows a few years from now it will probably shift again and we may get back to the glory days of the SOC line.
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Post by actionawesome on Nov 24, 2012 18:02:11 GMT -5
I agree Chen. I have pretty much found myself done with most lines but SRC and SOC. Robot Damashii only releases an occasionally cool figure I want (Heroman, Dann, Volkein, Universal Century Gundam figures). Otherwise all my $ is going to SOC and SRC. Pretty comfortable with that.
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Post by Chen on Nov 24, 2012 18:16:43 GMT -5
I can understand the resentment, a lot of us have invested VERY heavily in the SOC line to what seems like they want us to buy everything again at a smaller scale. I know the SRC line isn't anywhere close to the SOC line but it is a nice line and with the smaller size more people can afford to buy them and they take up less space in displays. I'm at the point now where getting new fans into this hobby means more to me then me getting a 12" tall, 100% diecast toy that costs $500. This hobby was slowly pricing itself out of most collectors hands till the SRC line showed up, I'll admit I was one of the biggest detractors when I first heard about this new line but after getting Maz and Great Maz I was hooked. Sure not every SRC is a homerun but the good thing is that their not hugely expensive to begin with so I don't feel that cheated.
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Post by B- on Nov 24, 2012 18:23:56 GMT -5
I dont think SOCwill change to smaller size robots,I think this Danguard is just a nod to the old version of similar size.SOC has yet to do Tryder and I dont think he will be small.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 24, 2012 18:55:39 GMT -5
There is only like 8 or so more robots I'm interested in getting, and out of those just about half I woukd love to see in the SOC line. Can't wait for a large SOC combiner SRX and even a Golion, as well as a Mazinkaiser and Shin Getter Set. But that's about it in my SOC wish list. The rest I can live with as SRCs.  }D |
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Post by B- on Nov 24, 2012 20:33:10 GMT -5
My wants unfortunately will never make the SRC list,CMs will be the father of those figures as you all know my nagging for Daikengo,Diapolon and Tryder G-7{possibly an SOC} those are my top 3 wants,and really must have modern renditions.They are the 3 main robots left to complete the classic 70s line.There are a few more minors ofcourse like Acrobunch who need to be redone too.
The Daikengo Buildplan was a HUGE toy and the first diecast combiner,why he hasnt been done yet is both a mystery and a travesty.
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 24, 2012 22:11:27 GMT -5
i think is more about the anime than the toy itself. I mean the Daikengo anime for me wasn't that good but not bad either, just not memorable as per say. i don't remember it been that popular here in Puerto Rico and i think is because the show was short like 20+ episodes i think.
Now Diapolon, now that would be awesome to have, of course been that it doesn't go crazy over the prize.
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Post by jrmdet7 on Nov 24, 2012 23:29:43 GMT -5
Count me on buying this one, whether it be 6" or bigger.
The fact that it is a SOC release is more than enough reason for me.
And if the price is reasonable, then i'll probably buy two.
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Post by mtmte586 on Nov 25, 2012 1:18:07 GMT -5
I'm still not getting a 6" even if the price is reasonable. It won't be of similar size of the SoCs in my collection. I'll just have to be patient and wait for Bandai to get it right later.
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Post by B- on Nov 25, 2012 10:22:39 GMT -5
i think is more about the anime than the toy itself. I mean the Daikengo anime for me wasn't that good but not bad either, just not memorable as per say. i don't remember it been that popular here in Puerto Rico and i think is because the show was short like 20+ episodes i think. Now Diapolon, now that would be awesome to have, of course been that it doesn't go crazy over the prize. How many collectors really watch the animes of all these robots? Id say 25% or less!! Daikengo is only in Italian and Japanese,as well as the other rarities which limits viewing for those who just cant watch the anime without translation..Most wont bother watching non subtitled anime or even subtitled!! I think its the popularity of the robot itself,as to why certain robots get created.Yes the anime definately plays apart in that too,but I think its the robot itself. But then with the real popular guys like Mazinkaiser or Grendizer,those are heavily watched animes too,but they also have translation in english,which is a HUGE factor. |
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Post by actionawesome on Nov 25, 2012 12:48:32 GMT -5
I often try to check out anime for ever figure I own. Even if I only manage to watch a half-dozen eps based on my time alotment. In my younger years I was a "must watch anime in japanese" snob. Over recent years I find I will watch it in a decent dub so my daughter can sit and enjoy it with me.
Danguard Ace is one of the Force Five series so we were able to see it in the states.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 25, 2012 14:02:50 GMT -5
Yeah, liking the character in the anime is what drives my purchases. I really don't buy anything unless I've seen the anime/show/movie first, no matter how cool the figure might look. That is the reason why I skipped several SOCs, because I didn't like their anime. As a matter of fact, I skipped the Great Impact Gurren Lagann when it first came out as a pre-order at HLJ because I had never watched the anime and thought it was just a poor Gaiking ripoff. Of course, after evetually watching the show, I paid dearly for that mistake! $$$ }D } |
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Post by B- on Nov 25, 2012 17:16:02 GMT -5
Ive watched just about all the 70s early 80s Super Robot animes in whichever language and over the years several of them the whole series.I just finished Gakeen,Mekander,Combattler {again}and Mazinkaiser for the 8th time!All in the past month.
