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Post by Majinga Z on Nov 4, 2007 16:18:23 GMT -5
The GX-07 is one I regret not picking up. My GX-27 Gaiking stands fine his legs are fairly secure. Takes a bit of effort to push them in. I guess its the luck o' the draw. The Eva's, King Joe, the lighter guy...get the least amount of love from me. Its mostly nostalgia for me. If they don't have that connection with me from when I was a kid...then I won't pick it up.
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Post by demizer on Nov 4, 2007 21:08:23 GMT -5
Youll find that old-school collectors love the SOC.King-Joe.It's well made looks great,transforms.Medicom makes a RAH or more than one but a transformer like the SOC.Popy made one in the 70's or 80's.Ark made a great one.But I personally think this one is the best design.As far as Qual-Cont.no probs interesting antenna mech.But I'll bet collectors who have been at it since the 70's like myself love it.Some of you guys will buy one Getter or Maz after another,not to dis,Getter or Maz I love them both but come on.This version that version and then not appreciate a classic.It's just a matter of taste.But I'll agree with Chen on this one.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 4, 2007 22:30:35 GMT -5
Well, not that they might be bad quality or just crappy engineering, but for ME, the worse SOCs (which only means these SOCs I don't care for) would be:
1) All the Lightans. 2) Battle Fever. 3) Leopaldon. 4) Xabungle (I do have this one - but I still don't like it). 5) Galliar.
I don't agree that the GX-07 is crappy. Actually, I think is pretty cool - but NEVER as cool as the GX-01R... NEVER!!! By the way, this rendition of Mazinger Z (manga version) never had a Scrander... just so you know.
}D
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Post by nikodiablo on Nov 4, 2007 22:42:07 GMT -5
Engineering wise, GX-23 Zambot links pretty high in my SOC dissapointment list. It's not the final combination that dissapointed me, but rather the individual modes that could have been better presented and engineered.
Take a look at Zambo Ace for instance: What more can you ask for? The little bot has great proportion, highly poseable, and has diecast parts. But Bandai could have made the chest wings collapsible to prevent too many part changes. It has like what? Four wings, and no less. And the mooncrest. Bandai could have made the larger one foldable, since I believe it will still fit inside Zambo Ace's chest when the Zambot head is hidden.
Then there's the Zambull. This thing really looks badass with full accessory installed, but it just have too many add-on parts - the drill, the cannon, even the treads. I don't know if making all these parts self contained is really possible (particularly the large treads), but the Big Moth of GX-13 Dancouga has all of these features installed internally, and it's ten SOC numbers earlier.
Finally, the Zambase may need the least part-removal, but I believe with the use of retracting frame/rod, the backpack removal is not even necessary...
One of the feature I really like about the Zambot 3 is the final combination (great proportion and diecast count) and the articulated hands, even with the lack of upper thigh articulation. However, I believe Bandai can make the bot have less part-swapping as has been demonstrated earlier by Dancouga or Combattler (these are practically perfect transformation and combination compared to the Zambot 3).
And yeah - there's the issue with paint chipping due to Zambot buster's pegs being incorrectly sized with the holes - that's why I have the combined Zambot just holding them in its hands.
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Post by fredeliza on Nov 5, 2007 19:51:05 GMT -5
GX-05 (Daikumaryu). I am a big fan of Gaiking and this was a big dissapointment. I chose between 3 boxed ones and all of them have bubbles in their coloring and uneven paintjob. When assembled, wee-gaiking falls apart and can not hold the power packs. My friend who owns a toystore also heard similar complaints from other buyers regarding it's quality. Definately different in it's quality compared to the previous SOC.
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Post by Dragonclaw on Nov 5, 2007 20:51:59 GMT -5
Funny how everybody's tastes are different here...Despite all the negativity I REALLY like Leopardon a lot! For ones I dislike I'd have to go in a different direction and say that despite the old school design I much preffer the Godaikin proportions, so my least favorite is Tetsujin...
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Post by gaiking on Nov 5, 2007 20:59:35 GMT -5
I agree on Leopardan. I saw it at a local comic shop for a good price and decided to take a chance. Now its one of my favorite SOC's...90% diecast and solid as a brick. Plus shooting fists and that thingy on his head...awesome! I don't know why he gets such a bad rap. My least favorite out of my collection...GX-05 Daiku Maryu, simply for its poorly engineered Gaiking mini figure and horns that won't stay on.
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Post by wilson on Nov 5, 2007 21:28:11 GMT -5
i guess everyone has their own reasons for disliking or liking soc. i personally loved gx o5 daiku maryu. gx 05 is the only soc that i have 3 copies of. gx 05, gx 05B and gx 05R. as a kid one of my bested cartoon charactor was Daiku Maryu. i did not care too much about Gaiking. I think Daiku Maryu was the star of that show not Gaiking. i guess its like SDF1 in Macross.
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Post by MechaShiva on Nov 5, 2007 21:50:21 GMT -5
I've given Leopoldan a little more thought:
I think the reason I've had a knee-jerk reaction against it is that I keep comparing it to Combattler, the Mazingers, ect. So in that context, it looks a lot more toy-like and less "anime accurate" (even though that's basically how it looked on the show).
The more I look at it though, the more I think it would fit in perfectly with a shelf of Megazords and similar Sentai-robots and other vintage toys.
Leopoldan really is a different genre from the super-robots and really shouldn't be compared to them.
I still stand by my hatred of GX-01RB, though.
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Post by megatroptimus on Nov 5, 2007 22:07:07 GMT -5
I don't care for all the non-transforming SOC figures, save for Grendizer.
