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Post by cybermuton on Jul 24, 2013 9:48:31 GMT -5
This is just some pondering really... I've noticed of late that there is a lot of movement, noise, and interest in jumbos. I've also noticed that there is not that much movement or noise in the diecast area. By the way, I'm talking vintage pre 1984 here - all the new stuff is what it is, and has its fans and detractors alike. Now compared to when I first joined RJ like 10 years ago or something, this is a bit of a sea-change. In those days it was all about metal... So I can think of a few possible reasons for this shift - 1. It's simply a demographic and RJ's -active membership has changed; or maybe - 2. Everyone now has every diecast they ever wanted, and has moved onto Jumbos.
I can't imagine it's due to cost - jumbos can be some high-$ items, so what is it?
Obviously there are many other possible explanations, but has anybody else noticed this trend? And if so, what are your thoughts...
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Post by KingboyD on Jul 24, 2013 10:58:31 GMT -5
Yes, I sort of noticed this too. I think its just that the diecast guys are getting older, and talked about everything already. I don't think there are very many new vintage diecast collectors entering the hobby. Most new entrants to this hobby seem to gravitate to the modern diecast toys, since they don't have a connection to the vintage. This could possibly be due to the following reasons: 1)they are younger and weren't exposed to the toys (they only remember the shows perhaps), or maybe 2) being new to the hobby, they now see modern and vintage toys side by side, and naturally the modern more detailed and more realistic toys have more appeal. They weren't exposed to the vintage toys when the modern ones were not around, and so did not grow accustomed to their charms and stylizations.
As to Jumbo lovers, there aren't really modern equivalents, so you can only gravitate to the vintage ones. Therefore, as new members enter the hobby, they strike up the conversations in this subforum. Most of the older (meaning older in terms of collecting years, not age) members are mostly silent, or only chime in to offer opinions. But its the new members who are starting new threads, having great passion, and looking into customizations.
Just my thoughts on the matter. So its just a matter of what you want to collect. If you want diecast, you have a choice, and if you are new, you are more likely to go to modern (which is also more readily accessible!). But if you prefer Jumbos, then its a whole other ballgame.
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Post by bowhntr66 on Jul 24, 2013 11:02:54 GMT -5
Hhhhmmmmm...... I haven't been here that long, but what I thought was that most of the collectors are more into the SOC, etc. If you go in and out of the forum home page as many times as I normally do in a day, you'll see no less than 6-15 people in those threads, and maybe 1 or 2 in the jumbo threads.
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Post by bourno on Jul 24, 2013 11:40:43 GMT -5
Yeah, we needs a lot less people WorldWide interested in jumbos. I wants to get a Voltes for like $50 So, if you and the rest of the world could do that, then would be good for me. Thanks. I've noticed the vintage diecast has been pretty slow and I jump in the SOC area from time to time. Waiting on my Dangard GX-62 to hopefully arrive soon, so I need to sneak back to that thread and see what is going on. The jumbo area was slow about 2 years ago, but has seen a lot more activity with several newer members over the past year.
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Post by KingboyD on Jul 24, 2013 11:48:42 GMT -5
Hhhhmmmmm...... I haven't been here that long, but what I thought was that most of the collectors are more into the SOC, etc. If you go in and out of the forum home page as many times as I normally do in a day, you'll see no less than 6-15 people in those threads, and maybe 1 or 2 in the jumbo threads. He is specifically talking vintage toys - why the vintage forum is focused almost exclusively on jumbos these days. By the way, I'm talking vintage pre 1984 here - all the new stuff is what it is, and has its fans and detractors alike. For vintage toys, if I get something new that has not really been featured much in the past, or is something that I never really noticed before until I finally got to hold one in my hands, then I try to create a thread for it (such as this: robotjapan.proboards.com/thread/21256/introducing-bionic-duo). But in general, everyone that collects vintage diecast is basically familiar with the more common items. I would certainly welcome someone just throwing up pics of random toys for the hell of it, trying to start conversations. If you have something new, or just want to bust out something old, then go for it!
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Post by cybermuton on Jul 24, 2013 12:00:09 GMT -5
Some good points there. I hadn't thought of the lack of modern jumbo equivalents being a factor, but I guess it could be.. And I have noticed that most of the jumbo threads are about the more scarce ones, which perhaps backs up the 'we've seen all the old diecasts' theory too. Not many posts about standard Mattel Mazingers! The big mystery to me is how people manage to display large collections of these very large figures, and how they can manage to swallow the jumbo-sized shipping costs!
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Jul 24, 2013 13:51:27 GMT -5
I think vintage diecast has not hit its second peak yet and is being overshadowed by things like SOC, masterpiece and even regular transformers.
Jumbos on the other hand are hitting their rise and doing it rapidly - people have finally realized that supplies of those are pretty much finite - compared to diecast where there is a lot of availability except for a few key pieces. So now everyone that can afford to is scrambling and coming out with guns blazing. Unfortunate for a lot of people IMO.
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Post by bowhntr66 on Jul 24, 2013 13:52:18 GMT -5
Well, I have 27 jumbos on display now with 2 more coming. Not the largest out there, but I guess it's pretty big. I have a semi-understanding Mrs. who still thinks I'm nuts. With no kids at home I have my own "trophy/toy" room, so I have room for those reasons. As for shipping, you either allow for it in the price you pay, or, you want it bad enough that the cost is worth it.
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Post by Dragonclaw on Jul 26, 2013 19:04:38 GMT -5
I think the vintage equivalent has a LOT to do with it. I have friends that have collected nearly as long as I have and once pieces like SOC Godsigma came out they lost all interest in the GoDaiKin. I've stayed with both the SOC and vintage for my diecast, but more modernized pieces certainly got me "upgrading" a lot of my Transformers collection and getting rid of duplicate characters.
If Toynami's Shogun Warriors had kept releasing classic characters as Jumbos I might be FINE with skipping a vintage piece like Leopardon adn Voltes V as long as I could still display a jumbo of the character (I always thought it would have been cool to have Bandai release a Jumbo of the same character they had just released as a SOC to take full advantage of the character being in the public eye.)
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Post by admin1 aka Ed on Aug 13, 2013 15:55:15 GMT -5
Reproductions and remasterings definitely kill top prices....SO, I found that Jumbos don't have good modern day remasterings or bootlegs. SOC toys are excellent remasterings and have changed the $$ side of the vintage diecast hobby. As stated earlier, new collectors love all the features of modern toys....
There is a bit of been-there-done-that in diecast. This said, I find that great vintage diecast, super rare stuff, is just HARD to find. -So there isn't as much chatter with fewer auction sales. Private high end sales are out there though...
Myself, I've been following jumbo sales because they tend to be strong sales on ebay still with demand with public price records. Diecast on ebay has been priced very high....I get turned off by the super high prices.
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