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Post by BIGFIRE on Sept 9, 2016 12:58:32 GMT -5
I personally will enjoy both. One KOB and two GX-71s. LOL. You know to play with one and save the other.
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Post by S_Gokin on Sept 9, 2016 16:03:49 GMT -5
well we don't know exactly when Bandai start working on their Voltron so we can never tell, we also never saw an early prototype for it, all we heard was rumors nothing for sure but the fact that their Voltron came TWO years after the KOB with alot of same ideas, come on guys im sure they took some ideas from the KOB and improved it, the KOB came first so the window of Bandai took ideas from it is wide open 1-the extend legs (yellow and blue lions) 2-two different face plates 3-the wings only deploy from one side 4-matching colors weapons 5-dual swords (but they make it combine to a spear) what more you need lol important note does that mean the SOC Voltron is awful ? not by any chance  we cant judge professionally until we have it in hand along side KOB and trust me the KOB doesn't need us to glorify it, the figure have that already, also ton of reviewers said KOB quality is as SOC quality |
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Post by tturbozx66 on Sept 9, 2016 17:28:19 GMT -5
GX-53 used face plates. As a matter of fact both third party and official MP Transformer have been using face plates for awhile. Even the Toynami SD Voltron uses face plates. It is common nowadays.
As for the extending feet. GX-45, GX-51, GX-48 and a lot more already have extending feet. It's something Bandai have designed into a lot of their SoCs.
The wings. The KoB did better except the gray joint would be better if it was red.
SoCs are usually loaded the with weapons so the fact that Bandai included lance-type spear is no surprise. I wished they included a translucent flaming sword like the KoB.
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Post by jaylive on Sept 9, 2016 18:18:10 GMT -5
I wished they included a translucent flaming sword like the KoB. AH-HA!! thats it! so you admit that the kob is superior!! lol jk |
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Post by xephon0930 on Sept 9, 2016 19:15:51 GMT -5
I for one personally am looking forward to the SoC Voltron as it has that old Godaikin/Chogokin feel of the Popy toy with newer engineering and better proportions to help more match the anime whilst balancing it all for every mode and not just Voltron.
The addition of the individual Lion Weapons are also nice and add that with apparently the accidental reveal of the Go-Lion Attack is possible for the new SoC whilst the Madtoys King of Beasts is stuck with only the usual rocket punch. I would also add that personally, the KOB Voltron head looks a but too big with the Black Lion head that turns into a cowl of sorts makes it look so out of proportion with how big Black Lion's head is.
Add that with some QC issues of the older batch and seeing them with Chachipower's review. Ouch.
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Post by locidm on Sept 9, 2016 20:03:23 GMT -5
As tturbo stated, all five points raised by Saud are things that Bandai had either done in the past in other SOCs way before KOB or simple design or accessory choices that Bandai would normally include. Nothing new in my book.
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Post by S_Gokin on Sept 9, 2016 20:15:12 GMT -5
good points there man, but your are missing the main point which is we are comparing the GX-71 to the KOB, not to any other GX not any MP Transformers and for sure not any SD figures another big point you missed which is all the GXs you mentioned that have extended legs are not combiners, with combiners robots engineering is totally different than non combiners last point you missed those robots are not Legos they just dont change paint and call it a new robot, every robot have his own unique design unless if its an upgraded version of the original robot so engineering wise it wont be as easy to make some robots and make them articulated some robots Bandai did are the only modern version you can find for that robot like Voltes V, Daimos, Godsigma etc and those are Bandai first no other company did that, look at Mazinger z no other company can even touch Bandai GX-01 or new GX-70 and of course the DX in those releases Bandai was flexing some serious muscles there you know lol in the other hand look to other robots Bandai did lately like the GX-68, almost immediately people jump to compare it with the CMs version which Bandai win it easily, their version topped the CMs and i agree Bandai pack their figures with ton of accessories, so does MT the KOB came with 5 swords man 5 sword along with two extra weapons for the black lion that we didn't saw before in a modern Volton, i also wish if they add more versions of the Blazing sword so far for me personally the KOB is all i wanted in Voltron if Bandai took some of his features and put it in their own i wont mind that at all, however if the GX-71 have a limited articulation like the older SOCs and cant do or hold the high kick pose i will be really disappointed locidm cool man no one called me by my first name before lol  |
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Post by tturbozx66 on Sept 9, 2016 21:32:37 GMT -5
I think you missed the point. The point was that these are Bandai designs that they used before and will continue to use in the future, combiner or not. There are only so many ways you can have ankle tilt on lions that are used as feet/legs. Conjectures are not facts. For the record, the feet extension of KoB are useless. The degree of tilt is so minimal they could have done without it. I rathered it have the lions head rotate, which they fixed in the upcoming release(or not release.) The lion legs are still needed for any type of dynamic pose.
