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Post by IronMonKey on Feb 9, 2018 9:27:12 GMT -5
Just curious to everyones thoughts in reference to vintage popy or Godaikin series 1, 2 and 3 and the value they will bring in years to come. The question comes about secondary to my fathers 1956 Chevy, beautiful car, top notch. Its value has actually decreased from just 5 years ago. Many of these vintage cars are cheaper to purchase and the theory is that the “younger generation” have no interest in them as they did not grow up with these cars. No passion for these types of cars.
Do you foresee the same situation happening with these vintage robots in the future or will they continue to gain value over time and why?
Have a good one.
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Feb 9, 2018 9:52:58 GMT -5
I agree. As time goes on stuff will hit its peak, the only stuff that may hold the value well is super perfect/unused items or the super rare stuff. Usually what happens as we age is that people will pay less for things as there may be less collectors around, not many new collectors, people lose interest or other things take priority etc. This is what is happening with my dad and some of his collection of 1960's slot cars.
Another big thing is wealth or disposable income. If you're rich, you'll still probably spend a lot on your hobby if you still collect because it won't matter to you. If you are just a regular guy, as long as you're expenses are reasonable and/or you're retired, you'll probably still buy a reasonable amount of stuff. If your expenses later in life get high, you may buy less, and others in general just may lose interest and stop collecting and basically sell whatever they have left before they have no value (if their kids don't want the stuff for example).
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Post by deculture on Feb 10, 2018 11:46:35 GMT -5
I would say that it depends on what kind of collectible it is and how universal its appeal is. For vintage robot toys like Popy and Godaikin, I think the value will continue to go up, or at the very least stabilize in the near future. Toy collecting is still a very strong hobby, you can easily tell because it's a huge industry right now. I would also say as someone who has absolutely no idea about vintage car collecting that it may be a very niche hobby, only confined to the really well-off, so there's also the question of demand there, and how many people can actually afford to collect vintage cars nowadays.
With that said you do have a point. Younger collectors may grow up not holding the classic robots with as much reverence as we do, or care much about them at all. It's up to us, then, to preserve what's been passed down to us and kindle the interest in them, show them what's what.
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Post by Coletron on Feb 11, 2018 10:43:04 GMT -5
Classic cars are something I know well. My father-in-law owns a trucking company that transports vintage and exotics all over the USA in enclosed trailers. It's a booming business. He's got 20 rigs that transport 8 cars at a time to the West Coast; then the drivers pick up 8 more and deliver them east. They can't keep up with bookings. And there are several other companies that do the same thing. I worked there for a summer, and attended several high-end auto auctions. And, I've kept up with the market.
Although the value of '56 Chevys has dropped, that doesn't reflect the entire market. Early Corvettes often sell for $500,000+. The same goes for '60s muscle cars, older Porsches and Ferraris. It's because they've remained in the limelight. They're still in production and people of all ages love them.
So I feel robots that remain in the public eye will always be collectable. In the States the Transformers are huge after nearly 35 years because they have a new show every year, and the movies are blockbusters. The same goes for the Power Rangers. It's been a big deal here for 25 years, and my 8 year old has watched every season. I don't see the franchise ending. For me, it's Voltron. I loved it as a kid, and it's just as big as ever. Universal Studios has been working on a movie. I'm sure they'll be more iterations in the future. Voltron has been a pop culture icon since 1984, and I don't see that changing.
5 years ago, I watched the SDCC Voltron panel on YouTube. When they announced that Dreamworks had bought the property, I started buying every high quality piece I could get my hands on. I'm glad I did because prices have risen steadily, and there's no end in sight.
In the collectable car world, rarity drives the price way up. A few years ago, my father-in-law hauled a Ferrari that was the '67 LaMans world champion - it was insured for $23,000,000. On a Corvette, something as odd as the option of a larger gas tank, or a split rear windshield increases the value exponentially. So, hold on to your yellow elbowed Voltes or chrome tailed GoLion.
I've worked in the financial market with senior citizens for 20 years. I do this because they are the segment of the US population that holds most of the wealth. Their homes are paid off and their kids are raised. Many are looking for ways to spend their money and enjoy their savings. If they want something expensive, they buy it. Many pay cash for new cars. It's been this way in America for some time, and I don't think that will change. There will be people who can afford top shelf collectables in 20 or 30 years.
