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Post by supergetterv on Jul 17, 2013 15:10:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one that defines and differentiate the two? Webster dictionary defines knockoffs as a copy that sells for less than the original. I define it as a reproduction copy of an existing item. Webster defines bootleg as usually referring to alcohol, items produced to be sold illicitly and illegal copies.
In general, knockoffs are illegal thus by definition, are bootlegs. But there exist such a thing as a knockoff of a bootleg. Confused? Well, this is because a bootleg can also be define as a object that is unofficial or unlicense. Producing and selling an object without the permission of the intellectual property owner is illegal, hence so, the definition of bootlegger. We usually like to use the term 3rd party instead of bootleggers. You see the distinction that I am trying to make is that a object/product that is newly sculpted and fabricated without acquiring a license is a bootleg. But this is different from a knockoff because a knockoff is a cheap reproduction copy of an existing object/product. Thus, there can be knockoff of bootleg object.
So what is the point? I just want to point out the difference between bootlegs and knockoffs. Cause I like bootleg items but I hate knockoffs. In General bootleg items are usually harder to come by, most online retailer don't carry them. I just hate seeing bootleg original productions being cheapen by knockoff versions.
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Post by tetsuryu on Aug 8, 2013 22:44:51 GMT -5
So what you're saying is a bootleg, while based on an existing character, is unlicensed but does enjoy the benefit of having an original mold, while a knockoff is a straight-up copy of an existing toy?
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Post by supergetterv on Aug 8, 2013 22:50:05 GMT -5
Don't know what you mean by original mold. But pretty much bootleg is unlicense and ripping off the IP (intellectual property), thus illegal, but is an all new original product. Knockoff is just plain copy and in lower quality, ie recast or even resizing of an existing mold is also a KO.
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Post by xtrlowz75 on Aug 12, 2013 22:45:35 GMT -5
I'm really never sure if a bootleg is a knockoff, or a knock off is a bootleg either. I mean if its bootlegged, it must be a knockoff, though many kncokoffs aren't considered bootlegs. And bootlegs aren't considered knockoffs. So if I buy a bootleg, am I buying a knockoff, or just a knocked off boot from a leg? Did the foot get hurt during the knocking off of the boot from the leg? Its just very confusing.   |
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Post by magengar on Aug 13, 2013 2:21:00 GMT -5
Knockies and Booties, they don't matter in my book, I'll take 'em all as long as they're made with good quality and detail as close to the original as humanly possible!  I'm not fond of mass-reproducing an original item for the purpose of reselling copies to make a huge profit. But since the bootie is already up at eBay I may as well rescue it if i had the money for it. As far as Making and Selling booties... if I were to get into making booties and knockoffs... I'm okay with reproducing a copy for a fellow collector either by request or as a replacement part or as a gift. If I had to charge, I'd just charge a reasonable price for the materials and labor, as long as I have the facility to do it. I never wanna get into 'mass production' repros, Ever. It's a pain in the ass to keep up with it, and I'm not good at making something perfect twice. The less booties there are in the world, the better. That way this hobby won't get saturated with too many booties and not enough authentic specimens. zozo-mag |
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Post by mecha-mania on Aug 13, 2013 8:03:08 GMT -5
Knockies and Booties, they don't matter in my book, I'll take 'em all as long as they're made with good quality and detail as close to the original as humanly possible! While i swore off KOs that falls apart after handling them the first time, i am definitly open to good quality reproduction, such as fansproject stuff, replicas that are made with passion and love |
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Post by bowhntr66 on Aug 13, 2013 8:38:10 GMT -5
Sometimes bootlegs are the best way to get the character into your collection. For example, jumbos. I recently purchased a Disco D17 because I really wanted a D17 in my collection. Dangard Ace bootleg may be the only way I'll ever be able to get a Dangard. $500 for a bootleg is A LOT easier than $3000-$8000. Granted, the quality is deminished, but for these cases, I'm buying the character.
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Post by joweone on Aug 13, 2013 12:08:55 GMT -5
I think the D17 is probably the only JM KO that looks to fit into a collection of JMs. The Feel in hand is definitely cheaper. If your into Junior Machinders or carnie bootlegs some other boots are cool, but definitely a different aesthetic. The aphrodai was nicely made and looks great( size is cool in comparison to Maz) but its a large vinyl bootleg since there never was an original. Id love to see a boss borot
of similar quality.
