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Post by godaiking on Apr 12, 2013 1:13:31 GMT -5
Please forgive this rant but....
As someone who's owned this toy in the past, I'm still trying to figure out WHY it routinely goes over $2000-4000 boxed and over $1000 loose.
Don't get me wrong...I really like the toy. I tried, in vain, this past Wednesday to win an excellent shape Japanese market version which was missing the top box (some of you may have see the auction) of Evilbay. Of course, it went over $2300.
Soon after the auction was over, 3 more Tetsujins popped up. For such a "rare" toy, there seems to be quite a few of these in the market.
Personally, I prefer Voltes V and Combattra V (way more gimmicks and way more metal) to the Tetsujin.
But damn, it would be nice to score one of these a bit cheaper than my house payment!
Luckily, there was an excellent shape DX Tetsujin that ended an hour later and I won that...for a mere $265
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Post by www.kimcastro.com on Apr 12, 2013 8:32:05 GMT -5
Congratulations! You now owned the heavy deluxe version of tetsujin.
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Apr 12, 2013 11:33:30 GMT -5
I also prefer Voltes (especially over combattra, but that argument is for another thread) but I am still looking to get a godaikin T28 boxed. Which "dx" tetsujin did you win, the small "dx" one?
As far as the sg-01/godaikin, the SG is rarer than godaikin but both are what I would call a "regularly available" toy. Not common, but nowhere near "rare".
Unfortunately both releases of the chokinzoku suffer from what I refer to as "Fortress Maximus Syndrome". This is where a toy is always readily available in many different states of condition, and you just have to buy it and you own it. No thrill, no hunt, just pony up the cash. Many buyers don't realize that. Fort Max is a perfect example to illustrate the point.
It is also a toy that many casual or uninterested collectors will buy so that they feel legitimate in the eyes of others, because its the biggest one, "hard to find" by their standards, or now "expensive".
So opinion will vary here, but it makes it difficult for people like us who legitimately want one to buy one. Could I spend 3k on one? Yes. Will I? No.
Unfortunately either version is not a 2-3k or 3-5k toy MIB as we have seen them sell for over the years now. Is either a 1k toy? Probably. A 2k toy? They'd have to be flawless.
I know it is demand that drives the price, along with some people that maybe can't be patient as well. So price continues to climb due to artificial demand.
There are much rarer figures for comparison, dx Daimos and dx bio robo (because they were dual releases as well) but they are more for specific, niche, or hardcore collectors whereas tetsujin's toy is more remembered for being revolutionary and having an easily recognizable, more well known character.
Anyone else agree?
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Post by bt1 on Apr 12, 2013 12:52:26 GMT -5
^^ Agree wholeheartedly!
I never considered it rare, but it is a great looking piece. I (thought) I bought a loose one with a few accessories a couple of years ago for $250. I was very happy with the price, but it somehow got 'lost' in the mail and was refunded my cash. Piss me off...
Anyway, I would still love to get one, but no where near the prices they are commanding. I figure I'd pay $500 for a good loose one or upto $1500 nicely boxed. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Post by jeffsung66 on Apr 12, 2013 12:54:10 GMT -5
IMO, SG-1 is like the Popy DX Gatchaspartan. They both look nice but once in your hands, it's hard not to have buyer's remourse. Too much plastic for way too much money. I had both and ended up selling both. I agree with Ginrai, there are way more interesting pieces to hunt for.
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Post by robonutter on Apr 12, 2013 13:40:59 GMT -5
I have two loose ones and i like them. I think they are nice looking robots. Do i think they deserve the high price? well no but none of the toys i collect should be costing what they do. Its all in how bad you want it. I dont regret buying anything yet i love most robots even if i could of paid off all my debts and be debt free but i wouldnt have any cool robots to look at when i am bored lol.
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Post by jeromy on Apr 14, 2013 21:29:58 GMT -5
I lusted after this for years, finally got a loose one in good shape and never touched it. I handled the smaller DX one way more so I sold the big guy. Great toy but yeah, a bit overrated.
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Post by KingboyD on Apr 15, 2013 11:01:51 GMT -5
The DX is really a nice, solid piece. I would love to get a boxed version (just have an incomplete loose one), but the price seems to have climbed recently.
As to the SG, it is pretty damned cool too. Just a nice internal mechanism type piece. It reminds be a lot of the Diaclone Great Robot Base and Fortress X, with smaller figures that travel throughout the body of the toy (I never really tied these toys together before now - strange!). I agree that the price is out there, but then again, most prices are to me. I try to keep this hobby in perspective. It can be all-consuming. If I were a wealthy man, I probably would not mind paying the prices that are asked for these. But as a father of two with a mortgage, car payments, and other bills up the whazoo, it is unfortunately out of reach for me. If I could find a nice loose one for $250 - $300, I would jump on it. But even dropping $500 on it is just too much for me. As always, I think its all just a matter of perspective in terms of personal finances and how much you really want to invest in this type of a hobby.