And the GX-45 body/design is used in other SoCs. If you owned them you would know. |
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Post by S_Gokin on Sept 10, 2016 0:32:43 GMT -5
i didn't miss anything my friend, Bandai didnt do an extended legs for any combiner before (correct me if im wrong), example the GX-60 GodSigma doesn't have that while they SRC version have it, like i said engineering come first in combiners not articulation the GX-71 is the first SOC combiner to have that
and if there was so many ways to make the ankle tilt why Bandai didn't come up with a new better way than the KOB ? also if the extension on the KOB are useless why Toynami Voltron cant do half of the poses the KOB do ?
those extension allowed me to do some very decent poses close to the Mattel Blazing Sword Voltron, so in my opinion there are VERY useful
also im very sure you can tilt the extend part of the legs side to side and with moving the lion head you will make sure the KOB will hold it pose solidly even after you pick it up
lastly i dont recall any SOC that shared the same GX-45 body design maybe the SOC GX-44 but that came before it and it have a limited legs articulation, so its not exactly the same
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Post by tturbozx66 on Sept 10, 2016 1:07:25 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Bandai has done extending ankle/feet on a combiner or not. The point is they have designed extending feet before. Most of their combiners are statues and the design of those already allows for some ankle tilt so there is no need for extensions. Voltron is different. Black lion being the body and thighs allows for more articulation therefore some ankle tilt is necessary. And I said there are only so many ways, meaning there are limited design choices, not there are a lot of ways to design the ankle tilt. I don't care why Toynami has limited articulation. It's Toynami, enough said. Same mold used for 10years.
And Nope, I just checked my KoB again. The extending ankle and tilt is useless. Maybe 5 degrees of tilt and that's being generous. When I said I wish the lions heads turn, I don't mean left and right. I want them to be leveled with the ground and give the appearance of ankle tilt. Something the Toynami got right.
GX-51, gx-52, gx-44 and in some ways the mazinger SRCs share the same body/design.
Oh and Tryder G7 also has swappable faceplates. Bandai must have travelled to the future and stole that idea from Tony.
And for the record, SoC Danguard Ace has extending feet and it is a combiner.
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Post by framigoiou on Sept 10, 2016 2:24:24 GMT -5
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Post by S_Gokin on Sept 10, 2016 7:32:41 GMT -5
before you replay man read what im saying because we keep going in the same circle how come it doesn't matter a combiner or not ? its the main point in this discussion combiners are not like solid one piece robot figures thought about the GX-62 (awesome engineering btw) but its more like a hip joint not in the actual legs, so i exclude it i guess you didn't know how to pose your KOB right, i love those extensions and took full advantage from it in posing the figure for me there is a need for those extensions, a tilt ankle just wont cut it look at the GX-50 Combattler V and i mentioned Toynami in the discussion because you made it sound like what MT did with the KOB was super easy which is not true, for a new company they raised up the bar very high with their excellent engineered combiner figure as for the GX-51 and GX-52 you are right they have the same legs design with the collapsing panels, sadly there are only like 5 SOCs which have that leg design in all of the GXs, i found that they used it more in the SRC line in general not just the Mazingers lastly Bandai did different face plates and different heads no doubt about that, but why they are giving the GX-71 an extra face plate ? because MT did it and people liked it  free market research |
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Post by tturbozx66 on Sept 10, 2016 8:08:00 GMT -5
before you replay man read what im saying because we keep going in the same circle how come it doesn't matter a combiner or not ? its the main point in this discussion combiners are not like solid one piece robot figures thought about the GX-62 (awesome engineering btw) but its more like a hip joint not in the actual legs, so i exclude it i guess you didn't know how to pose your KOB right, i love those extensions and took full advantage from it in posing the figure for me there is a need for those extensions, a tilt ankle just wont cut it look at the GX-50 Combattler V and i mentioned Toynami in the discussion because you made it sound like what MT did with the KOB was super easy which is not true, for a new company they raised up the bar very high with their excellent engineered combiner figure as for the GX-51 and GX-52 you are right they have the same legs design with the collapsing panels, sadly there are only like 5 SOCs which have that leg design in all of the GXs, i found that they used it more in the SRC line in general not just the Mazingers lastly Bandai did different face plates and different heads no doubt about that, but why they are giving the GX-71 an extra face plate ? because MT did it and people liked it free market research
Let me simplify this for you so you can understand.