Ive yet to see the whole Jeeg,Ive seen most on youtube though,but wish it were in English.All the other guys Ive seen ofcourse the biggies Ive been watching since a kid when I had them on Betamax! The 2 series I really want to watch through now are Godam and Baratack,but gotta buy them.I dont mind watching anime on youtube now,as I can stream it through my 55" Samsung Smart TV! yay!!
I dont necessarily HAVE to like the anime to buy the robot though,I mean i love Goshogun but he is in hardly any of the anime and ofcourse I own him.If the robot fits the 70s flair hes mine!Liking the anime is a huge plus ofcourse.I just feel disgusted when someone only collects for the robots and doesnt give the shows a chance,they call them old,dated or stodgy,and need up to date anime or nothing.Pitiful.Reminds me of a certain bearded man at our neighboring site,who I wont name.AT LEAST do your homework!
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 25, 2012 18:41:21 GMT -5
LOL! Baron be nice!!! ;D But you're correct. That's why I think Gold's reviews are so awesome. He takes the time to look up and add actual anime footage so folks that have never watched the anime can relate the figure's weapons and accessories. He truly is the best reviewer ever! ;D
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 25, 2012 19:46:17 GMT -5
Ive watched just about all the 70s early 80s Super Robot animes in whichever language and over the years several of them the whole series.I just finished Gakeen,Mekander,Combattler {again}and Mazinkaiser for the 8th time!All in the past month. Ive yet to see the whole Jeeg,Ive seen most on youtube though,but wish it were in English.All the other guys Ive seen ofcourse the biggies Ive been watching since a kid when I had them on Betamax! The 2 series I really want to watch through now are Godam and Baratack,but gotta buy them.I dont mind watching anime on youtube now,as I can stream it through my 55" Samsung Smart TV! yay!! I dont necessarily HAVE to like the anime to buy the robot though,I mean i love Goshogun but he is in hardly any of the anime and ofcourse I own him.If the robot fits the 70s flair hes mine!Liking the anime is a huge plus ofcourse.I just feel disgusted when someone only collects for the robots and doesnt give the shows a chance,they call them old,dated or stodgy,and need up to date anime or nothing.Pitiful.Reminds me of a certain bearded man at our neighboring site,who I wont name.AT LEAST do your homework! true not necessarily you need to like the anime so you can buy the robot, when i was a kid i use to have a small diecast figure of Getter robo (a bootleg to be more pressies) before i even saw his show and i consider it to be pretty cool looking. But at the end of everything its all in a business stand point, is it worth the risk to make a Toy base on a anime that was not so popular like Daikengo and does it really have a strong fan base for it, or should i go with something much more recognizable and possible make a better profit out of it like Diapolon? and with the condition of the economy that is not so good theres way to many risk to make a product for kinda of a obscure robot that it might not sell well as oppose of going making for a recognizable ones. true to be told that the Daikengo's show was not translated for many places around the world and could be a big factor in its situation as you said but it could also mean that it was not kinda worth it to because it was not so good? TBH, i would like to see a new update rendition of the toy either for SoC, CM or SRC, but if it doesn't have a strong interest for him then i as well i would not even try to make him. perhaps a prototype just to test the waters to see if there is some sort of interest for him. |
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Post by B- on Nov 25, 2012 21:35:01 GMT -5
The most very first most popular,rare and expensive combiner kit is Daikengo Buildplan the old vintage toy.Seems as if that would be remade,as homage to Voltes and Combattler style suitcase kits were.Bandai made just as obscure robots,but I really think CMs is gonna do Diapolon,I really do.One of them will do Daikengo Im sure.Alot of people think Daikengo is a poor man's Combattler,they do have similarities,but really stand alone for me.
Diapolon and Daikengo certainly were as popular or more popular as a few others both companies have made before,so I dont think it will be a problem,especially not for CMs.And Tryder is SURELY in the next 3 SOCs to surface.He has to be made with Daioja and Daitarn out there
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 25, 2012 22:01:59 GMT -5
If Bandai (or any other manufactorer) really wanted to make obscure robots without taking a massive risk in loosing money, they could just make them exclusives. They would announce that a certain amount of fully pre-paid pre-orders would be required for the project to move into production stage and then go from there. CM's gave this idea a shot with the Dancouga Nova, but back then, asking $600 plus whatever shipping for a figure was pretty much crazy. Out of the mandated 1500 they needed folks to pre-order to make it happen, they only got about 250. So they idea was scratched and the pre-orders were fully refunded. Anyway, I still believe this would work... as long as the manufacturer prices the figure realistically. And of course, once you have the mold, you can make more and call them "repaints"... ask the Fewture folks about that! ;D }D |
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 25, 2012 22:13:05 GMT -5
indeed, Tryder is a must to complete the trio as well with Zambot 3.
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Post by Chen on Nov 26, 2012 7:13:38 GMT -5
There's two ways for obscure robots to be made,cheaper non-complicted ones like SRC's or high priced short run figures. It all depends on which market would give a better return on investment. I'm sure there are fans that would pay $$$ for a deluxe Daikengo with high profit margins but I'm sure there are even more who would buy a SRC with lower profit margins.
As for being a anime fan first I must say there are animes that I thought were average or to long but the robot itself made such a impact that it over rode the show. Same with short OVA's like Dangaio it was only three episodes long with a average story but the sheer design had me hooked. Liking an anime helps and gives you a better understanding of the robot but in the end it comes down to if you think the robot is cool or not.
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