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Post by godaiking on Apr 15, 2013 15:53:03 GMT -5
I also prefer Voltes (especially over combattra, but that argument is for another thread) but I am still looking to get a godaikin T28 boxed. Which "dx" tetsujin did you win, the small "dx" one? I got this one:  Came with all accessories, styro and in excellent shape (no box though). Good price too. I know I b*tch about the price on the Tetsujin SG/Godaikin, but I know I'll eventually get one back (if the price is right). I so regret selling the dead stock boxed on I had back in 2009. I remember a friend of mine had the toy back in the early 80s when I lived in Japan and I was so jealous of him.... ;D |
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Post by godaiking on Apr 15, 2013 16:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by repairtechjon on Apr 15, 2013 22:11:38 GMT -5
Good points brought up here, and a good rant to blow out some B.S. in a hobby Is ok once in a while, LOL
For what it is, a great toy and display, and based on its real time a availability, I agree that the comfy price zone it was in for many years, of $750 to $1900 boxed(depending condition) seemed right.
Keep in mind when comparing to same size box DX chogokin sets, like VoltesV, the SG-01 was NOT, and is not, meant to be in the same lineup.
SG-01 has a well documented story, of being the beginning of a new potential line of toys, with its stamped steel panels, NOT diecast chunks of the classic chogokins.
Therefore, some of the perceived value is the fact it is a "one and only" example of a toy line that never happened.
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Post by mecha-mania on Apr 16, 2013 1:27:37 GMT -5
SG-01 has a well documented story, of being the beginning of a new potential line of toys, with its stamped steel panels, NOT diecast chunks of the classic chogokins. Therefore, some of the perceived value is the fact it is a "one and only" example of a toy line that never happened. good point you've got there. i guess thats the reason why i always find the tet 28 looked a bit odd when lining up against other diecast laden godaikins such as the voltes v or combattra. |
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Post by admin1 aka Ed on Apr 16, 2013 14:47:21 GMT -5
For me there was always a presentation premium for SG-01. The box is about the biggest in the hobby. The cello is very well laid out. There is a genuine love you feel from the designers and engineers. As a kid, the box simly was the biggestet i'd ever seen for any toy.......but I do recall wondering why all the armor wasn't held better inside the box  E |
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Post by arkboy on Apr 16, 2013 21:42:00 GMT -5
It's one of its kind, magnificent toy and the sheer size alone makes it a desirable "must" have, but that being said, if I've the cash, I will probably spend it on a Daibaron DX, Volt-in-box yellow elbow or perhaps even a Daikengo Buildplan. But yes, I agree it's by far one of the most sought after piece and I hope one day I can "afford" a loose specimen.
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Apr 16, 2013 22:02:19 GMT -5
Keep in mind when comparing to same size box DX chogokin sets, like VoltesV, the SG-01 was NOT, and is not, meant to be in the same lineup. SG-01 has a well documented story, of being the beginning of a new potential line of toys, with its stamped steel panels, NOT diecast chunks of the classic chogokins. Therefore, some of the perceived value is the fact it is a "one and only" example of a toy line that never happened. Jon brings up a good point that puts this into a better perspective, and I think his comment is one that is easily forgotten and overshadowed by the "value" of this toy as it currently keeps increasing. This was supposed to carve out a new path for Popy and this was meant to show the pinnacle of what Popy came up with at the time and possibly replace or upstage everything to that point (kind of like how Porsche tried to make the 928 replace the 911 for good). But when companies try to do this, the result is usually backlash from purists (like with the Porsche example above) or the toy is too expensive to sustain (either due to high costs or poor sales) which I think it was a little of both in this case. As far as one-offs becoming expensive though, I still think it is because Tetsujin has a much wider appeal and fan base, otherwise I think the Technorobo Compoboy would be priced through the roof as well (no diecast, but also a rare, one-off toy). For me there was always a presentation premium for SG-01. The box is about the biggest in the hobby. The cello is very well laid out. There is a genuine love you feel from the designers and engineers. As a kid, the box simly was the biggestet i'd ever seen for any toy.......but I do recall wondering why all the armor wasn't held better inside the box E Ed, I still haven't seen a box for one of these in person, and still haven't held one, only saw the toy in a display case up close. So did the armor jostle around quite a bit? Usually the stuff in the foam didn't move too much, but with some toys we have heard that it did. Had you come across damage to the armor from it moving around? Or damage to the cellophane from the armor moving? I would have thought the nose would be the culprit of cello damage, but I guess not? Do you think the toy would have had a better impact if it had been packaged with the armor applied and held by the magnets, rather than off to the side? |
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Post by mecha-mania on Apr 17, 2013 2:02:09 GMT -5
I think its better to have the presentation as is, ie with armour unapplied. One look and it will show you the potential of the toy.
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Post by godaiking on Apr 17, 2013 22:30:53 GMT -5
It's one of its kind, magnificent toy and the sheer size alone makes it a desirable "must" have, but that being said, if I've the cash, I will probably spend it on a Daibaron DX, Volt-in-box yellow elbow or perhaps even a Daikengo Buildplan. But yes, I agree it's by far one of the most sought after piece and I hope one day I can "afford" a loose specimen. I totally agree. As much as I *still* want the piece in my collection, there's always other more desirable vintage pieces I could add instead. |
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