You: Bandai took ideas from Kob, like faceplate, extending ankles Me: No Bandai has giving us those before in previous SoCs. You: blah blah blah...Toynami this, no SoC combiner has used extensions for ankle tilt. Me: Danguard ace does and Bandai has used feet extensions in other SoCs, meaning the idea is not new. You: GX-62 extends at hips, not feet. You are wrong. Feel free to admit it because you are. You: Why did Bandai give GX-71 an extra face plate? Why not? They have used face plates before on other SoCs and this is not new to them. They didn't borrow the idea from KoB. Get it? If anything they borrowed from their previous SoCs. To Say that they are only giving an extra face because KoB did it is pretty stupid. Using your logic can we say KoB stole the idea from SoC Daitarn 3 and Tryder G7?
This look like hips to you? Eyes checked?
Here are some pics of my KoB. Can you please give me your expert advice on using the 5 degree of ankle tilt?
imgur.com/a/SG3Bo
Show me a pose that cannot be done without the minor ankle tilt.
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Post by faelon on Sept 10, 2016 9:46:24 GMT -5
The difference is Bandai is involved this time, and they have the full license. East and West. Voltron and GoLion. And Bandai has an amazingly effective policy regarding this sort of thing. If you as a merchant, ever want to order or sell Bandai product now or in the future, you do not violate Bandai's licenses or IP. They will cut you off if they find you dealing 3p bootlegs of their licenses. Or if they find you are risking their license by dealing in ways that violate it. Case in point why you cannot buy SHFA Star Wars or Bandai Star Wars Model Kits from HLJ. HLJ is technically exclusively a North American dealer/distributor. Their selling those lines into that market risked a conflict between Bandai and Hasbro. Bandai quickly and politely let them know that this was a no no. No more Star Wars into NA! Or else! Assuming that SHFA stands for SH Figuarts? HLJ is still Selling SHFiguarts to NA (North America) customers. There is no crease and decease order. I can go to their website and buy them right now. Same for the model kits. They don't have any Star Wars model kits in stock but they can and will continue to sell them to North America customers. BBTS will also import Star Wars SHFiguarts. Both Bandai and Hasbro have licenses to produce and sell Star War merchandise. There's no conflict between the two companies. They are making different products. Each region creates merchandise tailored to what they forecast will sell and profit from their region. For NA or USA, retailers can use Bluefin to get Japanese region imports. Not all retailers in the USA/NA is willing to do so. Which is why we don't see SHFiguarts at Target, TRU and Walmart. It does not mean that these retailer are prohibited to sell these imports. In the past, TRU did sell SHFiguarts Power Ranger figures. They probably stop due to the lack of sales. Some local comic store do use bluefin so they can get those import figures. AmazonUSA will also sell you these import figures. I can buy imported Star Wars merchandise at my local comic store, but I don't cause the mark up is way high. I don't believe they ever got hit with a C&D per se. They were informed by Bandai that they had to stop selling certain Star Wars related products into North America, at least within a certain period of the movie. I think the root of the complaint was actually from Revel-Monogram over the model kits. But for awhile the SHFA figures got swept up in the caution too. HLG seems to be stocking the figures again, although the prices make me suspect that there is some behind the scenes games going on whereby they must price them as retail purchased and manually imported figures, much like BBTS does. The huge flag for the Star Wars figs is they cannot be looped through the North American Distributor Bluefin. (An easy way to see if a subject can be distributed in North America is to look at BBTS. If the price of a figure seems obscene or double what you would expect, it is a figure that cannot be carried or stocked by Bluefin, thus BBTS must retail purchase it in Japan and then import it.) It's not a matter of "SHFiguarts" figures. Most of them can be imported no problem. Heck Barnes and Noble stocked the Batman ones. It depends on the terms of the license of the IP being depicted. Of course TRU would stock Power Rangers without an issue. Bandai makes both the SHFA and the US Bandai-America retail figs. TRU stopped stocking them because TRU's business model does not account well for expensive "Adult Collector" targeted merchandise. So to them t he SHFA are overpriced kids toys that move badly. (We see this blind spot of TRU's in a lot of our beloved lines such as Gokin or Masterpiece Transformers. Even when a product sells well if it is attracting the "wrong sort" of customer demographic they will kill the line.) |
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Post by BIGFIRE on Sept 10, 2016 11:59:40 GMT -5
Turbox66 those are some nice pictures. I like it.
