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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 15, 2016 18:32:10 GMT -5
Ah....thats the designer i really REALLY don't like. Masami Obari...... I like some of his work. On mecha. When it comes to humans, he seems to have gone the way of Rob Liefeld. In fact the two may have a lot in common even in just art-wise. Yeah....Rob Liefeld. Another artist who ruined many young immpressionables. Truely aweful. But i would say the same thing about Piccaso so what do i know.... |
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Post by bader on Aug 16, 2016 15:26:22 GMT -5
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Post by kongfupanda on Aug 17, 2016 0:01:08 GMT -5
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Post by kongfupanda on Aug 17, 2016 0:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by kongfupanda on Aug 17, 2016 2:42:35 GMT -5
If the marketing investigators and designers of Bandai will read this forum ,I hope they can read my suggestions carefully. If someone are unpleasant with my critical comments, please skip my post. I don't mean there to be any unpleasantness, what I want is an outstanding soc voltron.
These days I talked with over 100 collectors on the main forums, many of them are unsatisfied with GX71 soc voltron.The following comments are concluded by us. There are three shortcomings about this product.
First, the face of voltron is too ugly and thin,which makes him look so treacherous and devious.Compared with the handsome face of GX13 DANCOUGA, the face of soc voltron looks like a puppet sculpture.The eyes are so dull and protruding which make him look like a patient. Bandai,please give voltron a handsome face and delicate facial features!
Additionaly, the proportion between the face and chest is not so good.A tiny face placed on a huge chest looks very odd.It is better to make the face bigger and more full to fit the huge chest.
Why Bandai didnËŠt make voltronËŠs face more full? I think they made the head of black lion too small ,so there isnËŠt enough room for the face of voltron.If the head of black lion is a little bigger ,they can improve this problem.
Second,the waist of voltron is too thick, which makes him look so bulky.If his waist is thinner,definitely the body shape will be more better.
Third, the proportion of limbs of voltron is not proper.The arms(red and green lions) are too bulky and long ,which makes him look like a gorilla or Popeye.The legs(blue and yellow lions) are too slim. If the designers of Bandai can adjust the propotion ,the upper body will look more compact, the whole body will seem taller and stronger like other famous robots such as gx 40 Godmars and gx 60 Godsigma.
Needless to say how important voltron is around the world, If Bandai insists on doing this job in a half-hearted way,the famous brand of soul of chogokin will collapse.
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Post by goldorak on Aug 17, 2016 8:38:32 GMT -5
I think the product is final...?
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Post by kamenrider on Aug 17, 2016 8:44:43 GMT -5
KP have you looked at any of the video footage of the figure? Pictures don't do him a lick of good.
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Post by faelon on Aug 17, 2016 13:26:02 GMT -5
Holy Tar Paper Shack Manifesto Batman!
Within the span of a month, after an almost years long lack of news, Bandai announces 2 Holy Grail SOC subjects (and yet another Mazinger...) A true SOC Voltron and Daizyjin... And as usual the boards are littered with cries of "Bandai! You're doing it wrong! I know better!!!" Bloody amazing.
Oh and if Bandai or Takara or Sentinel or any of the producers happen to red these boards...THANK YOU!!! Thank you for your work, your efforts and the clear love and care you put into these subjects that so ring with such dedicated fan bases. Thank you!
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 17, 2016 15:00:12 GMT -5
Def big thank you!
I dare to assume They are as passionate as us fan, if not a fans themselves. As such , I can only hope they understand when we "complaint" or make suggestions we are NOT being ungrateful....
One thing is for certain tho, Bandai IS wrong on the scale of the head thats moved WAY back towards the back on this robot. I hope its just posed wrong... Also arguably, wishing lion legs gone when transformed to Voltron IS VERY reasonable After decades hopeing the current engineering could have somehow resolved this issue.
Again, thank you, but theres always room for improvements on these wonderful releases. Nothings perfect and as such complaints for improvement should be welcomed by ANY selfrespecting company.
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Post by boricua on Aug 17, 2016 15:48:03 GMT -5
why cant bandai get designers like the 3rd party masterpiece transformer figures have? those transformers look like they jumped out of the television!