But, I don't care about any of that. My vintage robots are family heirlooms. One of the main reason I collect is because it's a hobby I enjoy with my son. To an 8 year old, they're priceless. When I'm gone, and he displays them in his home, that won't change.
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Post by deculture on Feb 11, 2018 14:11:12 GMT -5
Classic cars are something I know well. My father-in-law owns a trucking company that transports vintage and exotics all over the USA in enclosed trailers. It's a booming business. He's got 20 rigs that transport 8 cars at a time to the West Coast; then the drivers pick up 8 more and deliver them east. They can't keep up with bookings. And there are several other companies that do the same thing. I worked there for a summer, and attended several high-end auto auctions. And, I've kept up with the market. Although the value of '57 Chevys has dropped, that doesn't reflect the entire market. Early Corvettes often sell for $500,000+. The same goes for '60 muscle cars, older Porsches and Ferraris. It's because they've remained in the limelight. They're still in production and people of all ages love them. So I feel robots that remain in the public eye will always be collectable. In the States the Transformers are huge after nearly 35 years because they have a new show every year, and the movies are blockbusters. The same goes for the Power Rangers. It's been a big deal here for 25 years, and my 8 year old has watched every season. I don't see the franchise ending. For me, it's Voltron. I loved it as a kid, and it's just as big as ever. Universal Studios has been working on a movie. I'm sure they'll be more iterations in the future. Voltron has been a pop culture icon since 1984, and I don't see that changing. 5 years ago, I watched the SDCC Voltron panel on YouTube. When they announced that Dreamworks had bought the property, I started buying every high quality piece I could get my hands on. I'm glad I did because prices have risen steadily, and there's no end in sight. In the collectable car world, rarity drives the price way up. A few years ago, my father-in-law hauled a Ferrari that was the '67 LaMans world champion - it was insured for $23,000,000. On a Corvette, something as odd as the option of a larger gas tank, or a split rear windshield increases the value exponentially. So, hold on to your yellow elbowed Voltes or chrome tailed GoLion. I've worked in the financial market with senior citizens for 20 years. I do this because they are the segment of the US population that holds most of the wealth. Their homes are paid off and their kids are raised. Many are looking for ways to spend their money and enjoy their savings. If they want something expensive, they buy it. Many pay cash for new cars. It's been this way in America for some time, and I don't think that will change. There will be people who can afford top shelf collectables in 20 or 30 years. But, I don't care about any of that. My vintage robots are family heirlooms. One of the main reason I collect is because it's a hobby I enjoy with my son. To an 8 year old, they're priceless. When I'm gone, and he displays them in his home, that won't change. Very well said! I think thinking about the value of your vintage collection means that you're thinking about selling it in the long run as well. Nothing wrong with that, but if you're getting into this hobby with an 'investment' mindset, then you'll probably be much better off investing your money into something else. |
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Post by shogunkid on Feb 11, 2018 14:36:57 GMT -5
Yes its interesting discussion... I was thinking this morning, "Why is Voltes V so expensive, they aren't rare at all?". I understand its the best/coolest combiner that Popy produced, but I wouldn't say its the best looking robot. Voltron/Golion -- even Combattra -- looks better to me on the shelf. Heck I see more Voltes V for sale on ebay and yahoo japan than Laserion! Don't get me wrong, I like Voltes V but it's selling for twice what other comparable gokins are going for... has it always been this hot?
Ultimately prices are about "willingness to pay" but somehow scarcity should enter the equation as well and I just don't see that for Voltes V. Any thoughts?
