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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 17, 2016 22:32:58 GMT -5
I do see your point on every other post being about same concern can be tiresome.
But please understand many different members do voice out a same concern at different time...
I will not mention the head issue going forward as i prob used up my welcome by now .
About the rep, i respectfully disagree.
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Post by Philo Beddoe on Aug 17, 2016 23:15:51 GMT -5
Yup, good suggestion...but I did order from them when the coupon was still good. I think I paid $256 or so. Just looking for more is all. I usually try to order multiples.  |
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Post by Chen on Aug 18, 2016 6:13:41 GMT -5
This figure is pretty much set in stone, with possible tiny tweaks being made at the last minute. But asking Bandai to totally re-design the figure is absurd especially with only four months to go even if the criticism is warranted. Ultimately vote with your dollars, if your not happy with the final product don't buy it. I know the huge anticipation of this figure for however many years has created expectations so high that nothing Bandai could release would please all fans. At the end of the day let's get final PRODUCTION copies in the hands of trusted reviewers and fans, and see how the toy feels in your HANDS and in front of your EYES. What you think you like or don't like can change drastically when you actually have the piece in front of you and you start fiddling with it. Perception does not equal reality.
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Post by boricua on Aug 18, 2016 10:05:02 GMT -5
people that say a thing from a cartoon cant be done in action figure or model are wrong. saying that as long as it represents what the robot or spaceship looks like on screen is just a way of taking the easy way out and being lazy in the designing stage. voltron's legs could be hidden, or replaced by panels. the sculpting could be made perfectly matched to the show, even if parts have to be changed, and that is nothing new to bandai either. these days its possible to make anything into a toy that looks like it jumped out of the screen. it may cost more than a common star wars figure, but it can be done. yes, give this companies your opinion of their products with your business and you complaints. they are smart enough to do what is best for their sales.
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Post by faelon on Aug 18, 2016 11:02:21 GMT -5
If we just took what they gave us without complaint, we probably wont have many improvements on our beloved figures. For example, DX Mazinger elbows, which is fixed on Great is mostly due to whiners. Innumerable improvements on Fewture EX figs? Complainers.....again most likely. Example Outside of toys?.....iPhones, Automobiles of all brands, All Computer OSs, virtually all video games. They all need whinning, complaints, suggestions. And Companies NEED feedbacks.... Both positive and negative. Thats how they gauge. Aesthetics versus flaws. You can argue the DX elbows were flawed. All complaints here for Voltron are about Aesthetics. Everyone has a different perspective on Aesthetics and what Voltron should look like and source material varies and as mentioned there is also toy versus anime.
Outside of toys examples all have incremental models of the same device. Improvements are not made until subsequent releases. This rarely happens with SOCs outside of Mazingers and a few others. So even with all this complaining, right or wrong, we are not going to see changes with this iteration of Voltron from Bandai.
Flaws are fairly objective. I think everyone can agree when the arms fall off your $500 giant robot it's a bad thing. That's fairly cut and dry. That sort of feedback is 100% needed and appreciated by all. Even the manufacturer. Aesthetics however is subjective. It's all your opinion. This is not to say that your opinion is without merit. But do please accept that it is your opinion, that others opinions will vary, and that it is important to respect others opinions as you hope others do yours. Reporting of feedback on aesthetic issues is very very different from technical issues. Loud obnoxious insistence on your aesthetic views tends to drive off the people that really benefit from seeing the technical complaintes. Bandai needs to know when we find the joints have problems. Whether or not we think their robot is too fat when matched to a single cell of an anime is moderately pointless for them. They will take a vague feeling for how well they captured the character. But the loudest most insistent voice doesn't win in those cases. It just insures that nobodies voice ends up getting heard, as it guarantees those in production will simply stop listening. Tell Bandai what you like about a robot. Tell them what you dislike. Or what doesn't match your mental picture. But don't shout down everyone else or crusade that your view is the only correct or accurate one. And certainly do not publish pages worth of ravings and plans showing everybody how they are doing it wrong. The artist, sculptor and designer are matching their product to how they perceive the subject. From their viewing and study of the same source material you are. Their design decisions are based on their perceptions (with a healthy dose of engineering realities thrown in. That is important.) Please do take the time to respect the designers vision. Their perceptions and pov. Even when they do not line up 100% with your own. They may view a different animation cell than your favorite as their preferred source. They may have their hands on or be working off the original animators templates (which clearly were not referenced a lot by the hard pressed animation departments in many of these shows.) And finally recognize that you are also dealing with a different cultural mindset. Things like continuity and exacting recreation of that single frame of detail are far less important to the Japanese designer, than it is to capture the sum total soul or feel of the whole subject. That precise quest for 100% accuracy to some specific target image is a very Western thing. The Eastern is the design will flow in service to the whole. Thus we get the wildly varying proportions and anime magic to begin with. It doesn't upset them the way it does some of us. And yes Bandai likely could design Voltrons lion legs to disappear. Leaving them visible is likely an aesthetic decision in service to the soul or the feel of the robot rather than once again enslave it to one cell of cheaply made rushed animation. They feel that the visible legs are an important detail element that communicates Voltron. Something that makes it distinct in its physical form. Part of that which makes Voltron Voltron. That is the classic look the designer was going for. Those external visible shiny chrome legs were important to them. |
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Post by gravewolf on Aug 18, 2016 12:20:04 GMT -5
I think we can all agree that the released pictures of voltron is the final product considering it will be a few months before it is released. Some companies do add a disclaimer about a figure not being the final product but there isn't one on the latest pictures of voltron or as far as i know. I do feel that some of the criticisms are valid but there's nothing else we can do as it is Bandai who has the final say in what they will release, but it is also the consumers right to reject or accept this rendition of voltron. Take it or leave it is all we can do at this point. Go Lion was one of my favorite toys as a child and I probably will buy this once I verify that the figure has little to no flaws in the combination. I doubt any company can please every consumer out there as people have so many different demands that it's impossible to do everything perfectly.