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Post by faelon on Aug 17, 2016 17:35:54 GMT -5
why cant bandai get designers like the 3rd party masterpiece transformer figures have? those transformers look like they jumped out of the television! Actually most of the 3p Transformers tend to draw more from the IDW comics. And deliberately stear clear if the animation designs. After all when you are dancing on the raggedy edge of using somebody else's IP, who would you rather be dealing with? A small independent New York comic publisher or the combined lawyerly might of Tomy/Takara, Hasbro and Marvel/Disney? Bandai also runs into the same issue with the SOC's that Takara bumps into with the MP Transformers. The Adult collector products are tasked to service two sources the original classic toys and the classic animation. All while updating them to modern design levels. 3p offerings do not do this. All the the arguing about things like the Lion legs on Voltron keeps reminding me of some of the absurd arguments that crop up in the SciFi plastic modeling communities. For some reason so many of these modelers fail to grasp that when modeling purely fictional things, any given subject will have three forms. You can model the subject as the actual filming model was in real life. You can model it as it appears on screen, (often wildly different from what the physical model looks like once you account for differing perspectives, lighting, color shifts and cgi, etc) or you can model it as the thing being represented. The Spaceship or similar, as it would look if it was conjecturaly real. And here's the thing. Even though the modelers will fight like cats in a sack nonstop, the truth is they are all right. It's just a matter of which specific subject the modeler prefers. For or most of our robot related issues it is exactly the same thing. It's a matter of preference, perspective and what the manufacturer is choosing to model or recreate. Which is the more accurate classic Voltron? The streamlined animation line art designed to miniseries drawing tasks and cut production costs? Or the physical toys that a generation of fans held in their hand every day? The truth is they both are. We see the same thing with complaints about head sizes in giant robots. Yeah sometimes it feels off, but the truth is the head size is tied into those annoying ever changing on screen scales of the robots. The head would shrink or grow depending on how they wanted to artificially force the perspective or attempt to give an increased size or gravitas to the robots. They kargely kept that up until the advent of the "real robot" anime's. There is no right answer. There is just pov and preference. |
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 17, 2016 19:34:55 GMT -5
If we just took what they gave us without complaint, we probably wont have many improvements on our beloved figures.
For example, DX Mazinger elbows, which is fixed on Great is mostly due to whiners.
Innumerable improvements on Fewture EX figs? Complainers.....again most likely.
Example Outside of toys?.....iPhones, Automobiles of all brands, All Computer OSs, virtually all video games.
They all need whinning, complaints, suggestions.
And Companies NEED feedbacks.... Both positive and negative. Thats how they gauge.
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Post by Philo Beddoe on Aug 17, 2016 21:00:36 GMT -5
Tax kills this one for me.  |
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Post by xephon0930 on Aug 17, 2016 21:02:48 GMT -5
I would like to believe that the proportions they chose is sort of a compromise to make all the forms look balanced in terms of asthetic design.
There are the individual lions as well as the combined Voltron to worry about and making the upper legs if Voltron taller may interfere with the basic look of Black Lion. There is also the issue with the chrome lion limbs for the combined mode but I think the anime look is to cut corners so they would not have to animate the silver legs whenever Voltron is combined.
Add that with past feedback from past "Masterpiece" Voltron offerings, I think Bandai Tamashii is also using some of those criticisms such as say, the Toynami Voltron to help mold this figure.
Granted I was not born yet when Voltron was the big thing of the 80s so I could not really add into any personal attachments to the character other than me marathoning various series such as the 3rd Dimension and the original cut, Go-Lion.
While I do understand adding in feedback to help better these designs from my time in the Rangerboard whenever talking about Legacy items so I do hope the final product is worth the wait.
As for me, I never bothered to pick up any of the Voltron toys and this SoC looks to be as definitive to my eyes as the version of Voltron I will want in my collection.