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Post by KingboyD on Aug 13, 2013 12:19:46 GMT -5
Don't know what you mean by original mold. But pretty much bootleg is unlicense and ripping off the IP (intellectual property), thus illegal, but is an all new original product. Knockoff is just plain copy and in lower quality, ie recast or even resizing of an existing mold is also a KO. Sorry, but I still see no real difference between the two. A knockoff is still an illegal unlicensed version. So why are you for one but not the other? trying to understand your distinction, I am guessing that you are saying all the various lionbots out there are knockoffs because of the close similarity to the originals. But if there were a malformed or other sized version of golion, then it would be a bootleg? I don't really see such a major distinction. They are all unlicensed copies, so how can you argue for one over the other? Unless you just don't like a particular toy. I pretty much use both terms interchangeably, whether right or wrong. And I can understand taking a stand against all of them in general. Personally, I own many of these, and I love them. Whether its a more affordable close-to-form version of a classic toy (like the Baikanfu) or a completely new take on a classic character (like this: robotjapan.proboards.com/thread/21582/tiger-head-robot), these all bring a smile to my face. |
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Post by supergetterv on Aug 13, 2013 12:44:54 GMT -5
The distinction I am trying to make is to separate copies from original production items. Take for instance the D17 JM that was mention. I wouldn't call it a bootleg per say but would define it as a KO because it is a replica/copy of something that has been made. Pretty much taking the original item and recasting it to make cheaper copies. The example of the Junior Machinder Aphordai is what I would define as a bootleg cause it wasn't made and no original exist/made by the original company with license. Like I was saying, by definition, Knock off are bootlegs because they too are illegal. But I want to differentiate them more.
To me, all 3rd party unofficial Transformers are Bootlegs. They can rename them Hercules, Giant whatever they want to. Call it a homage to a character to make it sound better. But both are nothing more than a Bootleg of Devastator.
Another example, the SD style Goraion from ToyDreams. It is a bootleg Voltron. I would not define it as a KO because it was not a copy of anything made previously. Now them Lionbots, although there are variance, are indeed KO of the Golion. Rescaling them to a smaller size doesn't change that even though an original mold doesn't exist for it. It still a blatant copy of something that exist.
Anyone that goes and make a DVD of the Transformers Prime Season 3 Beast Hunters is making Bootleg because an original has not exist. Once a original DVD has been release and copies are made from I will define as KO.
Just pointing out, Fansproject (3rd party Transformers) company has had their unlicense toys reproduced by KO company in lower quality.
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Post by bowhntr66 on Aug 13, 2013 13:29:14 GMT -5
Oh yeah, thanks joweone, I forgot my Aphrodite! You mentioned Boss Borot. Have you seen the one by eman? It's awesome looking!!! On the list waiting for him to get that one done! He's put it off to work on another but the one he did do is really cool.
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Post by joweone on Aug 13, 2013 13:52:54 GMT -5
I got his Aphrodai and while back.It's nice but still not quite the feels I want from a JM.I hate to say it but i think I prefer the vinyl HK boot .Material is at least in line with the villains from series and scale. Eman did do a hell of a job though.
Has he replied about Boss Borot because I think its been sitting stalled for a few years.
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Post by bowhntr66 on Aug 13, 2013 14:45:30 GMT -5
I got his Aphrodai and while back.It's nice but still not quite the feels I want from a JM.I hate to say it but i think I prefer the vinyl HK boot .Material is at least in line with the villains from series and scale. Eman did do a hell of a job though. Has he replied about Boss Borot because I think its been sitting stalled for a few years. Yeah, I've talked to him a couple of times. Lol, I tried to talk him out of his personal Aphrodite... He put the Boss Borot production on a back burner to work on one of the others. He wouldn't tell me which one. Basically, I got nothin'! Nice guy though. |
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Post by magengar on Aug 13, 2013 15:11:56 GMT -5
Fansproject stuff are my favorites... it's like owning a physical autograph of the person who made the object. By displaying a fan-made figure on my shelf I'm thanking the person who put so much time, energy, and love into making the figure.  zozo-mag Knockies and Booties, they don't matter in my book, I'll take 'em all as long as they're made with good quality and detail as close to the original as humanly possible! While i swore off KOs that falls apart after handling them the first time, i am definitly open to good quality reproduction, such as fansproject stuff, replicas that are made with passion and love |
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