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Post by Coletron on Feb 11, 2018 15:44:02 GMT -5
Yes its interesting discussion... I was thinking this morning, "Why is Voltes V so expensive, they aren't rare at all?". I understand its the best/coolest combiner that Popy produced, but I wouldn't say its the best looking robot. Voltron/Golion -- even Combattra -- looks better to me on the shelf. Heck I see more Voltes V for sale on ebay and yahoo japan than Laserion! Don't get me wrong, I like Voltes V but it's selling for twice what other comparable gokins are going for... has it always been this hot? Ultimately prices are about "willingness to pay" but somehow scarcity should enter the equation as well and I just don't see that for Voltes V. Any thoughts? I'd love a Voltes V. And I hope to own one some day. But 3 or 4 years ago, you could get a nice one for around $1,500 - $1,800. Now, the prices are REDICULOUS. Even though there are lots of them, Voltes is extremely popular. So, demand outweighs supply. I own and love Laserion. And although not many nice examples are available, it just doesn't have the broad appeal of Voltes. If there's not a big market for an item, even if it's rare it won't command a premium. In general, GoDaiKin values have really spiked. In 2014 I bought my 1st - a new Dynaman. I paid $340 for it on etsy. Now, a "new" Dynaman on eBay lists for $1,500+. And the chrome is usually faded. The year I began collecting GoDaiKins, I bought 10 of them. I'm glad I did. It's cool that they're becoming valuable. But my days of the "GoDaiKin of the Month Club" are over. |
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Post by deculture on Feb 11, 2018 20:07:56 GMT -5
Yes its interesting discussion... I was thinking this morning, "Why is Voltes V so expensive, they aren't rare at all?". I understand its the best/coolest combiner that Popy produced, but I wouldn't say its the best looking robot. Voltron/Golion -- even Combattra -- looks better to me on the shelf. Heck I see more Voltes V for sale on ebay and yahoo japan than Laserion! Don't get me wrong, I like Voltes V but it's selling for twice what other comparable gokins are going for... has it always been this hot? Ultimately prices are about "willingness to pay" but somehow scarcity should enter the equation as well and I just don't see that for Voltes V. Any thoughts? Voltes V are actually very rare over here in the Philippines, mostly because of the very rich collectors here hoarding more than a dozen multiple copies each. It's pretty insane. I'm not oone to speak though because I am trying to build up a second one (already have a second Voltes Bomber and Crewzer, just need to source the other three). But yes, Voltes V is one of those really revered combiners. It's really heavy, really well-proportioned (unlike Combattler V which is just all over the place, but part of why I like it) and just have a lot of presence. Then you have the nostalgia factor too, especially for those who grew up with the series. |
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Post by shogunkid on Feb 16, 2018 12:20:39 GMT -5
That's the thing, in the USA we weren't exposed to the Voltes series (as far as I know) but we did get Combattra toys and Marvel's Shogun Warriors comic books featuring Reideen, Combattra, and Dangard Ace. So probably Coletron is right, in the long long run, maybe a minty Voltron/Golion will be more valued by collectors than say, a Voltes V... because of nostalgia.
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Post by mecha-mania on Feb 18, 2018 1:59:10 GMT -5
I am pretty sure vintage super robot collecting will end with our generation. Most youngsters these days have little to no attachments to vintage robots of the 70s and 80s. Sure, there might be a small number who will pick up collecting such robots in the near future (and only because these people have tastes for vintage robots rather than childhood nostalgia), but even then, such numbers are going to be far and wide.
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Post by shogunkid on Feb 18, 2018 16:24:45 GMT -5
Very likely... but then again in Japan collecting seems very strong still... Super Sentai shows... who knows how long they will be produced? How many generations will have that nostalgia and get pulled into collecting chogokin? Hard to guess... I'm sure the trend is downward but we probably have a good 40 years before it kicks the bucket lol
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Post by chogo on Feb 20, 2018 11:11:49 GMT -5
Yeah I think it really depends geographically where you from too. I swear I feel like I’m only super robot collector in my big city.
Vintage stuff is great but honestly the new stuff just looks aesthically pleasing to me and lot of others. I collect lot of toys past
And new stuff just appeals to new generation. Of course there are kids that like older stuff but very rare you see that.
I mean you put old Godaikin next to modern version the average non collector person will most likely pick one that looks pleasing to the eye. If you don’t tell them the age, rarity and worth they mostly wouldn’t care.
I talked younger guy who works at toy shop and he tells me I’m one of very few in SoCal that knows what all his jumbo machinders characters in display are. I also talked to my friend in another collector shop and he tells me I’m only one that will ask about Japanese vintage. He even traded me box Daltanious for loose plastic Marvel Legends!! Lol because he know he could sell Marvel Legends faster than the Godaikin. He still gives me crap jokingly like “Man I traded you box Japanese vintage for plastic loose Marvel figures!”
Personally I love vintage since I grew up with it but I don’t seek it as much as I do New modern releases.
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Post by dooquie on Mar 4, 2018 12:47:00 GMT -5
Just adding my two cents. I think as long as there is a market where we get Transformer and Pacific Rim movies and they do well in the theatre then these pieces will grow in value. With so many potential super robot movies in the works this is a good sign of the collector market in the near future.