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Post by tturbozx66 on Aug 17, 2016 21:05:30 GMT -5
If we just took what they gave us without complaint, we probably wont have many improvements on our beloved figures. For example, DX Mazinger elbows, which is fixed on Great is mostly due to whiners. Innumerable improvements on Fewture EX figs? Complainers.....again most likely. Example Outside of toys?.....iPhones, Automobiles of all brands, All Computer OSs, virtually all video games. They all need whinning, complaints, suggestions. And Companies NEED feedbacks.... Both positive and negative. Thats how they gauge. Aesthetics versus flaws. You can argue the DX elbows were flawed. All complaints here for Voltron are about Aesthetics. Everyone has a different perspective on Aesthetics and what Voltron should look like and source material varies and as mentioned there is also toy versus anime.
Outside of toys examples all have incremental models of the same device. Improvements are not made until subsequent releases. This rarely happens with SOCs outside of Mazingers and a few others. So even with all this complaining, right or wrong, we are not going to see changes with this iteration of Voltron from Bandai.
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Post by f360 on Aug 17, 2016 21:21:01 GMT -5
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Post by tturbozx66 on Aug 17, 2016 21:25:21 GMT -5
Sorry but this item is currently unavailable. Looks like it sold out. |
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 17, 2016 21:44:05 GMT -5
If we just took what they gave us without complaint, we probably wont have many improvements on our beloved figures. For example, DX Mazinger elbows, which is fixed on Great is mostly due to whiners. Innumerable improvements on Fewture EX figs? Complainers.....again most likely. Example Outside of toys?.....iPhones, Automobiles of all brands, All Computer OSs, virtually all video games. They all need whinning, complaints, suggestions. And Companies NEED feedbacks.... Both positive and negative. Thats how they gauge. Aesthetics versus flaws. You can argue the DX elbows were flawed. All complaints here for Voltron are about Aesthetics. Everyone has a different perspective on Aesthetics and what Voltron should look like and source material varies and as mentioned there is also toy versus anime.
Outside of toys examples all have incremental models of the same device. Improvements are not made until subsequent releases. This rarely happens with SOCs outside of Mazingers and a few others. So even with all this complaining, right or wrong, we are not going to see changes with this iteration of Voltron from Bandai.
Why bother complaining if nothings going to change? Complaining or constructive crticism still might help.... If you want a definative example of asthetics change due to fan voice and look to SRC Grendizer. This ofcourse is an exception rather then norm, but it proves things happen. Yes, it MIGHT be too late for Voltron. But Considering the pending release of Voltron and Dinozord, never say never. We still got four months till Voltron release. Many of nay sayers gave up on SOC Voltron yet here we are. |
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Post by f360 on Aug 17, 2016 21:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by tturbozx66 on Aug 17, 2016 21:59:06 GMT -5
Aesthetics versus flaws. You can argue the DX elbows were flawed. All complaints here for Voltron are about Aesthetics. Everyone has a different perspective on Aesthetics and what Voltron should look like and source material varies and as mentioned there is also toy versus anime.
Outside of toys examples all have incremental models of the same device. Improvements are not made until subsequent releases. This rarely happens with SOCs outside of Mazingers and a few others. So even with all this complaining, right or wrong, we are not going to see changes with this iteration of Voltron from Bandai.
Why bother complaining if nothings going to change? Complaining or constructive crticism still might help.... If you want a definative example of asthetics change due to fan voice and look to SRC Grendizer. This ofcourse is an exception rather then norm, but it proves things happen. Yes, it MIGHT be too late for Voltron. But Considering the pending release of Voltron and Dinozord, never say never. We still got four months till Voltron release. Many of nay sayers gave up on SOC Voltron yet here we are. Constructive criticism yes. Like how SOC Voltes needs ratchets for the hips. Like how every SoC could use more ratchets like how more third party TFs are using. Complaining on a message board where there is no prove that any Bandai reps are even following about how a figure should look is not constructive criticism. It's personal opinion. And it's just venting...nothing wrong with that as longer as it's not every other post then it gets tiresome.
These boards are not the same of TF boards where third parties are active on the forums. I would think the best place to offer "constructive" criticism would be at trade conventions? where there are actually Reps available?
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