Hopefully one day soon I'll be able to post pictures of mine and join the ranks of those who have a KOB!!!
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Post by tturbozx66 on Sept 10, 2016 13:05:10 GMT -5
Turbox66 those are some nice pictures. I like it. Hopefully one day soon I'll be able to post pictures of mine and join the ranks of those who have a KOB!!! Thanks. I think you will enjoy the figure. Hopefully, you will get the Voltron version with all the improvements and not the KoB version. Either way post up some pic when you get it. |
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Post by crpdiablos on Sept 10, 2016 21:56:11 GMT -5
I always thought bandai or guys from.bandai had a hand in releasing the dairugger and the beast King. Two never before heard of companies release 2 of the best figures ever made. Where did the experience come from. Bandai couldn't release it so legally ans licensed and they saw the crap tonami has been feeding us and went for it thw only way they could. Toynami made a joke of what bandai had originally made in the 80s and i hope they never get to make another voltron. So if im right mad toys and miracle products were Mad at toynami and wep and created a Miracle for us. I'm not wrong about this and that's why the new voltron has not white faces but the same silver as beast King. Thank you bandai for looking out for us now improve on the dairugger and give us a bad ass soc vehicle voltron. After that I'd love to see a dx style voltron and dairugger of the individual lions and cars. Larger than they are now and combineable and maybe use aluminum instead of plastic where weights an issue
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Post by S_Gokin on Sept 11, 2016 3:07:43 GMT -5
<abbr data-timestamp="1473512880000" class="time" title="Sept 10, 2016 16:08:00 GMT 3">Sept 10, 2016 16:08:00 GMT 3</abbr> tturbozx66 said:
You: Bandai took ideas from Kob, like faceplate, extending ankles Me: No Bandai has giving us those before in previous SoCs. You: blah blah blah...Toynami this, no SoC combiner has used extensions for ankle tilt. Me: Danguard ace does and Bandai has used feet extensions in other SoCs, meaning the idea is not new. You: GX-62 extends at hips, not feet. You are wrong. Feel free to admit it because you are. You: Why did Bandai give GX-71 an extra face plate? Why not? They have used face plates before on other SoCs and this is not new to them. They didn't borrow the idea from KoB. Get it? If anything they borrowed from their previous SoCs. To Say that they are only giving an extra face because KoB did it is pretty stupid. Using your logic can we say KoB stole the idea from SoC Daitarn 3 and Tryder G7?
Here are some pics of my KoB. Can you please give me your expert advice on using the 5 degree of ankle tilt?
imgur.com/a/SG3Bo
Show me a pose that cannot be done without the minor ankle tilt. wow, dude take a chill pill before you faint or something  you know in every discussion when the other guy start going in circles and trash talk the other person its not only a sign of weakens its a sign of losing the discussion as well lets see here, its not my problem if you wont get the different between engineering a huge diecast combiner and engineering a solid one piece robot and you keep missing things, the GX-62 is the smallest combiner in the SOC line its a hair taller than the GX-01R, it get dwarfed by the other combiners in the other line, so engineering it wont be as hard if they make it bigger, that's why it got better articulation even than some non combiners in the line, and those extensions you mentioned are there not going to deny it, but nothing major it wont be hard to design it for it since its a small figure, can GX-62 do a high kick pose and hold it ? no it will collapse easily because they are designed for both feet to be on the ground, if you are going to count these as a legit extensions then you shouldn't go that far in the first place the GX-31V Voltes v have those ! didn't you think why the GX-62 is the ONLY combiner figure with those ? i will save you the thinking because its smaller and less complex than huge diecast combiners (live with it) also im sure you don't know this, but you can pull the leg from the hip joint to extend it so you can have better articulation what about other points i mentioned ? you totally dropped that, the wings have one way to deploy, the color matching weapons for the lions ? all those are MT first, the comparison is between KOB and the GX-71, not the KOB vs the entire SOC line, most of the ideas MT put in the KOB are Voltron FIRST what you don't understand its a business so if a competitor company did something and the people love it, either copy it or try to improve it, exactly like Apple and Samsung last thing never call me stupid, the way i see it you are the stupid person who paid over $250 on something he hate and on top of that you got a QC unit, i got the very first release QCs free and two years later its still QCs free, its like i bought it last night nothing got loose or broken even after i dropped it couple of times, if it was a cheaply made figure like you mentioned it wont survive that long with your attitude i wont show you anything and i got nothing to prove to you, figure it out yourself |