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Post by junktea1 on Aug 18, 2016 13:25:31 GMT -5
OMG - I missed the pre-order. Should I wait or find another website? Sometimes there is an oversupply and the price drops
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 18, 2016 13:30:06 GMT -5
I think BBTS and Amazons still accepting preo, if not Id wait.
This is a wide release.
Theres a very good chance more will be available closer to the release date.
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Post by xephon0930 on Aug 18, 2016 13:59:55 GMT -5
Yeah. I am waiting on reviews of this guy before I get him for real.
I will be hounding channels such as Odean, RocketPunchArmy and so on.
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Post by boricua on Aug 18, 2016 20:49:38 GMT -5
some like newer versions of the old toys, but others like figures that actually look like the tv characters. with this voltron, bandai went for the old toy look, not the tv look, just like every other company has because it is less work and will still make them money. i much rather have the tv look figure, since I don't care for the old toys looks.
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Post by S_Gokin on Aug 19, 2016 0:05:20 GMT -5
first off we are talking about Bandai here a bad product or even 10 wont kill or harm the SOC in any way (im not saying this release is bad), they are doing so good not just in figures business but in many business they have also, don't forget Mazinger Z sales will cover any loses that if they have any
and again we are talking about Bandai they KNOW what they doing guys, so maybe this Voltron isn't for every one, but its Voltron they know how popular he is, maybe after some time they will release an anime color version then an R version an SRC version, how many Voltron Toynami did and all sold well even with the awful QCs ?
i honestly dont trust promo pictures or promo talk, and i dont think the figure on the display is the same as the final product, but guys judging (killing) this Voltron before even holding it in hands is not fair at all
for me i think its a beautiful figure, it need a little work here and there but maybe that little work is done already in the final product so i will save my opinion on it till i get it and compare it with the KOB
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Post by Chen on Aug 19, 2016 6:33:28 GMT -5
Obviously if Bandai wanted to they could have made this Voltron anime accurate with a ton of optional parts like they have before, I think it's pretty clear from the press releases and promo material that this SOC was designed with the intention of re-creating the old Godaikin toy with all it's flaws for a new generation who never experienced the original and the older generation who had the original figure. I have mixed feelings, I would love a anime accurate Voltron but at the same time the original left a HUGE impact on me (like G1 Optimus and the 1/55 VF's) that I would love to re-capture that feeling again. At this stage in my life of collecting, I'm no longer looking for little anime accurate trophies I can keep on my shelf, but instead I'm looking for that feeling of being a kid and experiencing the wonder and joy of a brand new toy. I guess I've changed from being a Japanese anime accurate "trophy" collector to just being a TOY collector like I was when I was 12, and I'm fine with that.