I really just started picking up Godaikins about two years ago and they really are still quite affordable. Not counting of course Voltes, Combattra, Daimos, Golion, or Tetsujin. Just recently a brand new Dynaman sold on ebay for $400 and you can pick up most of the other large ones for around the same. The problem with Ebay is there are so many people who have really sub par pieces for insane prices. I do not understand the thought process there. Also I go to quite a few toy shows in my area and the lines are long and it seems there is always a desire for vintage Gokin, even by the younger generation.
My collection will go to my daughter eventually and she will either make a bunch of money selling them or she will curse me for hoarding useless junk!
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Post by shogunkid on Mar 4, 2018 13:04:32 GMT -5
Hi speaking of toy shows Dooquie, is there a good/updated online list of them for the USA?
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Post by dooquie on Mar 4, 2018 13:08:41 GMT -5
I am not sure? I live in Napa and we have three or four within a two hour drive. The best one is in San Jose and actually is this weekend. I went yesterday and got a brand new small Bio Man, Daidenjin, and a bunch of case fresh Machine Robos. If you do find a list I would be interested! The other shows in our area that I go to are in Sacramento, San Leandro, and Santa Rosa. The San Jose show is like three times a year though and is always good. Lots of treasure! Hi speaking of toy shows Dooquie, is there a good/updated online list of them for the USA? |
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Post by shogunkid on Mar 4, 2018 17:21:48 GMT -5
Wow sounds like a great place to be located, I'm in Miami and probably there are some that I never hear about...
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Post by shogunkid on Mar 4, 2018 18:09:50 GMT -5
Wow sounds like a great place to be located, I'm in Miami and maybe there are some here that I never hear about...
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Post by fot on Sept 7, 2018 0:07:30 GMT -5
I am pretty sure vintage super robot collecting will end with our generation. Most youngsters these days have little to no attachments to vintage robots of the 70s and 80s. Sure, there might be a small number who will pick up collecting such robots in the near future (and only because these people have tastes for vintage robots rather than childhood nostalgia), but even then, such numbers are going to be far and wide. I agree.. I kinda look at it like model trains They use to fetch big money, but within a generation. My grandfathers all had collection, they aren't worth much now as few people collect them. I think robots cross a few more generations, but I am willing to bet a large portion of collectors are in there 40's. ( would be cool to do a poll on here and see the age of members) Ten years from now collectors might be going after the bayformers and Netflix voltrons, gobot and godaikins might not appeal to these collectors. |
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Post by xtrlowz75 on Sept 12, 2018 22:47:55 GMT -5
Things come and go, but new versions bring people back. The SOC line, Gundams, Power Rangers, Transformers, and the new Voltron have extended robot collecting at least through the millennial generation. They are a bunch of geeks and gamers just like us. When they buy the newer stuff, and then learn their are older Japanese versions, they want it. And if you go to toy shows, both the new and old stuff walk out the door with a young 20 something year old Google programmer with a $200,000 plus salary. At least here in Cali, and all the way through Japan, and China. I thought we were at a peak a few years ago, but the peek keeps getting higher. I’d say Japanese Robot collecting is solid for another 20-30 years. As those 20 something year olds reach 40, they’ll want to jump back in time just like all of us, to try to land the boxed/complete, mint stuff.
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Post by dakardave on Sept 13, 2018 16:34:47 GMT -5
And if you go to toy shows, both the new and old stuff walk out the door with a young 20 something year old Google programmer with a $200,000 plus salary. At least here in Cali, and all the way through Japan, and China. I thought we were at a peak a few years ago, but the peek keeps getting higher. I’d say Japanese Robot collecting is solid for another 20-30 years. As those 20 something year olds reach 40, they’ll want to jump back in time just like all of us, to try to land the boxed/complete, mint stuff. The problem is not in affording these robots, but in affording a place big enough to house them. Real Estate in the bay area has become crazier than the prices of some of these robots  Without a place to store things, collecting will be very limited indeed - especially as those 20+ year old collectors start families and will need to prioritize room for kids vs room for robots. There's only so much that can be stored in a $1.5 million dollar, 2 bedoom - 800 sq foot condo in the heart of the san francisco peninsula! Think I'm kidding, here's what sold a few months ago: www.mlslistings.com/property/ml81693513/127-greenmeadow-way-palo-alto-ca-94306(one guess, as to where I happen to live  , and what I'm "struggling" with) |
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