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Post by S_Gokin on Sept 11, 2016 3:08:38 GMT -5
I always thought bandai or guys from.bandai had a hand in releasing the dairugger and the beast King. Two never before heard of companies release 2 of the best figures ever made. Where did the experience come from. Bandai couldn't release it so legally ans licensed and they saw the crap tonami has been feeding us and went for it thw only way they could. Toynami made a joke of what bandai had originally made in the 80s and i hope they never get to make another voltron. So if im right mad toys and miracle products were Mad at toynami and wep and created a Miracle for us. I'm not wrong about this and that's why the new voltron has not white faces but the same silver as beast King. Thank you bandai for looking out for us now improve on the dairugger and give us a bad ass soc vehicle voltron. After that I'd love to see a dx style voltron and dairugger of the individual lions and cars. Larger than they are now and combineable and maybe use aluminum instead of plastic where weights an issue i said the same thing couple of post back, that maybe Bandai have a hand in KOB since the quality is SOC like |
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Post by tturbozx66 on Sept 11, 2016 3:42:14 GMT -5
<abbr data-timestamp="1473512880000" class="time" title="Sept 10, 2016 16:08:00 GMT 3">Sept 10, 2016 16:08:00 GMT 3</abbr> tturbozx66 said:
You: Bandai took ideas from Kob, like faceplate, extending ankles Me: No Bandai has giving us those before in previous SoCs. You: blah blah blah...Toynami this, no SoC combiner has used extensions for ankle tilt. Me: Danguard ace does and Bandai has used feet extensions in other SoCs, meaning the idea is not new. You: GX-62 extends at hips, not feet. You are wrong. Feel free to admit it because you are. You: Why did Bandai give GX-71 an extra face plate? Why not? They have used face plates before on other SoCs and this is not new to them. They didn't borrow the idea from KoB. Get it? If anything they borrowed from their previous SoCs. To Say that they are only giving an extra face because KoB did it is pretty stupid. Using your logic can we say KoB stole the idea from SoC Daitarn 3 and Tryder G7?
Here are some pics of my KoB. Can you please give me your expert advice on using the 5 degree of ankle tilt?
imgur.com/a/SG3Bo
Show me a pose that cannot be done without the minor ankle tilt. wow, dude take a chill pill before you faint or something you know in every discussion when the other guy start going in circles and trash talk the other person its not only a sign of weakens its a sign of losing the discussion as well lets see here, its not my problem if you wont get the different between engineering a huge diecast combiner and engineering a solid one piece robot and you keep missing things, the GX-62 is the smallest combiner in the SOC line its a hair taller than the GX-01R, it get dwarfed by the other combiners in the other line, so engineering it wont be as hard if they make it bigger, that's why it got better articulation even than some non combiners in the line, and those extensions you mentioned are there not going to deny it, but nothing major it wont be hard to design it for it since its a small figure, can GX-62 do a high kick pose and hold it ? no it will collapse easily because they are designed for both feet to be on the ground, if you are going to count these as a legit extensions then you shouldn't go that far in the first place the GX-31V Voltes v have those ! didn't you think why the GX-62 is the ONLY combiner figure with those ? i will save you the thinking because its smaller and less complex than huge diecast combiners (live with it) also im sure you don't know this, but you can pull the leg from the hip joint to extend it so you can have better articulation what about other points i mentioned ? you totally dropped that, the wings have one way to deploy, the color matching weapons for the lions ? all those are MT first, the comparison is between KOB and the GX-71, not the KOB vs the entire SOC line, most of the ideas MT put in the KOB are Voltron FIRST what you don't understand its a business so if a competitor company did something and the people love it, either copy it or try to improve it, exactly like Apple and Samsung last thing never call me stupid, the way i see it you are the stupid person who paid over $250 on something he hate and on top of that you got a QC unit, i got the very first release QCs free and two years later its still QCs free, its like i bought it last night nothing got loose or broken even after i dropped it couple of times, if it was a cheaply made figure like you mentioned it wont survive that long with your attitude i wont show you anything and i got nothing to prove to you, figure it out yourself Just as I suspected. You can't come up with facts to rebuke and wrote a bunch of rubbish. That seems to be the theme with you. But hey, at least you are an expert in everything in your own mind. 😂 I finally figured it out. I hurt your feelings when I said I don't think the KoB is worth $250+ and felt cheapish. Relax kid. It's just toys. Don't have a heart attack. |
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