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Post by faelon on Aug 19, 2016 10:10:33 GMT -5
first off we are talking about Bandai here a bad product or even 10 wont kill or harm the SOC in any way (im not saying this release is bad), they are doing so good not just in figures business but in many business they have also, don't forget Mazinger Z sales will cover any loses that if they have any and again we are talking about Bandai they KNOW what they doing guys, so maybe this Voltron isn't for every one, but its Voltron they know how popular he is, maybe after some time they will release an anime color version then an R version an SRC version, how many Voltron Toynami did and all sold well even with the awful QCs ? i honestly dont trust promo pictures or promo talk, and i dont think the figure on the display is the same as the final product, but guys judging (killing) this Voltron before even holding it in hands is not fair at all for me i think its a beautiful figure, it need a little work here and there but maybe that little work is done already in the final product so i will save my opinion on it till i get it and compare it with the KOB The figure on display and the less refined one shown in the videos would appear to be production mock ups, largely of plastic. But they do look like finalized designs. There may be some subtle differences with the final release product but those will more likely be elements of fit and finish or corrections of minor issues found in production. What we see there are the final shapes and configurations of the parts. |
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Post by gravewolf on Aug 19, 2016 12:59:16 GMT -5
Obviously if Bandai wanted to they could have made this Voltron anime accurate with a ton of optional parts like they have before, I think it's pretty clear from the press releases and promo material that this SOC was designed with the intention of re-creating the old Godaikin toy with all it's flaws for a new generation who never experienced the original and the older generation who had the original figure. I have mixed feelings, I would love a anime accurate Voltron but at the same time the original left a HUGE impact on me (like G1 Optimus and the 1/55 VF's) that I would love to re-capture that feeling again. At this stage in my life of collecting, I'm no longer looking for little anime accurate trophies I can keep on my shelf, but instead I'm looking for that feeling of being a kid and experiencing the wonder and joy of a brand new toy. I guess I've changed from being a Japanese anime accurate "trophy" collector to just being a TOY collector like I was when I was 12, and I'm fine with that. I agree, I only started collection robot figures again because I missed my old gokins I lost as a child. As long as this Voltron is heavy, durable and fun to combine then it's good enough for me. The lion legs exposed in his combined form doesn't even bother me as I'm used to it as I also had the Go Lion toy as a kid. People complain about it yet even the other toy manufacturers also released voltrons with exposed lion legs. I guess it can't be helped too because the Soc line has a high reputation for for engineering. As a toy designer myself I do have an idea why it's not so easy to cover up those legs or have them removed. Since the lions are made up of metal having the legs removable might loosen up the pegs and also the possibility of having some of the legs lost. If you cover up the legs then it would result in added bulk to some of the areas which may affect the look of voltron. |
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 19, 2016 14:10:40 GMT -5
See, i get that.
As long as it looks good, i dont mind either way...
But i understand the other side too.
We had many Gokin voltrons..
Including Bandais own who started it all!
What few bros are saying IS, they waited all this time to fix all the things Bandai couldnt resolve decades ago....
based on the photos, Bandai seemingly chose to just revist it...albeit its a vast improvement over the original.
Bandai is one of the best when it comes to toy engineering, if not the best.
So Don't count out on the cover or replaceable parts till you have it in your hand.
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Post by xephon0930 on Aug 19, 2016 14:24:30 GMT -5
See, i get that. As long as it looks good, i dont mind either way... But i understand the other side too. We had many Gokin voltrons.. Including Bandais own who started it all! What few bros are saying IS, they waited all this time to fix all the things Bandai couldnt resolve decades ago.... based on the photos, Bandai seemingly chose to just revist it...albeit its a vast improvement over the original. Bandai is one of the best when it comes to toy engineering, if not the best. So Don't count out on the cover or replaceable parts till you have it in your hand. My only issue is at times they do feel like they are exploitative of their consumer-base(Sentai/Kamen Rider SH Figuarts, Premium Exclusives not being easy for foreigners, Gundam in the USA market)as well as them struggling to stay in touch with their fanbase especially a few years back. But when they deliver, they deliver. |
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Post by gravewolf on Aug 19, 2016 15:03:32 GMT -5
See, i get that. As long as it looks good, i dont mind either way... But i understand the other side too. We had many Gokin voltrons.. Including Bandais own who started it all! What few bros are saying IS, they waited all this time to fix all the things Bandai couldnt resolve decades ago.... based on the photos, Bandai seemingly chose to just revist it...albeit its a vast improvement over the original. Bandai is one of the best when it comes to toy engineering, if not the best. So Don't count out on the cover or replaceable parts till you have it in your hand. I doubt anyone would complain if Bandai is able to hide the legs. Funny thing is even if Bandai is able to pull it off some people will complain that it's not a perfect transformation if you need to remove or attach covers. Lets just say it's hard to satisfy everyone. |
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Post by S_Gokin on Aug 19, 2016 15:34:29 GMT -5
yes i understand that what i meant is the dark colors and the awful paint are not as good as the promo and i guess they are not the final colors yet, dont forget Bandai was working on this long ago so i think there is alot of prototypes the sculpt is questionable but i dont find it as awful as some members think |
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Post by coldiron on Aug 19, 2016 23:22:15 GMT -5
I wonder if we might see an src that Is anime accurate
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Post by reVolVer on Aug 20, 2016 6:38:31 GMT -5
KP have you looked at any of the video footage of the figure? Pictures don't do him a lick of good. nice.. im liking what im seeing in this footage.. proportions not that too bad.. not saying its accurate.. but undoubtly the closest to anime voltron so far.. reposting from another page..     |
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