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Post by nickgreat on Nov 5, 2007 22:25:04 GMT -5
Definitely King Joe. I mean, Ultraman? Bandai, why?
I like the Lightan. It is a marked improvement over the original in terms of posability. Besides, it brings back memories when I actually had them.
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Post by sketcher on Nov 5, 2007 22:54:31 GMT -5
Nice, another "Lets bash the bot we don't like!" thread. Meh... If it's not on my shelf, it sucks. [edit] Maybe it's a "Lets bash the bot we know nothing about." thread. Hmm...
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 5, 2007 23:04:52 GMT -5
Hmmm, what's up with the hate for King Joe, or for that matter the Ultras??? I think King Joe rules. I understand that maybe a "GX" designation (used for SOCs) might not have been the right one for this figure, but what if King Joe had been assigned a "GD" designation - like the Chogokin Ultramen, Mecha-Godzilla, and Gigan... or maybe "GE" like the LODM Gaiking. If that would have been the case, would the King Joe haters still HATE it???
I personally think King Joe looks awesome next to the 1975 Mecha-Godzilla II... the "evil" chogokin!!!
}D
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Post by sketcher on Nov 5, 2007 23:38:54 GMT -5
Look, they're crying. Now you've gone and hurt their feelings.
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Post by incognito on Nov 6, 2007 16:48:23 GMT -5
Xabungle does it for me... and i should sell it soon. Anyone need it?
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Post by jwm on Nov 6, 2007 21:57:17 GMT -5
What's the point of this thread? Are you asking technically what is the worst SOC engineered or which SOC you like the least because you just don't like the design or character? Because characters like King Joe, Leopaldon, BFJ and Lightan have huge followings and importance in Japan which is the market these toys were designed for. Bandai has zero interest in what North American buyers want because we're not the majority of buyers who purchase these figures despite the number of toy-sites out there. Excellent point, Chen. I'm surprized by the negativity toward the Eva figures. There is no more poseable, better articulated and more 'lifelike' representation of a cartoon figure in the SOC line. All the Eva's have the same body? Gee. Just like the anime. My least favorites would be Combattra, and the Daikumarku, and both are for QC, or engineering faults. The Combattler barely stands up straight, has poor articulation, and the vehicle modes just look like a disassembled robot. Parts are either too lose (shoulders) or too tight (claws on the Battle Tank) I have the Popy 5-box to compare it with. The GX doesn't hold up well next to the original. My beef on the Daikumaryu is purely over Q/C: mediocre paint, broken parts- All the spiked rings that fit on the knee joints have cracked in two. The tiny clips that hold on the spikes and blades have all broken too. The knees don't support the weight very well, either. I could go on. Too bad, because The Daiku is my all time favorite design. The toy itself is beautiful, It just broke on its own with no help from me. JWM
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Post by zephyranthes on Nov 7, 2007 0:10:36 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the Lightans, Leopaldon, or King Joe. However, I do like the Battle Fever. It's a pretty nice figure with great articulation though it could've used more diecast. I was somewhat disappointed with Combattra. So much more could have been done with this one. Oh well.
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Post by Lanmandragoran on Nov 7, 2007 18:45:10 GMT -5
Excellent point, Chen. I'm surprized by the negativity toward the Eva figures. There is no more poseable, better articulated and more 'lifelike' representation of a cartoon figure in the SOC line. All the Eva's have the same body? Gee. Just like the anime. My least favorites would be Combattra, and the Daikumarku, and both are for QC, or engineering faults. The Combattler barely stands up straight, has poor articulation, and the vehicle modes just look like a disassembled robot. Parts are either too lose (shoulders) or too tight (claws on the Battle Tank) I have the Popy 5-box to compare it with. The GX doesn't hold up well next to the original. My beef on the Daikumaryu is purely over Q/C: mediocre paint, broken parts- All the spiked rings that fit on the knee joints have cracked in two. The tiny clips that hold on the spikes and blades have all broken too. The knees don't support the weight very well, either. I could go on. Too bad, because The Daiku is my all time favorite design. The toy itself is beautiful, It just broke on its own with no help from me. JWM Right on the money JWM, I would just add my 0.02 cents that the little Gaiking that comes with Daikumaryu is very poorly designed and dismantles himself almost immediately when I pick him up from a shelf. Curiously, Daikumaryu mas my first SOC acquisition and at the time I thought " SOCs are cool but not worth the hype, my Yamato Giant Robot is almost as good", and left it among my legions of other figures. Two years later I finally caved in and bought a GX-01R , hehehehehe then i bought all my other 20 SOC models and other 15+ Aoshimas Fewtures CMs and Masterpieces of the life ... and the poor Daiku went to my center display in my living room to be amongst his superior brothers ehehhehehehehhe
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 8, 2007 23:37:24 GMT -5
Yeah, the little Gaiking was a BIG dissapointment. However, I always considered the GX-05 as mainly a SOC rendition of the Daiku-Maryu, not the Gaiking. So, I was not too dissapointed that the little "accessory" robot didn't hold up well.
}D
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Post by Chen on Nov 9, 2007 18:59:33 GMT -5
I agree with JWM probably Com-battler and Daiku Maryu are the "worst" SOC's out there but mainly because Com-battler was Bandai's first combiner robot and had to have some short comings (weak ankles, lack of mobility) and Daiku Maryu which although makes a great display piece can't be fooled around with too much because of the knees giving out (somewhat fixed on GX-05R) and the lack of a stand that could Daiku could be placed on while holding the Miracle Drills would have been very appreciated. Never mind the tiny Gaiking wich is basicaly like a spring loaded trap that goes off everytime you touch it. Still these a great figures and I challenge anyone who can find better representatives of these figures.
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